Real vs Fake OTC

That’s a good point. When I mention otc - there’s no reason to go otc except when it leads to fs.

It’s fun to take a hot girl - dressed very sluttily - to a red lobster - for the looks you’ll get. But it’s not worth it unless you are going to fuck her after.

My recent otc dates have been at the hotel only. I give the girl a choice of eating at the hotel restaurant - before taking her to my room. My last two otc dates went right to the room - which was perfect for me.

For the TUSCL vets I assume OTC implies sex.

For some of the newbs I'm not so sure bc most of them are still thinking like civilians in thinking about wining and dining her and hoping to get lucky - i.e. seems newbs incorrectly look at it as a regular/normal date.

What % of what is written on here, do you believe.

I ONLY use the term OTC when there's sex involved.

I also love to take my stripper to lunch before her shift, or drinks afterwards. I like my CFs, I'll spend any time with them I can, even if there's no sex involved. I don't call this OTC, since as I said, OTC means sex. I never have, and never would, compensate a stripper for "allowing" me to buy her dinner or drinks, and in fact none of my ATFs have ever asked. Which makes me wonder where this SW idea that a stripper should ask for the equivalent cash in VIP time, to get taken to dinner, comes from; but SW's delusional view of these things is a different topic

Sorry when I say OTC I’m not going out to dinner and dropping that stripper back off and home and giving her a hug.

Also, yes some of us are that fucking cool that strippers will fuck us for free. Like I’ve said before, that “free fuck” outside the club likely cost us some serious spending money inside the club. It happens, it’s not common, and (most of us) are telling the truth. I do realize those opportunities are dwindling for me as the older I get, the window for free stripper sex is shrinking.

Example - I’ve had it happen once in the past 3 years, and I spent a lot of money inside the club on a particular stripper, then paid an outrageous amount for an OTC date. Then the OTC gods blessed me and she met me for dinner and drinks (at a chain restaurant - nothing special) about a month later and that’s when I got free sex. I kinda hinted “am I expected to pay for this?” and was told “no” and also “I’m a woman and I have needs too” (meaning she needs fucked too for the dense readers on this board).

I got lucky because this stripper worked in Vegas and I met her back at her hometown in a Midwest state. I think she just wanted to feel normal for once like she was on an average date, and me giving her money would just ruin the fantasy. Her reality was a stripper and part time escort, so going to Olive Garden in a pair of jeans and a sweater was what her “normal” was.

Again - I was lucky, the moons were aligned right that night, or maybe Juice said a little OTC prayer for me that evening, but it happened, and I often think I’m more likely to find a unicorn that shits 4 leaf clovers before I find free stripper sex on a regular basis.

-->"I've certainly had some "free" dinner only kind of OTC that never got to where I wanted it to"

In that case, don't call it OTC -- it's not, at least according to how all of the rest of us use this term, I believe. It's you buying her dinner.

I agree with Subraman. I only call it OTC when sex is involved. I sometimes have lunch with a CF or do normal things with dancers without sex being involved, and I don't call these things OTC.

With all the OTC talk and a comment above about dress at the restaurant, what's typical on the girl's part when OTC? Of course I know it varies from person to person and the situation, but does it lean more towards jeans and sweater or obvious stripper side?

Most of the girls I see otc dress sexy all of the time, if they’re classy sexy I’m cool with it if it’s just slut streetwalker she wouldn’t be with me.

I'm my opinion OTC equals sex. Twice OTC has involved going to dinner and hanging out in a bar but the end result was sex. The rest of the times it was meet at a hotel room. I'm really not seeing the point of dinner, movie and a hug at her doorstep.

If OTC isn't fucking, why bother?

Clearly all the vets only consider OTC sex, I'm wondering more about the newer people that start bragging about free OTC, my first thought is good for them, but my next thought is, wait, are they just calling it OTC when it's just dinner, or just being near them outside the club, on a paid date with no happy ending? Maybe everyone's scoring left and right and I'm the cynical asshole for questioning it.

You can use ITC, but the objective is to get your girl OTC ASAP.

Buying dances is for chumps! Front room makeout session, then only when it is time for your own pants to come down, you invite her to the back room.

After that, fuck her in your own bed.

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I'm old enough to be the grandfather of most dancers, so the concept of "free" OTC is not in my lexicon. However there is a gal who I first met when she was a hot 19 year old stripper who hasn't danced in 3 or 4 years. She's now in her late 20's and has gotten skinny and has 3 or 4 "customers" who are handicapped or chronically ill or very fucked up. One has her piss on him, another is a 42 year old virgin, etc. She & I have maintained contact and we'll go out for coffee occasionally and every couple of months she'll come over to my house and spend the night. Sometimes a bbbj, occasionally FS but, frankly she's not prime any longer and I've been mesmerized by my idea of perfection with my ATF, so I just let it happen when it can. Another way to look at it is, " You get what you pay for."

otc= sex no sex? it's a date.

^^^ Not always true.

On here the term 'OTC' equals sex.

There has been only one stripper that I would occasionally meet for coffee and a sandwich because she wanted a quiet break from her life. No sex, just chat, and she either paid half or sometimes picked up the bill for both of us. There was no belief on either side that it was a date, which worked for both of us.

At the same time, we were meeting regularly for OTC, which also worked for both of us. It was one of the most high-functioning, drama-free relationships I've ever had with a stripper. It ended because she retired from stripping and sex work, and stayed retired.

But yeah, on here OTC means sex.

And I'm cynical enough to suspect that these coffee meets were motivated by her desire to keep me personally engaged and spending money. But, for whatever reason, I don't believe that was the case.

Agree with Ish, MrW... yes, OTC=sex. No, no sex != a date, at least by the traditional connotation of date, where there's romantic overtones, and no business overtones. Like I said, with most of my ATFs, things like lunch before her shift, or dinner/drinks after, are a pretty regular thing; I view this as an extension of "favored regular" privilege, I don't think we were on dates

with stripers the definition of date can get blurry. either way any nice interaction is usually delightful.

OTC usually means a sexual date, but I've used it for non-sexual dates too. Both are "real" OTC....lots of dancers won't see customers OTC for any purpose; they don't date customers let alone have sex with them so I can see why PL's get exited when they do see a dancer outside. Since I find myself dating a dancer at the moment it's not really the same "OTC" as is usually the case in posts here...she's not a "dancer" as such to me; just a hot girl I'm spending time with.

Ongoing FWB is different than OTC, for sure.

I've had meetings OTC that lead to sex and a few that don't but the ones that are simply meets I refer to as meetings.

Some of my situations are a bit different in that I knew the women before they became strippers in a couple is instances. For them I am a breath of fresh air from what their normal lives are dealing with clients.

Similar to Shailynn I know a few strippers that are now in Vegas ( including an ex-girlfriend) that are from the same area of the country he is referencing. The ones without boyfriends when they come home sometimes will contact me to meet up--no money changes hands- and it has lead to some interesting evenings.

And to refer to Cashman's post replace Red Lobster with Bonefish Grill and spot on.