Why did the PL pay Nina $2400?
Lone_Wolf
Arizona
Okay, going deep on TUSCL.
In a recent topic Nina shared that some PL gave her $2400 to pay off her tuition. She gave him nothing in return but a peck on the cheek and a sweet smile. My question is why did the PL do this?
https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=…
This question really isn't about Nina's gift though. It is about all the stories I hear about PL's giving crazy amounts of money, cars, or even houses to dancers and getting nothing in return.
Do they think the dancer will fall in love with them? Do they think the dancer will fuck them out of some obligation? If no OTC is involved they are already getting the best the dancer has to offer ITC.
I believe that BS like these large gifts have the opposite effect on what the PL is wanting. The dancer sees them more as an idiot than even normal PL's.
In a recent topic Nina shared that some PL gave her $2400 to pay off her tuition. She gave him nothing in return but a peck on the cheek and a sweet smile. My question is why did the PL do this?
https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=…
This question really isn't about Nina's gift though. It is about all the stories I hear about PL's giving crazy amounts of money, cars, or even houses to dancers and getting nothing in return.
Do they think the dancer will fall in love with them? Do they think the dancer will fuck them out of some obligation? If no OTC is involved they are already getting the best the dancer has to offer ITC.
I believe that BS like these large gifts have the opposite effect on what the PL is wanting. The dancer sees them more as an idiot than even normal PL's.
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She may have gotten a gift of monetary value, but I doubt by any means it’s what she claims. Especially with NSA.
My mom used to do that. She recalls being a bind when she was very young, a single mom, and waitressing. Sometimes a customer would leave an insane huge tip (like $100 or more) on top of what should have been a modest tip. It especially moved her when she was really in need. Remembering that, she did it a few times throughout her life for other waitresses she felt her younger self identified with and was in a position to help her out. She did that (a tip of benji or two) more than a few times in the last five years of her life.
Maybe it's the same with Nina's PL or maybe not.
It's all relative. I'm sure for some of these guys, $2,400 is $24 or $240. I am very well aware that there are some patrons where that $2,400 could have been payment towards affording their children's tuition or something. In general, I would think a dancer would see that patron as weak and easy to manipulate since she now has his wallet and then some
When a sexy beauty has gotten a pl all worked up - and he’s totally enamored with her - there have been lots of crazier things done.
I’m sure he “thought” that he might be able to get more - but maybe he was just totally into her (not actually in her - but just into her)...
It was my second night knowing him (I think). He had recently returned from a business trip where he gambled at the casino and made money, so he had some extra money to spend. He was a consultant and traveled a lot for work, and gambled if he did. He explained something about him banning himself from Detroit's 3 main casinos for life because he gambled there too much. I don't know how one does this but that's how he explained it to me.
It was a champagne room club. The first night, we were back there maybe 3 hours? Second night was three. But as I recall, and I recall correctly, I upsold a bottle of champagne, so naturally I think I'm getting paid X more amount of money per hour. But the VIP guy screwed me over and only charged the guy the basic fee so that he (VIP host) could keep my upsold earnings. I was pissed and drunk because CHAMPAGNE all night, so I started crying and telling my guy about how now it was supposed to be for the rest of my tuition. He asked me what it was, I told him. He said he was going to his car to get his checkbook. Prior to this, we had talked for hours about his marriage woes, and some aspects of my life including school, which started in like a week so I needed to pay the rest of my tuition and pick out classes.
Me, the VIP hosts, and my friend were waiting in a booth upstairs where the guy said he'd meet me after getting his checkbook. It took him a while so I worried that he might not return. But he did, I was so happy. My two friends were waiting for me so we could finally leave. They were impressed. The VIP hosts were impressed. My manager was impressed, although the check could've been cash for the club but VIP host screwed me over. But we upsold champagne (thanks to me) so it was a good night for many of the staff.
The following Monday I cashed my check at my unversity.
This was a few years ago when I worked at a champagne room club.
And that's what happened.
I don't find it acceptable to start a new thread just to speculate on what she did not say, or to try and force her to say more.
SJG
Guys,. you don't even have to be a stripper or even do anything for a person...For example when I was in my 20's I was a nurse on an orthopedic wing of a hospital. I took care of a lady for about a week and while I did we talked and she found I was in school. When she was getting discharged, she slipped a check into my backpack to help with school...I think it was $300 at the time...We aren't supposed to accept tips....but I took it home and put it in my account for books.
My guy had some White Knight Syndrome going on, I'm sure.
SJG
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Nina messaged the.PL on FB. They started communicating and Nina reliazed he was sweet and kind. Everything she ever wanted in a man.
Eventually Nina meets him in a hotel and they have passionate gfe sex. Afterwards they lay in each other's arms spooning.
Suddenly the alarm goes off waking the PL from his white night dream. He realizes he was actually spooning with his checkbook missing one check.
A beautiful love story.
I know guys here don't like to believe it happens, but I have seen it personally to Camgirls(much worse value), to know that it does. It was a 100k tk tip ($10k) for just a reaction. Not nearly that amount and far from everyday, but some of them post and screencap the instances (whether you want to believe it or not)
I get that it was decision, and maybe you could've milked him for more, or maybe he really gave you bc he enjoyed your company, but it came off as too much of asking for a hand out hustle. My personal most hated one. But hey it worked for you, so good job, I suppose.
Nina I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, but this doesn’t really sound like something to be proud of.
ref: Haruki Marukami's Kafka on the Shore.
I think these huge outlays have the opposite effect of what the PL's are looking for. Instead of winning favor with a dancer, they probably create kind of awkwardness driving the relationship further into the hustle.
An observation of Nina's story, which I would assume to be true throughout the biz, is that she did not heap accolades on to the PL for the gift or express any type of a desire to deepen the relationship (i.e. what a wonderful man, I hope he comes in again soon). No, it was just some PL giving a crazy amount of cash that will be forever un-reciprocated.
I understand that money is relative and the 2400 could have been pocket lint to the PL but my point is, nothing is free, and he gave 2400 and received the same affection 200 would have gotten him.
If I won the lotto, no doubt I would be spreading cash the exact same way. No judgement.
I agree. Ayn Rand's "The Husband I Bought" lamented this kind of dynamic.
“Thanks dude!” is perfectly acceptable and appropriate.
We're talking about a guy struggling to overcome a gambling addiction. That's a pretty big dopamine issue. At least when he saw the check clear at Nina's university, he had an inkling that something happened to it that was better than simply further enriching a casino owner. Waking up the next morning and realizing that you helped someone you liked is a lot better than many of the alternatives.
The Great Gatsby and Francisco D'Anconia are examples of this.
I've watched buddies burn through thousands of dollars trying to win over non-strippers (but obvious gold diggers / scam artists). I've had long, detailed debates clearly explaining how and why they are being taken for a ride. And the response I get is "Yeah... but maybe..."
I could employ bar charts, sky writers, and sock puppets, and it wouldn't change the answer or level of delusion.
In a strip club, it's just that much worse. Because any stripper who is making money is also good at manipulation. This shouldn't surprise or offend anyone.
Strip clubs aren't really a haven of egalitarianism. The strippers are working to manipulate us into giving them as much money as possible, and we're trying to manipulate them into providing as much contact as possible.
Why do some guys do it? I think its simply because it makes them feel good they are helping someone else out. It could be a Karma thing or just feeling sorry for someone in apparent need. He could have been RIL angling for something more but gambling she would take the next action but he did not want to establish himself as a typical p4p pl. Who knows, we would have to ask him.
I only did that once years ago with an established 2 year relationship to help my once ATF to finish school. I thought it might demonstrate my commitment to be there as her go-to main guy as I was RIL. I also ended up regretting it as she showed little appreciation for my assistance and in fact starting hustling for more and was seeing me less. This was like a splash of cold water on my face and a realization I was just another pl to hustle. It wasnt long after that we both moved on with me the wiser. Not my proudest moment but I learned a hard lesson early on which did not cost me too much from my bankroll.
I’m not inclined to be critical of Nina’s actions or those of the PL in this case. Neither one of them harmed the other.
The most cogent way I have heard it expressed is that with women, any positive action is worth one point. Pay off her college? One point. Put your arm around her waist and offer to buy her a shot? One point.
The inverse applies as well. If your one point is $2400, your $1 starts to not really feel like appreciation. You can tell her how much you love her boobies, though, or her outfit, and that's worth the other $2399 and resets the whole thing away from how much you spent yesterday or today.
@UprightCitizen: "I only did that once years ago with an established 2 year relationship to help my once ATF to finish school. I thought it might demonstrate my commitment to be there as her go-to main guy as I was RIL. I also ended up regretting it as she showed little appreciation for my assistance and in fact starting hustling for more and was seeing me less. This was like a splash of cold water on my face and a realization I was just another pl to hustle. It wasnt long after that we both moved on with me the wiser. Not my proudest moment but I learned a hard lesson early on which did not cost me too much from my bankroll."
^^So many reasons to not give big gifts and here's two of them, never have and never will, there's just no upside. In recent thread someone posted he's gotten good return in his estimation on small gifts and that makes sense - but in the end cash is king, pay for dances not for affection.
@LoneWolf: "I think these huge outlays have the opposite effect of what the PL's are looking for. Instead of winning favor with a dancer, they probably create kind of awkwardness driving the relationship further into the hustle."
^^THIS. Good advice in 2 simple sentences.
^^This could be one of those TUSCL bylines that used to flash at top of home page - Where'd those go? They were funny.
Bottom of the page.
So what if Nina had passed out in the CR and the PL started playing with pussy while she was out? I do not think its okay because its a strip club and nina is a stripper. I pretty sure both of these predatory con jobs happen in strip clubs and one is still expected to act with deceny regardless of the enviroment.
So it’s ok for the stripper to be predatory but if the pl is a predator how would you spin that.
"So what if Nina had passed out in the CR and the PL started playing with pussy while she was out?"
My guy wasn't passed out though. He knew my situation (or at least chose to believe it, and got the confirmation that I was telling the truth when the check cleared). He made a conscious decision to write me that check.
But while we're on the topic, I did fall asleep with him in the champagne room several weeks after, once we knew each other better. We were on like the 4th hour. I fell asleep with my head in his lap within the first 15 mins of the last hour, stayed asleep in his lap for the duration of that hour, and was awoken by a VIP host and a manager knocking on the door once the hour was complete. They were chuckling about it - there were cameras in the room so I was fine - and my guy didn't seem to mind at all, he kinda thought it was funny, too.
Lol.
"My read is that he was trying to buy karma and there was someone in his life like Nina who he wished he had done better by, or he wished there had been."
He actually told me pretty early on that I reminded him of his high school sweetheart who he admittedly wished he had ended up with instead of his wife. His marriage had a lot of issues and he was constantly texting me about it and I didn't mind at all. I was happy to talk with him through his ups and downs. Who knows? Maybe I saved his marriage. His wife ended up finding out my name, stalking me on social media, etc. Maybe I nudged her into stepping her game up and being grateful for her husband who did everything for her and made sure she never had to work.
It actually just sounds like the bartender clearly overserved the customer here, knew it, and wanted to get him safely home in a cab to avoid the legal repercussions of overserving.
That would be horrific, and rape, and not even remotely equivalent to Nina's situation. Your hypothetical removes all of Nina's ability to give consent or act on free will. Whereas Nina's mark made a conscious decision to pay for her schooling.
I think he got manipulated, but he made the choice on his own and apparently without regret (well... not yet). She didn't slug him with a sock full of pennies and take the money out of his wallet. He offered and she accepted.
Keep in mind that we see more than little moral sketchiness when it comes to PL attitudes and behaviors. This ranges from the relatively benign-yet-creepy practice of creating a cum puddle in your pants without warning the dancer, to manipulating dancers into OTC while they're desperate for cash (for whatever reason). Also, there was a recent thread that asked if PLs would be willing to take advantage (though not via assault) of a dancer if she was sloppy drunk, and there were quite a few guys who answered "depends on the girl...".
Huh.
And I don't necessarily find any of the above behavior from dancers or PLs to be admirable. But it's what I expect 100% from a strip club, because everyone is being manipulative to some degree or another.
The point is that if you're a guy who is easily manipulated and can't afford it, then you should probably stay at home with a jar of Vaseline and internet porn.
Also, this discussion is a follow up to a previous discussion where the ladies were invited to relate stories that were out of the norm. Most of us enjoy when the strippers chime in generally and enjoy those kind of stories. Nina is a big girl who chooses to participate here and needs no defense but I’m not sure we are showing the better side of ourselves if we speculate and get too deep into analyzing this story as a morality play. I don’t think Nina or any other stripper who posts here gets a free pass in general but I also don’t think she did anything wrong here nor do I think any wrong should be read between the lines.
> I think he got manipulated, but he made the choice on his own and apparently without regret (well... not yet). She didn't slug him with a sock full of pennies and take the money out of his wallet. He offered and she accepted.
I don't buy it that he was manipulated. He left, had a while to think about it and in the days that followed, the opportunity to stop payment on the check before it was cashed.
Strip clubs and car dealerships have a similar dynamic for me. As soon as I step off the lot, I know whether or not I like the car.
On one hand, I could just text him to see how he is doing and make sure he is doing ok with his marriage. I could also try to entice him to come see me, but I would feel bad if his marriage has gotten better since his wife made him stop seeing me. However, seeing me would probably be a breath of fresh air from his ever-stale marriage. Or, I could just do nothing.
Side note - I re-read this discussiom and damn, there sure were a lot of people thinking it was crazy for me as a stripper to accept money from a customer. Lmao.
For what it's worth, I agree with ppwh's last comment on this.
Twentyfive, that is true. I know enough about his marriage to know that he is probably really bored with his life. Since he wrote me the check on our second day knowing each other, I found out his name right away and he found out mine once it cleared after I paid the rest of my tuition. So we knew each other on a real-name, real life basis quite quickly. I think he would be happy to hear from me, I just don't want to get him in trouble with his wife.
^Thank you, Flagooner. I try to be as transparent as possible with regard to things relating to this industry as they pertain to me, so that you guys get the most unfiltered, authentic version of Nina as I appear on this forum and in the strip club world.