OT: I no longer read news about Trump - do you?
Lone_Wolf
Arizona
After so many years of being inundated with news about the wacky things Trump and his cohorts are up to, I rarely, if ever, read articles about it. I'll see the headlines but never read the articles anymore. Tweets, collusion, affairs..I no longer have an interest.
I have to wonder if this type of burnout is a nationwide phenomena. At this point, I wouldn't know if the presidency was on brink of collapse.
Anybody feeling this effect?
I have to wonder if this type of burnout is a nationwide phenomena. At this point, I wouldn't know if the presidency was on brink of collapse.
Anybody feeling this effect?
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That is making everything and everyone tune out. Just like the collsusion... every day MSN or CNN says they got the smoking gun... then nothing happens. Just like the "stormy" thing is kind of running its course and we are all tired of hearing about it one way or another.
They are all deflecting from real issues. I mean the N. Korea summit is a huge thing. Yet people keep talking about collusion. The jobs report, ag bill, etc. Are all huge deals... yet media isn't talking about those they are trying to get a "smoking" gun type thing for collusion, stormy, etc. They are making it a circus.
So the long short of it...I too am checking out on all the BS.
Mueller and Rosenstein are lifelong Republicans. Nobody here knows what Mueller knows. Manafort was Trump's campaign manager is likely going to jail for witness tampering. Cohen, Trump's long-time lawyer will almost certainly be indicted. Trump says that he can pardon himself. Let's see what happens here folks. Right?
Totally disagree with the OP. I try to stay informed by reading the major news outlets like NY Times and Wash Post. Yes their editorial boards have a strong liberal bent; but you can always get the facts there.
I’ve been trying to read articles online. I find it a bit less inflammatory. I find that I can read - and filter out the crazy -
Also - I read CNN and FoxNews online. I steer away from opinion pieces and try to keep on the factual information.
I read NJ.com - to get a bit of the local information. But I avoid opinion pieces there too.
If there’s too much Trump nuttiness - I go directly to pornhub or rosebuttboard - to decompress!
Those two publications are also known to "jump the gun" and say things that are facts that are proven later not to be.
If people want true info on stuff it is mainly the smaller publications that cant lean a certain way or they will lose subscriptions. The Washington Post and NY Times could slant one way or another and wouldn't lose subscriptions... but a smaller publication would lose if they showed any favortism one way or another.
The manfort thing... all pre-presidental (that we know so far). Cohen same thing. Trump comes out and says the "pardon" thing to get a rise out of the media because his counsel came out days before and said he wouldn't do it. Like I stated it is a fucking circus and they are all playing into Trumps huge ego.
Then if you try to watch the daily briefing.... what a mess. Reporters asking the same questions over and over. The Press Sec. saying she isnt going to comment on outside counsel issues or another departments issues and refers everyone to other statements made by said departments... etc. Just a joke!!
All of our media... printed, TV, internet, etc. All seems to want a "gotcha" moment. Instead of just reporting facts. They try to direct questions to fit their agenda (all sides). They want "breaking" coverage... so they go and be the "first" and get facts wrong or speculate facts and get it wrong. They dont wait to see what happens or let things play out. They report, jump to conclusions or opinions, and try to base it off little facts and then it spreads like wild fire and it is out there people saying it is gospel. again this is all sides of any issue. OUr present day media is a fucking joke. Again for the third time.... All sides!!!
Yes Manafort and Cohen might have no link to Trump. But let's wait and see.
Similarly, I am starting to tire of Fox News too. While they do share my political leanings, I find that there biases sometimes lead them to the same powder puff approach as the others I mentioned above.
I read the WSJ (right leaning) and IBD (left leaning) mostly now, each leaning in a particular direction but also providing more balance and comprehensive coverage than most of the crap online. CNN is not as bad as most of the other left leaning outlets, so sometimes I'll read that too.
You know what this reminds me of? Back in 2015 Huff Post announced that they weren't going to cover Trump in the Politics section anymore. So for a few months, his campaign antics were relegated to the Entertainment section of their website. At the time, I, too, did not take him seriously. In fact, years ago, I remember saying that I hope Trump runs for office again some day because he's really funny.
Well, it turns out the joke was on us.
I still think his syntax and personal aggression are very funny, and I read his tweets once in a while. But I'm really just bored with all this Russia stuff. It's not all that interesting to me, but it's the only thing the networks want to talk about, night after night.
I'm mostly interested in politics because I'm interested in ideology formation - what people believe, whom they support, and why. Trump is therefore much less interesting than even the average voter because he doesn't seem to believe in much of anything. He's almost purely transactional.
As for the networks, it depends on the show and the anchor in question. All three major cable news outlets have some pretty great on-air talent. But all three have unfortunately become much less interesting in the era of Trump.
I had to stop reading after that insightful comment.
He's a politician. To call out one specifically is showing a major bias.
Every time the news reports something about Trump, it’s been overhyped and the topics have grown to be desensitized to our ears. It’s like the boy who cries “wolf”, pretty soon the people tune it out.
I don’t care what your political leanings are, Trump just letting those know how things really are to the general public is progressing society in the right direction. Wverybody in the media has stood on a platform and declared Trump’s mode of apperendi is wrong, yet the politicians have been doing it wrong, corruptly for many decades. Now we have to listen to the media tell us how a non-career politician (Trump) is doing things wrong? Smh....
The scary part though is that it is not just Trump, it is also people like Paul Ryan. And then its just that some people in this country actually did vote for him. That is really scary.
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Welp... according to Rasmussen, Trump's approval rating is around 48%. So are you saying that half the country is therefore not hard-working law-abiding Americans? Surely a person can be decent and hard-working, etc., regardless of their opinion on Trump, right? In fact, I'm sure if you look hard, you'll find plenty of upstanding all-American types, with Mom and Apple pie and the Star Spangled Banner coming out of their asses who nonetheless dislike Trump. And I'm sure you'll also find lots of marginal malcontent types who actually like Trump quite a bit.
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"I try to stray from politics as much as possible... Trump just letting those know how things really are to the general public is progressing society in the right direction."
This is my favorite tactic of the blatant partisan. First they say they're not interested in politics and that they try to avoid talking about it... but, oh, by the way, they're huge (Insert Candidate's Name Here) supporters. The subtext is that they believe in everything that's right and good and true, and they don't like playing silly political games, and that's why they support (Insert Candidate's Name Here), while everyone else must be just a shrill political hack because they don't support (Insert Candidate's Name Here). Nice.
Next...
"yet the politicians have been doing it wrong, corruptly for many decades. Now we have to listen to the media tell us how a non-career politician (Trump) is doing things wrong?"
This last line of reasoning is absolutely the biggest bullshit of all. So basically, he's implying that all politicians are corrupt except for Donald Trump. They're not merely incompetent, or feckless, or simply wrong, or hamstrung by the separation of powers... they're actually corrupt. As though Trump is the very first American politician in history to ever espouse the views that Trump currently does. That's just retarded.
So if people are not willing to let democracy work, and there is a rebellion, remember that I'll be the one passing out the long barrel rifled 12 gauges and the slug ammo.
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@Flagooner: I know you're busy over there at your nursing home playing bridge and discussing your prostate issues and hip fractures. But maybe you can take a look at this Washington Post article that keeps an updated list of Trump false or misleading claims (i.e. lies). He lies at the rate of approximately 6.5 times per day.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact…
Washington Post is one of the premier newspapers in the country, second only to the NY Times in the number Pulizer Prize winners. As I said above, Trump is a liar and bullshitter, and listening to him directly or reading his Tweets is a waste of time.
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^ @dumbass (yes that's you LittleMember)
I didn't say he doesn't lie. Of course he does. Arguing that he does is one of the more MOTO comments I've read since I posted one yesterday.
My point was that all politicians do. Well, all except the libtards, right?
What are they really passing behind closed doors?
words to live life by.
Oh sure, but didn't that happen like 10 years ago? Plus if I remember correctly, the bailouts were covered to death by the media at the time. Every media outlet covered every congressional vote in breathless anticipation. And in fact, it was an on-air "rant" against the bailouts by a media personality, Rick Santelli on CNBC, that is given partial credit for launching the Tea Party movement. So I would hardly say they passed the bailouts behind closed doors or that the media ignored it. Unless there's been another bailout since then that we don't know about. Which begs the question of how *you* know about it LOL
On the other hand, I enjoyed rickdugan losing his shit in response to twentyfive. That stuff is brilliant!
It is almost like rickdugan trolls himself! ;)
BTW Fuck you Ricki Boi ;)
Which is to say, it's not actually a debate.
Do you avoid them because you can't convince others to convert to your stubborn position?
Still, when it's a bunch of people online who mostly don't know each other, it's less of a debate and more people waiting to post their favorite links.
First she said that trump was booed.... and stated it was a "confirmed" source.
Yet later she had to delete that tweet and tell the truth about how it was a person in the crowd that was booed.
Again... reporting things as "FACTS" before finding out what really happened.
This is just an example from yesterday. If you dig you will find more and more from all of the media outlets. Hence the reason why people are shutting out and tuning out on a lot of this crap.
I find some of your comments especially smug and obnoxious, @Ismael.
So he is bucking the established system? Causing waves?
You know that is why people voted for him. It isnt your traditional dog and pony show. Lots of lip service with no action.
Again.... we will see what comes out of all of this. The NK summit is going to be interesting and see if he can get something done there. Plus if he can re-negotiate a better Iran deal.
But yet he is too much of an egomaniac. Look at his tweets saying a "red wave".... it hasnt happen yet. But he just likes to hear himself speak. But i think the reason why he tweeted that was because all you heard in the media and from other elected officials... is how everything was slipping away from the GOP and how they will lose in a "landslide". yet that didn't happen. Again... media running a narrative.
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I'm trying my best not to write a novel. There are studies showing that Trump has overwhelming support from white men (I'm both white and male). Other studies show a correlation b/w Trump support and lack of education. And other studies that show that voters who identify authoritarian leaders support Trump. My gut instinct is that Trump is a backlash against Obama and the changing demographics of the country.
I don't know that much about NK. I get the feeling that NK will never disarm their nukes and that we are giving him legitimacy with the summit. Keeping an open mind.
The blue wave is evaporating and the Dems only have a 60/40 chance right now of taking back the House. There an enormous amount at stake in the midterms.
Enjoy your posts @crsm.
How about raising the bar a little and don't write anything. That would be an audience pleaser.
Try again.
Yes, but like others I read news as opposed to passively watch it so I can skim or speed read through it. I'm also tired of the "Russian investigation & fixation" the lamestream (lol) media has.
I didn't initially support President Trump but he's grown on me more and more since he's been elected. I feel more like the regular guy has a voice and maybe just maybe he'll be a junkyard dog in there and shake things up in Washington. I keep up on him for that reason.
How was Ishmael being smug or obnoxious? I think he basically hit the nail on the head. Lots of people seem to converge on TUSCL to shout their political opinions at each other, but we uniformly fail to convince anyone of anything.
This is actually the only place where I talk about politics online (by contrast, I talk about it all the fucking time to whoever will listen in real life). And I blame SJG for this whole thing. I originally came here with a specific question about strip clubs, and he immediately started shitting on libertarianism, totally unprompted and unprovoked LOL. It took me a little while to figure out that that's his gimmick. And I've been coming here talking about this stuff ever since.
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Ishmael could simply ignore the thread; instead he goes out of his way to state that folks on an online forum are not well-informed and simply there to post their favorite link. Obnoxious beyond anything @Flag is capable of. Pretentious, too!! But what kind of guy comes up with username based on some 19th century novelist?
Here's one of my favorite links studying the correlation b/w lack of education and Trump support:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/educ…
I think that goes back to the class of people who feel like they are left behind or at least feel that may, particularly less educated white men. So far the marching orders have been re-tool, get educated, learn some new valuable skills, adapt, and even relocate your family. And that group likely includes me (, even if that’s uncomfortable or not even really accurate). But turning back the clock isn’t really possible. President Trump pays to that base, IMO.
I get more reliable news from PBS and places like BBC than I ever get from CNN or Fox or NBC. Those Chanel’s miss more important stories with their constant carping over the latest shitfest from Washington DC.
@25: we don't get BBC but I've heard it's a good source for news.
I don't know... his comment seemed relevant at the time. This thread is basically about how the OP has tuned out news about Trump. (And I can hardly blame him - sometimes consuming news about Trump feels like drinking from a firehose.) Ishmael responded by saying that he tunes out most online political discussions, period. It seemed to make sense. He wasn't talking specifically about you. The fact is that there ARE a lot of uninformed people here.
Anyway, I remember reading that 538 article years ago, and I've read about this phenomenon elsewhere, too. I'll re-read it later. It's an interesting pattern, but I think it fails to tell the whole story. Yes, uneducated people were more likely to support Trump. But this is part of a pattern that has been taking shape since probably the 70s. Young people are increasingly more and more likely to vote Democrat, with each passing decade. And each generation is now more highly educated than the last. Hence, educated people vote Democrat. So I think it's really a story about age.
Of course, Trump accelerated this process, thanks to his "regular guy" grammar and syntax, and the fact that he pushes a luddite position on trade (which anyone who has ever taken an introductory macroeconomics class in college knows is ridiculous and counterproductive), and panders to a nakedly racist view on immigration (which is going to trouble the younger generation due to the diversity of post-1965 America, in which they were raised).
As for the news, I'm not sure that you'll want to go trumpeting the Times, Post, and Journal... after all, don't John Tierney, George Will, and Stephen Moore write for these august publications? And aren't they "Randoids"? LOL.
As long as you agree about the incontrovertible fact that lack of education is correlated to Trump support.
I'll think about your claim that the trend is really about voter age. What you say about racist views and diversity is spot-on.
Well, my point is that all three of them are libertarians (of varying degrees of intellectual consistency, partisanship, bias, and obnoxiousness). And therefore, according to RandomMember, everything they say must be water from a poisoned well. I happen to like all three of them. But probably because they validate my preconceived biases.
This is a bigger number than you think that is the voting base. There are many non union contractors, electricians, plumbers, laborers, machinists, etc. Then you have your real estate sales people, your appraisers, mortgage professionals, bankers, insurance agents, etc. Then you have accountants, lawyers, paralegals, etc.
Many banks are "branches" which are independently owned but yet have the big name... same with fast food and chain restauraunts... etc. Each Mc. D's is independently owned... they just have the franchise name. So the employees are in the "small business" classification. Which means under 50 employees the employer doesnt need to provide insurance. So the executives of these places are in that group.
You see many people got "fucked over" by the ACA and have to get health insurance on their own. Yes some of these places of work will "kick back" some premium or all of it. But if you are not in a huge group you are FUCKED and dont get the rates like big groups. (which actually trump and some Reps are trying to pass or did for smaller groups to get benefits) that wasn't covered by the media too well... LOL
Like someone stated before with Trump and his "base"... some feel they finally have a voice.
Remember the ACA put in regulations that effected everyone but mainly benefited 10% of the nation....ie: the 30,000,000 "uninsured".
Anyways... if you can tell what group i fall into you now know... LOL But we could go off on the ACA alot. But there are good and bad things with that bill... and i will leave it at that. So a repel isn't 100% a good thing.... but a remodel/revamping is very much needed.
So, I'm sticking with my original premise.
Don't overstate the case. If you make $20k per year at McDonald's, then your insurance should be practically free through the federal exchange, assuming you filled out the form correctly and chose a Silver Plan. We don't do ourselves any favors by exaggerating. Yes, there are lots of problems with Obamacare, but many of the complaints that people have are actually caused by the third party payer system, and would be just as bad under a "Medicare-for-all" system or a system of private health insurance. But I agree that Obamacare is generally a bad thing.
^I am talking about the executives, managers, owners, etc... not the cashiers at these places. So people pulling in $60K or more on a single income... then add in a possible spouse's income.... you are talking upper middle class.
Anyway, Obama certainly did lie repeatedly about his healthcare plan. And even when he didn't lie, he was often simply mistaken or exagerating about its benefits and capabilities. But he's gone now and so is the individual mandate. I really wish they would get rid of the Employer Mandate next.
Guilty as charged.