Morality and Strippers

Sure fishsicks what are you going to do about it. Let her handle it she’s just running a game, prolly told the other guy same about you.

Does this dancer have a boyfriend irl? If she does - that’s his responsibility - and I’d stay out of it.

If she doesn’t have a boyfriend - hopefully she has a big brother.

I’m a customer - not her bodyguard. I have a real job, and otc sex doesn’t pay my bills.

There are job related issues with all types of employment - and I don’t involve her in mine.

lol....right I often wonder about the stories about the abusive boyfriend and drug use etc....sometimes i think it is all fantasy....

I'd stay out of it entirely. Not my biz. No drama, no problems.

Stay out of it is obviously the “right” answer. But if this had happened with the DS I know that I probably would have tried to help her.

whats your end goal? do you want to put yourself in a situation where you might have to throw a right hook? better yet, get booked into jail. you probably will get more ass after you tell the hoes you spent a few nights at the big house, but you can also end up dropping the soap...not worth it dude

As long as she is accepting money from this guy its her own problem. She can say no way whenever he shows up at the club and get the bouncers to get him to back off. Doesnt sound like thats happening. God knows what she has promised him and how much $$$ she has fleeced from this guy.

Not even close to your problem unless she is now your GF or you are best friends. Even then she should stop leading this guy on before next steps taken.

This is an RIL problem, best to not be an RIL.

Unless you going to marry this girl, stay out of it. No point of eating lead from a nutcase. People don’t throw right hooks anymore.

Youre trying to be captain save-a-ho. If she wants nothing to do with him(or his money) she will kick him to the curb. If he persists and continues stalking her, she will go to the police or someone else. Until she comes to you in desperate need of saving, leave it be.

I'm not sure what type of club she works in but how did he get past the bouncers to peek in the VIP curtains?

The problem in these types of situations you have no idea what the real situation is between her and the stalker--what has she told him---what promises might have been made, etc.

I admit if a guy popped the VIP curtains on me even at my age I'd be tempted to confront him when my time was up. Chances are every other guy he peeked in on before he found her and you would have chimed in as well and the club management would have probably tossed him at that point......but again it leads back to my original statement of what is the real deal between him and your ATF

IDK what any of you guys think, but no strippers that have been doing that job for even a short time would tell that story to a PL, this is more of fishy boys trolling. As soon as these girls start stripping the first thing that gets told to them by managers is to let the club handle this type of situation.

As others have said, you don't know if any of this story is true. Dancers make up stories to get sympathy and money from PLs. I heard a lot of abusive boyfriend stories from my ATF, and I'm sure a lot of it was untrue.

Morality? I'm not sure where that comes in. You won't find it in strippers.

If you try to physically interfere, you could get hurt or killed. Or you could hurt or kill someone unjustifiably and wind up in jail.

This is what occurred at BT's in Dearborn 5 or 6 years ago. A customer leaves the club at 2AM and observes a guy hitting a dancer in the parking lot. The customer comes to her rescue. The guy and the dancer turn on the customer and attack him. He runs. The guy pulls out a pistol and shoots at him a couple times. The customer runs around the club and escapes without being hit. The moral of the story: Don't stick your neck out for a stripper.

First of all, if a guy peeks in on my VIP, the manager is hearing about it, in strong terms, immediately. This has nothing to do with her and her stalker -- it has to do with him violating my fucking airspace.

Beyond that, if he does nothing to me, I'm happy to give her advice if and only if she asks for it.

@jackslash- as far as morality, I guess I’m asking what is the morally right thing to do for the customer that is told the story.

Let me fill in a couple of the blanks.

She doesn’t have a boyfriend.

Uprightcitizen is right, she hasn’t refused his money. The last time they did a half hour VIP, he made her so upset that she essentially did nothing in the VIP. He asked for a refund, and she is basically told him to kick rocks. He didn’t try for the refund that much after that.

As men we all have a ancient primal drive to rescue women. It is hard to avoid because for some of us it is an immensely satisfying feeling. But since this girl is not begging for help you have to stay out of it.

PaulDrake - I agree regarding our primal drive to rescue a damsel in distress. That’s a very good point, and it’s a good reason why it can be difficult to stop and evaluate what might happen if defending a stripper in distress goes wrong.

Someone needs to make a rescue fantasy experience brothel.

“People don’t throw right hooks anymore”

This is definitely true.

Let me throw in one more loop to the story. Say that the customer who was told the story has been developing feelings for the dancer over the past month.

TL, dr.....

I’m guessing this chick could be looking for a black knight!

So then tell her to ditch this guy so she can reel you in when she tells you how much she needs the money $$ he used to give her. This is the next step of the long hustle.

Larry fisherman

I’d recommend that customer buy a hammer. Each time he feels that desire - to either be with the stripper - or to help the stripper - he should use his new hammer to pound one finger very hard. Over time - he will develop a Pavlovian association of intense immediate pain with thoughts of his stripper.

This is a reconditioned response - and it’s effective here. The customer could get beaten up - or shot - when attempting to rescue the dancer. A sore, swollen thumb is much easier to explain to a spouse, and much less life threatening too.

fish, She has drawn you into her vortex big time. Escape. Or at least don't get drawn in any further.

-->"But since this girl is not begging for help you have to stay out of it."

I would add to that: "and even if she was begging for help, that help should be limited to the form of advice -- for example, to use the security in the club for what it's there for, cease contact with him, etc." Downright reckless (especially considering you can't trust her real motives) to do anything more than

Where I live there is a thing called a criminal trespass warning. It is below a restraining order and super easy to get. Basically it is just a formal warning to someone that you don't want them coming near you and if they do it is trespassing.

The customer listened to Cashman’s advice, got a hammer and pounded his thumb hard. He then slapped himself in the face. He knows it’s a terrible idea to try to get involved with a stripper, he’s been in the game long enough. He snaps out of it, he drops his feelings for the dancer.

To put the finishing touches to the story the customer essentially did the second option, he did nothing, stayed out of it, and that’s what he planned to do going forward. He then thought about it overnight and wondered if that was the right thing to do morally. Stripper or not, he considers her a friend and wonders if he should do more. He then did what taxi driver suggested and told her to get a restraining order.

There, that’s it! He did his moral obligation. He should feel good right?

He still feels if he considers her a friend, than he should help her more than he has done. He is considering telling stalker in a nice way to back off. Of course if the stalker does something to him, then hands are getting thrown. But at this point the customer is not looking for a fight.

Customer is an idiot.

Dude Dude Dude...

Stop yourself before you end up With the Fishes.

Here's the deal (As told by them), They all have abusive BFs. All have abusive childhoods. All have been molested or otherwise abused. All have a deadbeat Baby Daddy. All have scum of the earth friends.

Choose to believe what parts you wish, but NEVER EVER swallow, hook line and sinker, the whole tale. But if you do, it really isn't your problem now is it. That's when you separate the PL into just plain ole Pathetic and a Loser. Surely you know this, being an upstanding member of this fine institution.

Congrats Customer (larryfisherman) on your temporary escape from RIL-land and temporary insanity-land. Try to not buy another admission ticket to those gets-you-nowhere fantasy lands. Not saying it's easy, just saying your sanity, wallet, and your physical health (from damage that hammer you bought and other mongers would do to you) will all be better off for resisting re-entry.

If it bothers you, stop talking to her. She sounds like the type who complains and doesn’t actually do anything about it. I doubt she is being honest w him ab how she feels ab his “stalking,”bc she wants his money. If that’s the case, she shouldn’t be complaining ab him. If she truly is unhappy ab his behavior, she can just stop seeing him, and stop taking his money. I have a feeling he will move on.

You should definitely intervene. No need to report back. I’ll be watching Shadowcat’s 2:00 a.m. reports for the results.

Next time you’re at the club, wait for him to show up, and slit his throat as he gets out of his car. You can use a garrote if you have one, but slitting his throat is something you can do and let go, and he’ll still die. If you do it right, that is.

If you want to do the morally right thing, stop trying to win her love.

Awww...thats so morally upstanding of you. I like the love test too. "If she loves me really she will visit me in prision/hospital/or at my funeral."

Morality and strippers, hmmm, sounds like a conflict with reality there.

Invite the stalker out with yall... and have him foot the bill. Because why should she get to have all the fun?? ;)

But srsly ask her what she's done so far? Does bouncer/management know, does she want them/you/anyone to intervene? (doesn't mean you should) but find out what she wants before even thinking about involving yourself in any situation that doesn't concern you.

I initially thought the discussion was titled Mortality and Strippers. It might be appropriate too -

It’s time you finally break down and get a girlfriend

@DrEvil Good One. Lol

I had a stripper tell me her BF's family kept her locked in a room and only let her out to go strip and pay there bills..LOL of course it was all BS.

^^^ That's some high quality stripper shit.

Douche

ButterMan, it wouldn't surprise me that that scenario happens somewhere in the USA.

(:

The unanimous opinion on here is to stay out of it, so that’s what the customer will do. She hasn’t asked for his help, so no need to jump in.

Stay out of it

you are definitely RIL, not sure what your end game is here, but i have a feeling when she gets tired of you, you are going to be the next stalker

Find a new CF.

You should protect her from her stalker at all cost!!

Start by checking on her frequently ITC. The only way you can keep her safe from her stlalker is, of course, by knowing what she is doing and who she is with at all times. Right?

Next you could hang out at her waitressing job in order to protect her from the creepy dude who is hanging out at her waitressing job. Sure it may look a little odd to the vanilla staff at her other job, but they don't understand the situation the way a seasoned strip club guy like you does.

Finally, you should follow her home in order to make sure that she doesn't have a tail. If she spots you and questions you the next time she sees you, just explain to her that you are following her home to keep you safe.

And, of course, you should kep doing these things until she gets a BF or another RIL to take your place. Now this new BF/RIL may, by that point, have you confused for the REAL stalker, but no doubt you can set that person straight. ;)

-->"She hasn’t asked for his help, so no need to jump in."

I continue to think the key piece of info missing is: "and even if she does ask for his help, he should not jump in. Offer advice, sure, but not 'jump in'".