In the TUSCL glossary, mileage is: "Just how much shit you can get away with."
That definition is fine for those who hadn't seen the term before and just needed something to get started. But it leaves a lot of room for interpretation. I'm not advocating for a new definition, but for the diehards at TUSCL what does mileage mean to you?
^ interesting that DATY isn't in the codes unless that is 004 Gyno Show (wtf). Or may average PLs just too selfish and completely forget about that? And how the hell is 002 Cream Pie (BBFSCIP) below the generic 001 FS? Unless they're talking about something completely different. Oh and nothing Greek or even Russian is on that list. I'll stick with the TUSCL glossary which isn't even on the main page anymore.
It means that the 17city/25highway of my Mustang is not that great for fuel mileage.
I'm still not clear about the difference between mileage and contact. Maybe something like tactics and strategy? And is there really much of a difference between UHM and VHM? Are we getting to the point of just throwing extras into mileage in regular lap dances (i'm assuming that's what makes a club UHM)?
To me it's anything beyond a one-way contact lap dance but not an extra or more. For examples an OTP simulated BJ or stick shifting is pretty good mileage. Sucking on tits is average mileage. Low mileage is her barely touching your dick OTP for like a second. High would be her rubbing on your balls and cock OTP for a while. Her intentionally trying to make you LDL is high mileage.
Okay, Dominic77. That's a good start. It's dated, but there's something there to talk about.
So on the list are all actions of some type. Do the acts define the mileage?
^ LDK not LDL
Where'd all those replies come from? You guys type fast, or...
Ha ha. I agree it's a start. I figured someone has to do this calculus and Chili Palmer and Subraman I think always talked about local boards like Zbone and alt.sex.strip-clubs, which although worldwide on USENET, seemed to cover the San Fran scene more than anything. I can't think we're the first guys to start talking about mileage (in 2018 and only on Tuscl).
Another thing, is the dispater codes are ordinal. So, do extras start at 004 and lower or do they start at 005?
I don't really know. for me high mileage is being able to touch side of hips, outside of thighs, maybe her covered butt, and bare stomach. And even that's rare. We don't get upper body mileage here really at all. So things like boob pay, kitty play are really just theoretical to me since it seems (IME) to never happen here. At least not for a casual guy with less that $100 to spend a couple times a year.
So I'm just as curious as you.
I like Urbanductionary.
Using base ball as a sexual metaphor
Going up to bat: Attempting Bullpen: Foreplay 1st base: French kissing 2nd base: Above the waist 3rd base: Below the waist Home Run: Sex Grand Slam: Four times in twelve hours Foul Ball: Ass sex Strike out: Not getting it up Line Drive: One night stand 10 Run Rule: Finishing on your own Pop fly: Stealing virginity Bunt: Pre-mature ejaculation Gapper: Easy lay Bases loaded: Threesome Third base coach: The person who's filmming Stealing bases: Rape (rape is bad) Double/Triple play: Multiple Orgasms Cup: condom Steroids: Birth control Error: No Orgasm Broken Bat: Broken dick Extra Innings: Four times in a row Bench Warmer: Peeping Tom Bat boy: Fluffer Field: Heartshaped bed Dugout: Back seat of a car
I don't know. Very high mileage would probably be nude full contact (so everything, ass, titty, kitty) and heavy grinding (LDK quality) which is available in several clubs near me or somewhat near me and from almost every dancer (at least the contact, the grinding not so much). Ultra high mileage would probably be that and nipple sucking, FIV (clit and fingerbanging), and maybe some DATY during a lap dance which is also available in those same clubs, but not from anywhere near every dancer and usually requires some tipping. Otherwise just high contact or what i consider moderate contact would be titties and ass (nude or topless) although some of these moderate contact places or even low contact clubs (no ass or titty grabbing) also have heavy grinding.
Wallanon: I think the demarcation points are:
*Where at HER discretion is: she places your hands where she wants and/or she moves then away from things you cannot touch
**Where at YOUR discretion is obvious; plus there are no time limits to how much and how often you can touch.
Mileage if it's meant to be used metaphorically is literally how far you can go, i guess. So baseball it is. But ironically first base (Frenching) is way less common that home plate (fucking unless you don't count covered fucking as fucking; some don't) as well as second (fingering) and third (fellatio). That's with the 4-F interpretation of baseball which seems from a guy's point of view.
Is it common for some dancers to "let me rub all over her body" in a no-contact club? You'd think it would be restrictive than that. Like some touching (since she's already breaking club rules or city ordinances) but not touch everywhere.
Is it pretty common for her to be "all in" like that?
I think this is an extremely important topic. We really should have some sort of regulated list for this stuff. I say that because I was reading a review the other day and a reviewer referred to a Vegas club as very low mileage. Which surprised me because I always considered Vegas clubs relatively good in terms of mileage. Like I told the reviewer yeah they won't pull your dick out and suck you until you cum in their mouth. But you can still grab all the ass and tits you want, have some feeding and OTP pussy rubbing. Which is lot more than you get at some clubs, and those clubs are what I consider low mileage. Like SF topless clubs for instance.
So what qualifies as low mileage? Medium mileage? High/Ultra High mileage?
Me personal definition was: Ultra high mileage means sex, or some activity that makes a man cum. Like a BJ, HJ, TitFuck, Assjob, etc. I'd also put DATY in this category.
Good mileage includes things ass grabbing, boob grabbing, DFK, feeding, etc. You can do all this but the girls aren't trying to get you off. I know DFK is hard to come by but I still can't bring myself to put it in HM territory.
Low mileage is getting your hand moved away anytime you try to touch ass or boobs. Basically minimal contact.
That's my take on it. What do you guys think?
From what I gather on here, it sounds like some extras clubs, where you can get anything in the vip, are lower mileage on dances than the club I work at. So, guys here who prefer the ldk experince, would prolly be happier w a club like the one I work at, while some guys would just be annoyed.
TFP bj, hj and titfuck are extras. Id say stickshifting, dfk, feeding, daty as uhm. Once your dick is out its an extra.
The term could also be relative. Guys from more liberal sc areas may consider it low mileage if they arent sucking tits or getting pussy play no matter how much other contact(T&A) is allowed.
Chessmaster so extras don't figure into mileage? I always thought it did. Like someone says ultra high mileage I assume something that's gonna cause a release.
So if we consider mileage not counting extras, UHM is what?
Never mind, you already clarified. Makes sense. You learn something new everyday.
@chessmaster said: “Id say stickshifting, dfk, feeding, daty as uhm”
I agree with this based on Ohio clubs. @TFP, The rare times it got stick shifting or feeding I felt like I was stealing city hall, esp. the feeding.
My home place actually allows no touching by the guys....A fact I completely forget about because I normally sit on the far side of the place and the bouncer is near sighted. Also something I didn't immediately realize...I was startled because I accidentally sat on the side near him and he totally went off on me "Sir!!!! Hands off the girl!" I was like holy shit...I mean on the other side they're straddling me, buying my face in their tits letting me suck on them (the bar is a pastie and pasties are off every time), let me grab their tits while facing away from me, and often slide underwear to the side and let me feel her pussy.
So I am quite spoiled, though nothing I consider "extras" going on, I am usually quite happy that the girls are breaking nearly every rule for me...I tip the manager who walks around $30 - 50 a night usually since she has to admonish them more than a couple times...
Probably would be best to take it OTC.
As I know the idea of 'mileage' came from early Internet jargon. People would talk about things and then say YMMV ( Your Mileage May Vary ). And it was just a polite way of comming across as non-absolute. Rather like, In My Humble Opinion and For What It Is Worth, or As I Know.
Where I think this originated was with the EPA gas mileage ratings. When manufacturers reported on them they also had to add the disclaimer, "your mileage may vary".
So I think it just got adapted to this sexual realm. I heard it more with the LA Hostess Clubs. As those tend to offer quite good GFE in the couches and televisions room. But there are limits it is not supposed to go over. Those places are more GFE, but less below the waste than Strip Clubs. So people would post about mileage. It is more of a civilian way of talking about it, where physicality starts with basic things, and then goes to DFKing. And then on some of the sites some of the girls have their own GFE escort adds, as they do this after they leave the club. One said on her ad, "GFE For All". So GFE is a big part of it, and that makes it like the old civilian dating rules, and talk about getting to 'bases'.
SJG
was thinking about the topic and figured there was a thread. nothing covers everything, but here's my take:
tit sucking adds .4 dfk adds .5
(designed so the highest mileage is 6.9)
Mileage = how physically interactive your time with a stripper is. Ranging on a scale of 0 for a air dance to a 10 for fs in vip.
In a club mileage to me is when I blow a load in a condom in one of three female orifaces. Everything else is expensive foreplay
"(designed so the highest mileage is 6.9)"
unofficially the DS (dichter scale).
Well if mileage is actually how far you can travel on a given amount of fuel Then we can define it as how much sexual activity can you get spending a given amount of money.
high mileage is nicer than low mileage. that’s why I drive a bad ass Prius. it gets better mileage than my ol’ Cadillac. that’s also why I go to tijuana instead of salt lake city.
agreed 25. so it's either a contact scale or a mileage scale for any given amount of money. what it's 'worth' varies by the individual.
probably better for club/dancer comparisons e.g., i can get DS:3 for $40 here or for $25 on the other side of town. for $100 cadillick gave me 2 and purrius gave me 5.
The term ‘mileage’ has no use without context. Sticking with the car theme, a Prius absolutely is high mileage in any context. Get FS or a blower? That’s always high mileage. But, a hybrid Toyota Higlander? Not absolutely high mileage, but add some context and it’s high mileage for an 8 seat SUV weighing 6k pounds or whatever they weigh. Ordinary mileage at Follies may have been FIV while sitting at a bar top table. In DC? That would be UHM. Mileage is a very useful term, but it’s relative and just needs context of location, club, day or night, etc. I like the term. Not sure I see much value in debating an absolute metric across all clubs, if that’s what we’re trying to do.
you're right jimmy. no biggie. just enjoying the ac and a buzz on a sunday. actual mileage formula:
I had to find this thread, I went to some clubs known as high mileage in the area based on Tuscl reviews and it matched my experience.
I went to different clubs in the area known low mileage based on many/or almost every Tuscl review and it was just as good of an experience or better with multiple dancers!
To me, low mileage is basically no contact, one-way contact, having hands moved away. Basically you sitting on your hands thinking you might get kicked out the club if you accidentally touched the dancer.
high mileage is two way contact, rubbing on her inner thighs, her stick shifting, grinding on your dick w/ your pants down but over your underwear, anything that makes you cum or is intended to, and maybe even her pussy lips grinding against the back of your bare cock outside of your underwear. when dancers uphold/create a limit that is based on the presence of cameras or bouncers, it is noteworthy that low mileage places use the same reason, and yet here you are - the customer - with your shift off, and pants
since low mileage is always a risk, I don't think I can really make it a "relative for the area" kind of thing. but I can see that with high mileage. actual sex services as extras (obviously how us customers almost all define extras) are almost always a mystery and maybe really deserve a category of their own, with some cognizance we can reduce the randomness by nearly 90%, but I find it separate from the mileage discussion and expectation.
Because "mileage" is a term with a wide range of meanings and outcomes, I like adding an adjective to better indicate what kind of experience it was:
"Basic Mileage" would be two-way touching (as apposed to lap dance where custy cannot touch dancer) "Some Mileage" might be closed mouth kissing or something else out-of-the-ordinary, but not really sexual "Decent Mileage" would be stuff like nipple sucking and below-the-waist over-the-clothing touching "High Mileage" could indicate hand-to-genital contact (either way or both ways) "Very High Mileage" probably indicates mouth-to-genital contact "Ultimate Mileage" is FS "Fantasy Ultimate Mileage" would be BBFSCIP
The last places I've been to for BBFSCIP were 3 places near Detroit. Ultimate mileage is rare elsewhere in the US.
Tbh all of this is just way too much thinking for me. Either I enjoy a girl or I don't, by which I mean either she's entertaining enough barside that I'm happy to contribute a modest amount to her wellbeing or she entertaining me horizontally for a much more significant payment. When I find a real gem it's some of both.
As I always say, I don't criticize how other grown men spend their time and money. If the hunt for ITC LD mileage is a game that some of you enjoy then go yee forth and all that. It's just not for me. Maybe I'm getting old and cranky, lol.
"What is Mileage?"
If it's in a strip club and there's a lot of it, then mileage is pretty great.
"Tbh all of this is just way too much thinking for me."
Tagline. Lol
Dispater codes from alt.sex.strip-clubs (USENET) as posted on bone (before Tuscl).
001 S.I. Aka FS. The position of this special should make it's meaning obvious, when seen relative to other specials. 002 Cream Pie Time to get that tongue extension. 003 B.J. I think we all know what this one is. 004 Gyno Show Is there a doctor in the house? 005 H.J. Hand version. 006 Clit Massage Like 004, but on the surface only. 007 Magic Fingers To be a 007 agent, must be 'wandering' at the customers discretion [above the waist]. 008 Feeding Has to be nipples in the mouth. 009 Stick Shifting What gear am I in now? Must be overdrive ;-) 010 Involuntary 007 This is where the dancer takes your hands and places them at her discretion. 011 Stevie Wonder See glossary. 012 Spring Cleaning Dancers give you a bath with her tongue. Mere nibbling doesn't count here. 013 Forward Grind This is in the Missionary Position; also included here is when the dancer saws the 'unit' with one leg. 014 Ass Grind Your standard SC grind. 015 Basic Nibbling Tame but I still like it. 016 Extra Peek Only counts as a special when the private dance is supposed to be topless. 017 Shoulder Massage Sam's won't even allow these. Sheez.
(source: archive.zbone.com )