Bitch - really?
Papi_Chulo
Miami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
Was at a mixed-dive on a nighshift visit last-night - a white-dancer, dark-haired brunette w/ a good-bod, approaches me for dances - I say "not right now" since I rarely spend my limited PL-funds on the vanilla (this mixed-club is rare in that it's usually about 50%, sometimes a bit more, ebony-dancers).
This club has been on a bit of a decline over the last 2 or so years; it's a dive and was never great, but it was a bit better b/f.
Anyway - it was kinda a slow Wed eve so decided to give the brunette a try the second time she came back to ask for dances (it was fairly slow custy-wise also).
We go to the dance-area where it's $25/dance and the dancer has to pay the house $5 out of every-dance thus there is a staff-member keeping track of the dances.
I do my 2 LDs w/ the brunette and they were pretty-good mileage w/ some titty-sucking so I go ahead and take-out 3 $20s so she can have a bit of a tip - she looks at me and says it's 3-songs - sometimes I get distracted and lose track of the songs but I was damn sure it was two b/c it's not as if I was gonna go any further w/ a vanilla-dancer which is not my cup-of-tea.
Anyway I tell-her "no we did 2" - she then has the balls to tell me "let's talk w/ the dance-counter" - I said fine but I knew I could not fully count on the dance-counter to take my side since often times staff in SCs are douches and many try to help out the dancers or in some rare situations the staff may be in kahoots w/ a ROB(s).
Anyway I've had this issue b/f b/c almost all South FL mixed-clubs have the $5 to the house per dance system thus they almost all have a dance-counter; thus I know a ROB's tactic when she says "let's talk w/ the dance-counter" w/ her tactic being her saying "we did 3 songs and he said we did 2" or "we did 3-songs right" and kinda look at the dance-counter w/ a look/eye like "help me out".
Anyway - she's talking to the dance-counter but I don't hear what she says - but I don't wait for shit to be sorted out and just tell him straight-up "we did 2-songs and that's all I'm paying for" - and he knew we did 2-songs and not 3 - I think he was new b/c he had a bit of a "deer in the headlights look" - all he said was "hey that's b/w you two I just need the $10 for the house (thus w/o noticing acknowledging we had only done 2 songs)" - so I put back one of my $20's I was originally planning to give her and give her the $50 I owed her w/o the tip.
I had already spent a good-amount on this evening and the dance-counter had seen me hit the dance-area several-times - so I went further and told him - "hey - now you know next time there's a disagreement w/ a custy and this chick you'll know it's her trying to rip-off a custy" - and further told-him "I've been in the dance-area all night long w/ various dancers and have spent a lot of $$$ and none of them have complained about me ripping them off so why am I gonna be ripping off this chick" - he just replied "yeah I know, I've seen you".
Just goes to show the balls these ROBs have - she thought I was gonna be intimidated or scared her saying "let's go talk to the dance-counter" - yet so many newbs just pay off the extortion as soon as a ROB-bitch threatens to get the manager or staff-person - i.e. one has to stand-up to both, these fucking ROB-dancers, and staff that will often side w/ them unless you stand your ground - and why I didn't wait for shit to be sorted out nor did I wimply or "politely ask" how many dances he'd counted b/c good-chance he would have cited w/ her - I didn't ask nor wait for a "resolution"; I said what was up (I only did 2 and was only paying for 2) and went further to call her out to him as a ROB.
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You did the right thing by standing your ground Papi, I take my hat off to you sir.
All you can do is be careful and trust your instincts if you think the dancer is going sideways on you and cut your losses as soon as you can in those instances.
most of the clubs I’ve been to are pre pay so the issue of how many songs did we do doesn’t arise
This was about 3 or 4 years ago - as those familiar w/ DDs know, it's almost all Cuban dancers - anyway I had found a light-brown skinned ebony and agreed to some LDs w/ her - back then I think they had less dance-booths but anyway we had to wait right outside the dance-booths till one of them became available.
A song finishes and the dancer inside the dance-booth the curtain to signal they are done getting dances (LDs are $25 and dancer gives the house $5 of every-dance thus they open the curtain so they don't get charged for another song).
Anyway - the dancer in the booth opens the curtain - she then proceeds to start getting dressed while the PL just waits there sitting on the seat inside the booth - the dancer finally finishes getting dressed then the PL decides now is when he's gonna start sorting his $$$ to pay her.
By the time the PL and dancer leave the booth, about 1/3 to 1/2 of the already short 3-minute song is over - me and the ebony go inside and I tell her "let's wait for the next song" - she says "don't worry I got you" - she starts doing a semi-dance while she's fully-dressed then finally gets nude to her g-string for the last 30-seconds - a new song starts and I double-check and tell her "this is our first song right?" - she says "this is what I'll do ...." - I didn't let her finish and just walked out of the dance-booth w/o paying her shit and went and hung-out on the floor.
I hear her trying to get the dance-counter's attention as I was walking away but for w/e reason he didn't pay any attention to her - I was expecting for her to get the manager or a staff-person and for them to come talk to me but no-one ever did.
When I stand my ground is fully-knowing I may be asked to leave the club which I prefer to being extorted/ROBed - but I gotta say there are times when one is really feeling a club (e.g. full of ebony brickhouses) and one may have to take the hit to keep enjoying the club; not saying it's the right thing to do but pull of the pussy is that strong :) - but, 99% of the time I fight the ROB shift unless I'm not 100% sure (e.g. not 100% sure on the dounce-count, etc)
Paying a ROB so as to not have her ruin your reputation in the club is almost as bad as paying out of fear whenever they threaten to get a manager or a bouncer (which often it's an empty-threat b/c they know they are in the wrong and ripping you off and they too don't wanna get a ROB reputation w/ the staff; often they rather keep the ROBing on the down-lo b/c they know many newbs or ball-less SCers will cave-in w/ a simple threat not requiring follow-thru).
Dancers/staff often know better than us that there are ROB dancers, and the good-dancers hate it as much as us b/c it makes their job of selling dances harder - i.e.a dancer saying stuff about a custy is not necessarily believed by other dancers and many dancers know-better especially if the dancer spreading the rumor has a bit of a ROB-rep.
Perhaps in a club that is a seller's market it may be a problem if a dancer talks shit about you, but in most-clubs selling dances is not that easy thus dancers are not in the habit of avoiding custies b/c of what just one dancer says - plus once they see you getting dances w/ other girls w/ no issues it becomes apparent you are not a problematic custy.
These other guys that are having to deal with $25 dances (once again, thank God I live in Atlanta) have a bigger issue. Upcharging 2 to 3 is rough.
Glad to see you active again, BTW. Hope you're back at full strength soon.
As a victim of ROBs myself, this thread just reminded me: downloading that Shazam app now. Time to nerd out and blow feeble minds with empirical data in the club...
And LOL of course if she under counts songs I gladly pay her for her count and add a good tip to it.
My "Bitch - Really?" moment was when I got a single trial dance once and she said, after the dance, that she charges a rate $10 more than the house rate. I laughed and said that I pay the house rate unless it is pre-negotiated. As I pay her the house rate (without tip) she still continues to tell me I owe her and at that point I laughed and walked away. She was the new stripper at the club and I was the regular. The manager and bartender and security all know me! Bitch - Really? No, Bitch - Please!
On the other hand, if they overcount by 3, then it’s DEFCON 1.
I've only had a handful of dances since I got back in the game, but when I did I made it clear to the girl before she started that was having "1 dance" or one time "2 dances." Seems to me some bitches can rip you off, and by the same token, I can see some drunk PLs losing count, too.
A couple times I've gotten the rip off attempt even after one song. Like SLD said, I stated the song title to her and told her that it's too bad that she lost count of the number of songs because I thought she was hot and I would've gotten more dances if this hadn't been a problem. I try to say that calmly and in a matter of fact way. I don't want drama so I don't get upset to avoid both of us digging in.
My view is that common decency is a two way street and that doesn't change inside a strip club. Good for you Papi for standing your ground. I used to cave in my younger days but I don't now. I've never been kicked out of a club because of a dispute before but I would accept that over bullshit treatment.
I used to be kind of passive and accepted bullshit in a club to avoid a scene. It took me a while but I learned that I could avoid a scene if I didn't turn it into one and was willing to walk if I was sure I was right. I think that there is an aura of intimidation in a club because it's "naughty" and "we shouldn't be there". Plus it's the home turf for the strippers and bouncers. But I wouldn't accept being ripped off in a restaurant so I eventually learned to treat a strip club the same way.
Oh, and never enable ROB behavior. N...E...V...E...R...!...!...!
Being beaten to death by the bouncer over this kind of thing is widely considered to be pretty dramatic:
http://www.12news.com/news/local/valley/…
Simple bravado is no substitute for being aware of your surroundings.
@Lapdancealot- yeah some girls will dance during those bumper songs between sets and count that as a song, ROB tendencies.
This is a very easy way to squeeze more money out of a customer. It’s easy for many inexperienced (and unaware) customers to overpay based on a rob’s padding of the count.
If your pants are around your ankles - your cock is hard - and you are still thinking of how good her thick rump felt - it can be challenging to gather your thoughts and remember the dance count!