How common is it for PLs not to pay dancers?
theDirkDiggler
Illinois
One of the nice things about TUSCL is that you get a (supposedly) valid picture of what really goes on in strip clubs. You might have thought certain things did or didn't happen, but when you get something close to a consensus, you get a bit of a paradigm shift from before.
For instance, i used to think that the PL was out of luck if the dancer or dance counter over counted. That the PL would be "forced" to pay or that "authorities" would get involved. Generally just not worth the hassle in a your word against theirs kind of deal.
And yet on two separate occasions at two different clubs (with dance counters mind you), one girl wanted to make sure i had money after i had done 3 dances (and asked me to show it to her) and another girl wanted to get paid after i had done 5 dances, even though i still wanted to continue. It was as if guys do the strip club equivalent of a dine and dash occasionally, or even more than occasionally. How does this happen, and how often does it happen?
My guess is that maybe they say they don't have the cash and have to go to the ATM or even go to their car and then they bolt? Or maybe they say they have to go to the bathroom right away for whatever reason and sneak out? I don't know. I like to think of myself as being on the up and up and never would entertain something like this, but apparently you get all kinds of characters at strip clubs.
For instance, i used to think that the PL was out of luck if the dancer or dance counter over counted. That the PL would be "forced" to pay or that "authorities" would get involved. Generally just not worth the hassle in a your word against theirs kind of deal.
And yet on two separate occasions at two different clubs (with dance counters mind you), one girl wanted to make sure i had money after i had done 3 dances (and asked me to show it to her) and another girl wanted to get paid after i had done 5 dances, even though i still wanted to continue. It was as if guys do the strip club equivalent of a dine and dash occasionally, or even more than occasionally. How does this happen, and how often does it happen?
My guess is that maybe they say they don't have the cash and have to go to the ATM or even go to their car and then they bolt? Or maybe they say they have to go to the bathroom right away for whatever reason and sneak out? I don't know. I like to think of myself as being on the up and up and never would entertain something like this, but apparently you get all kinds of characters at strip clubs.
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I actually felt sorry for her because it was a slow night--so call me a chump but I walked over even though I really was not paying attention to her dance and laid 10.00 to replace what the guy took.
Second instance--my ex when she was dancing and at the time we were technically not back together but talking called me because she was running late to meet me......and this is how I found out she was dancing but the guy had stiffed her with counterfeit money and the club didn't notice it till the next day. It was on her to make it right or the club was going to take it out of her pay the next night she worked.
You can imagine how well that interaction went between her and the guy that paid in her in funny money.
As for the clubs response and part of what happened if you wonder sometimes why I have the attitude I do in how they treat the dancers this might explain why.
I wonder if guys know that some of the responsibility is on the dancer - and they will get more dances than they can afford - and then see if they can talk the dancer down in price? It’s shitty too. But I’m guessing guys might be able to sell it by saying - take $80 for the 5 dances (that should cost $100) - or Have the custy bounced?
I think it’s wrong either way. If a dancer provides a good dance - she’s earned her money - and I’m happy to pay.
I’ve said before, when getting a dance, between songs I always ask or announce the song count with my dancer. Like “okay this is song 2 right? Now we are on song 3 right?” Or I’ll say “I want to buy $100 in dances, let me know when my time is up.” Often a dancer will throw an extra song or two in if she knows you’re giving her a set amount of money and management doesn’t care about song counts. If I am with a familiar dancer I just let her go (and not worry about song count) and it works out fine.
If custies ripping-off dancers was very common (at least 1x/shift) I would assume prepayment would be the norm in most clubs.
I can def understand a dancer getting a bit antsy if she has done a string of dances w/o getting any $$$ then and I don't mind and understand if she wants me to pay her for the dances we've already done - at times I've had a dancer after a string of dances ask me after we've done a few "you got the $$$ to pay for these dances right?" and I've told her I can pay her for the ones we've done already and at times they'll say yes to pay them for the ones we've done but usually we just keep going after I had offered to pay b/f we were done and then just pay her at the end.
I don't like paying upfront bc for one I usually don't know how many dances I'm gonna get, but also upfront payment is often a tactic used by ROBs, and if a dancer is that uptight about being paid upfront then gives me the vibe she may be too-uptight to show me a good time - the best I'll do is show her I have the $$$ but I won't pay upfront.
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Lap and leave?
Fuck and flee?
Cum and go?
Make like a stripper and take off?
I guess I could have just screwed her over but I like the club and the girl and didnt want to be that guy that fucked over xyz one night. And didnt want to change clubs over a few hundred bucks. So i think i made the right decision.
This has happened to me, i think its more of a race thing, i think. Whenever she says it, i end the dance immeditaley, and pay even if i still have 3/4 of the song left.
In both cases, the guy left the club at great velocity. Don't be that guy.
In a perverse way it makes sense that a guy looking to get his jollies for free would attempt such a move - the likely worst case would be getting tossed and banned from the club, *maybe* being roughed up in the process. But most clubs wouldn't sweat a dancer being stiffed enough to call in police for theft of services.
There does seem to be a pattern that new dancers are the ones I've heard about getting cheated, which is probably a combination of two factors: the more experienced dancers are more likely to ask for (or to see) the cash up front if dealing with an unknown customer; and the newbies are less likely to shy away from any warning signs, or simple intuition, that a custy might be a runner.
In one case, I saw a female customer go back for multiple dances, and at the end, didn't have any money to pay. She was there with another girl who was trying to gain sympathy from the other customers saying that her friend had no way of knowing that she was expected to pay for a dance in the couch room... Everyone looked at her like, uh, yeah, nice try.
I have heard of the aftermath of it happening a few other times, too.
In the club where I saw it first-hand, management would tell the dancers to get their money up front when they started, but the dancers almost never would. It gave the club cover for when the dancers complained that a guy didn't pay, though. In the most unfortunate cases, the stripper was still expected to pay the club its cut for the dances (along the lines of $5 per)
The clubs I have been visiting recently are split on whether the club requires prepayment to a VIP host for the least expensive dances and whether the dancers don't accept payment until after the couch dances are over. All of them require pre-payment to the club for a timed room, though. One of the clubs requires prepayment to a host for at least one dance, but continuing and paying the dancer at the end for the additional songs is an option.
In other words if she wants to see the money after 3 or 5 dances, it could be that she can only afford to pay $15 or $25 to the club in case of any payment mishap or it's a peak time/shift and she can't afford to both not be paid and miss out on other opportunities.
I think it depends on when I'm asked. Being asked before I even sit down for the lap dance carries the implication that I'm a cheap bastard that can't pay. I don't like that, and I especially don't like that in a club where I'm a regular.
On the other hand, being asked after getting 5-6 dances (which is easily $200+ around here) and shooting for more? Totally fair, and I'm a lot less likely to be annoyed by that - especially since I've been in a situation where I double-checked and found I was a $20 or two short of what I -thought- I had in my bankroll.
If she asks for money up front, you could get ROBed... just saying.
ditto.
if that’s not to her approval then i’ll give her one half.
iff i’m really horny i’ll pay her all up front.
usually that works. butt on the other hand i’ve by ripped off.
that sucks.
Another night, very recently, having a lapper and the girl got called to the stage. I didn't have all I owed and told her I had to hit the ATM. She went on stage, I went to the ATM, got cash, sat back where I was when she first approached me and watched her on stage. She finished her stage and headed straight for the dressing room, came back out 10-15 minutes late, and sat down with some other guy!!! About 30-40 minutes later, she was standing in the back with that "who am I gonna ask next" look so I approached her with what I owed. She seemed at first confused... I'm wondering if she really just forgot about it, or forgot who I was, or just blew off what she assume was screwed over for $60 and ignored me staying at the club?