Question for dancers

I’m heterosexual.

I've had many dancers tell me that half of the girls working at the club were bi or bi curious. Many have told me which other dancer they had the hots for.

Many dancers have told me that they are bi, and I've had 3-ways with some dancers who had no hesitation about eating pussy. But maybe they say and do these things because they think it's a turn on for customers.

i think most dancers are bi.

@Papi were you asking for a friend ?

Bi or Lesbo? I guess it’s like a butcher who tires of working the meat all day at work - and goes home and eats tuna...

A lot are bi but many are straight for the most part- as in they only date men and identify as straight but are open minded enough to fool around to entertain a customer or their man wants a 3 way.

I think most dancers are straight but will do anything for a dollar.

My CF and previous CF were both gay. I get along really well with lesbian strippers. My previous CF used to say that she thought being gay was a superpower in the SC as she didn't care much about rejection from guys and it showed in her confidence. I think I can see that same kind of confidence in other lesbian strippers and have been able to spot them that way. However when getting to know my CF really well she had a ton of "man hate" judging guys incredibly harshly and would occasionally be a total ROB to someone she hated. After some time passes I might write up some of what I learned in an article.

In talking to my CF she only knew of a handful of other girls who were openly gay. This is in an ultra high volume club with 20-50 working at a time. However I am deep in the bible belt so some of the gay strippers weren't super open about it, as it could have negative consequences with the other girls.

^Its real easy to get along with lesbians they like the same things we do.

I some times wear my t-shirt that reads "No one knows that I am a lesbian". Some dancers respond with "Me too".

Girl on girl shows in strip clubs are always good. Often its just because the ways the laws are written, nothing prohibits it. Gets everyone loosened up.

Good whether or not they are otherwise lesbians.

Lots of licking and kissing.

MBOT pioneered this, cause the old laws did nothing to prohibit it.

People seeing this in strip clubs other places today?

:) :) :)

SJG

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@twentyfive - That is true, they do like the same thing we do and are willing to discuss it. My CF did a gig where she worked a bachelor party. Not actually doing any stripping just going along with a group of guys who were a bit nerdy to a different strip club and getting them to open up and have a good time. Personally that is not why I get along with them, I tend to find them much more chill.

I've had an awful lot of dancers profess to be bi and/or lesbian, and judging by their performances in VIP I wouldn't doubt it. I think the majority of dancers are either bi or bi-curious from what I've experienced. Hell even the supposed straight ones often do a great act and as long as she can sell it I'm gonna buy it!

"... @Papi were you asking for a friend ..."

Nah - just bi-curious

:)

How many clubs still feature girl on girl action as part of a dancer's set? It does influence what happens when they are out sitting on laps.

SJG

@Papi I thought you might be asking for SJG, you got him so excited,he doesn’t know whether to use his right or his left hand.

Ha Ha Ha there 25.

The old San Francisco way, girl on girl action on stage, then girl's going out to sit on laps. The girl on girl action really heats up the laps sitting.

Other places in the country seeing this today?

Usually the laws have been written in such a way that girl on girl action is not seen as sex and so not prohibited.

SJG

"Usually the laws have been written in such a way that girl on girl action is not seen as sex and so not prohibited."

That is incorrect It is seen as sex and the reason that no laws are broken and it is not deemed illegal is because the actual sex acts are simulated.

Girl on girl action is often in porno videos, but I just FF past it. Not important to me.

But f2f, totally different matter, shows that women control the erotic, a show of power, and intense turn on.

SJG

Lopaw, with all due respect, you are incorrect.

https://www.amazon.com/Bottom-Feeders-Free-Love-Hard/dp/0385512996

As it explains, the laws were Victorian Era, they could not imagine lesbian sex. So while a man and a woman having sex would have gotten MBOT shut down, the book explains, "lesbians could get up on stage and lick each other senseless." And so this, with open tongue kissing, is what made things go.

In South Bay, yes it is simulated, no real contact. But San Francisco, at least in times past, totally different, and having a totally different effect on the audience interaction part of the show.

SJG

@SJG- I am not incorrect. Although true lesbian acts on stage at a stripclub are not as overtly illegal as girl/boy stuff, it is still illegal and would be grounds for legal action and a possible shutting down of the club. The fact that it is simulated is the difference. Technically there could be simulated hetero stuff done onstage that would also be legal, but that is beyond rare to see at a club.

^actually, sjg knows everything. You are incorrect lopaw.

Sarcasm.

@chessmaster :)

Lopaw, Jim and Artie actually got Rose Bird to overturn all of these red light abatement laws which could be used to close clubs. No other laws in SF.

San Francisco, girl on girl not simulated.

Other places likely have their own newer laws, not really constitutionally tested. South Bay, simulated girl on girl sex only, if even that. Where you are, I do not know. But those laws not fought out on constitutional grounds in court, not yet.

What happened on stage in SF was not simulated. What then happened when the girls went out to sit on laps was not simulated either. It was fantastic.

Today, San Francisco no longer competitive, near monopoly, no reason to take risks.

But the on stage girl on girl action was not taking risks and would not be taking risk today.

Dianne Feinstein tried to get Jim and Artie convicted, but she failed.

Very little in SF would be taking real risks today.

Girl on girl DATY on stage or penetration girl on girl, foreign objects, okay. So why is it tamed down? Because even though legal, it creates an impression about what goes on in back rooms.

Girl in short dress standing on sidewalk is not illegal. But it creates and impression and draws LE attention.

Used to be SF clubs pushed the envelope. To stop them, LE would have to get a jury conviction in a well defended criminal trial.

Now, near monopoly, they don't need to. They stop way short of where enforceable law would come into play.

SJG

@SJG- what local law enforcement chooses to pursue is the biggest factor. Plenty of clubs are UUHM, especially in certain areas here in LA county. What goes on in the back rooms is well known yet it continues unabated. Why? Local LE is either paid off or chooses to look the other way. Same with any overtly illegal sexual contact in clubs, including girl/girl stuff.

Girl on girl sex acts on stage is not 'overtly illegal' in CA. Maybe some localities have their own ordinances, but these have not been constitutionally tested.

What has changed is that SF clubs used to push the limit. Now they do not because they have booths and back rooms, and higher front room mileage, even when legal, does create an impression of illegality in back rooms.

But in old days people like Jim and Artie LOVED TAUNTING LE AND DIANNE FEINSTEIN.

Girl on girl action on stage is booring, for me, on video. But when it is live and one of the girls will soon be on my lap, it is an intense turn on.

SJG

It’s off topic - but when I read SJG’s comment about going FF past girl on girl scenes - I immediately thought - he’s more interested in cock than pussy. Not a huge surprise -

SJG prefers the G on G scenes - Goat on Goat -

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"question for dancers'

Did any dancers actually answer...probably too busy having lesbian sex in the dressing room.

A few weeks ago a dancer told me that she was "queer." I've never heard someone self identify with that exact word and I was curious as to what it currently means in the LBGT community. She was still very hot and got me hard and excited in the dances she provided.

@grand1511- lots of LGBT people, especially young ones, identify as queer. A big part of it is taking back a derisive word and making it our own, therefore stripping away the stigma and negativity associated with the word, at least when used within the community.

Thanks lopaw....I guess I "aged" myself with that question!

I think that community identifies as LGBTQ now.

Since when do you care ab my opinion. Shut up and give the dancer more money!

licking pussy... maybe i’m a lesbian trapped in a man’s body... ;)

LE is at our favorite club often. They sit around and act like a customer but they are easy to spot. I can usually tell buy the way they carry themselves,and they are just about the only one in the place drinking water.

Most dancers are bi or straight, I feel. But they aren't going to come out and say it until you've known them for a while. Any girls who are overly excited to just yell about announcing her sexuality is a liar looking for attention. I usually find out how othera swing when I ask them to do a double dance with a customer and myself.

Warning, sarcasm ahead...

I've never understood guys that have a sex change and then declare they were lesbians.

I had a dancer once comment on what a great pussy another dancer had. Then she added "And she can do amazing things with a strap-on too"

a) Outright lesbians seem to be in the minority. But they seem to have the happiest.

b) maybe 30-40% not sure

c) Hm, I suppose I’ve done double dances before. But never hooked up for the fun of it. Seen dancers use the same restroom stall before but I’m pretty sure that’s coke related lol

d) Straight I suppose. But hey “never say never”

^^ nicespice - welcome to TUSCL ! Good to have an Austin dancer on board.

@rogertex I appreciate the warm welcome. :)

My ATF is bi, leaning towards the queer side. She’s always maintained that that she thinks most girls, strippers or not, are at least bi-curious. Not all, of course, but the number of appraising looks she gets from girls in public has her convinced. And she’s sure as hell not shy about appraising herself.

Welcome nicespice. I read your profile. Based on your profile information - I think you’d be very much in demand in the clubs up north.

Lopaw wrote, "lots of LGBT people, especially young ones, identify as queer. A big part of it is taking back a derisive word and making it our own, therefore stripping away the stigma and negativity associated with the word, at least when used within the community."

I agree with this fully, and I see it all the time. Though more I think among women than among men. And I certainly am not going to do that.

I know that lots of strip club dancers get their sex and sex acts with men, when the men are paying, like in strip clubs and OTC. And then their outside partners are women.

Now, LegendsatLegends and BJ99, at the strip clubs you've been to, is girl and girl action a big part of it?

My suspicion is that no it is not.

But when Jim and Artie started their theater in San Francisco, girl on girl stage sets were a big big part of it.

And so typically a girl would conclude her stage set by inviting another girl on stage for girl on girl action.

AND THIS WAS NOT SIMULATED!

There really were no rules, certainly no laws.

The CA state laws against live sex shows were from the Victorian Era, and they defined sex as only between a man and a woman. They never envisioned same sex shows.

So, as explained, "Two lesbians could lick each other silly" and the law could do nothing.

https://www.amazon.com/Bottom-Feeders-Free-Love-Hard/dp/038542261X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1529170823&sr=8-2&keywords=john+hubner+bottom+feeders&dpID=51l9nQOQdAL&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch

So Jim and Artie, having started with porno movies, they were well accustomed to such. And these guys lived to thumb their noses at the authorities.

So as they moved to live shows, girl on girl action was a standard component. Sometimes open tongue kissing, often more.

Fisting and dildos have been common, as recently as the 90's.

When a girl is doing girl kissing on stage, and especially open tongue kissing, it makes a big difference in how things are likely to go when she and the other girl each go out to sit on laps.

And no, there have not been any new state laws passed about strip clubs since. We all would have heard about if there had been.

There is that state law against prostitution, PC-647b. And there are lots of rules tied to alcohol licenses. But no non-alcohol new laws about strip clubs for California.

San Francisco is City and County joined into one. There are no San Francisco ordinances passed about strip clubs, maybe just zoning for opening new ones.

For the other counties and municipalities, maybe they do have ordinances. Santa Clara County has all sorts of very restrictive things.

But consider, most of these city and county ordinances could be found to be unconstitutional. Just like an earlier generation of ordinances, they violate the 1st Amendment.

video: https://diva.sfsu.edu/collections/sfbatv/bundles/231103

If brave people did not challenge these kinds of ordinances, then strip clubs and lots of other things would be illegal everywhere.

About girl on girl action. In porno movies I just FF past it. Not interested. I think pretty girls should be getting fucked.

But FF, and when one of the girls is likely to be next on my lap, girl on girl action is an extreme turn on. And I have found myself unable to refrain from commenting to the girl about this. It is a show of girl power, showing that they control the erotic.

Is it done like this in San Francisco today? Hard to say, I would say that there is no legal obstacle. It does though, crank up the front room action, and when you have booths and back rooms it would create the impression that lines must be getting crossed there. The San Francisco strip club scene has already collapsed. It is no longer a competitive metro.

SJG

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Commentary:

Papi asked questions for dancers yet so many I didn't know were dancers answered!

I wonder if the lesbian dancers do extras with the male-custies - I a$$ume they would

@papi - The few I have gotten to know were super clean dancers. Lower mileage than the club average for sure.

One of the girls at my current favorite club told me all the girls there were bi. But then again, that club is small, where the total number of different strippers I have met is about 10, 15 tops.