Them Damn Cubans

Papi can tell you more from personal experience. I tend to believe it's a cultural thing, based on survival needs growing up in a corrupt political environment. I've had only one dancer from Cuba that I enjoy. The rest I disregard.

I haven’t met any in the Detroit clubs either.

More so it seems to be a few Mexicans in the clubs here. I can’t ever remember meeting a Cuban in the area clubs.

Not too many Asians in the area either, which is too bad as I enjoy some Spicy Pad Thai once in a while...

I love the cubanitas. Hell, I married one.

Just not the ones that work in the clubs. It's like they mentor each other on how to promise the world without ever fulfilling the promise.

2 words: Pudgy and pushy. Sure there are some hotties, but most of the ones I've seen barely reach the 7 barrier. Even so, they don't know how attractive they are not. So they become pushy, and they don't handle rejection well. They all want something for nothing, and they have no qualms about ripping off customers and other dancers. Sure, this could be the by-product of growing up in a socialist dictatorship hellhole; but that does not excuse that behavior when they are in the USA.

Fortunately, like Flagooner, I found one that was raised to be ambitious and believe in hard work, integrity, and discipline. Unfortunately for her, she was fooled into marriage by a hard-working, undisciplined horn-dog of a monger.

I have never encountered a Cuban stripper in Detroit, but I met some in Miami. They are aggressive. Some of them are very cute.

The ones that have invaded Follies all came up from Miami. At first there were just a couple but they sent the word south that this is a good club to work at.

Most speak very little or no English. "wanna dance" is their opening line. Because of this they treat the job as more like working in a whore house than a strip club. They don't ask for drinks or want to talk. Just get the money and move on to the next guy.

Now there are some guys that like this approach. I'm not one of them. I did sample a couple of good looking ones when they first started and almost went to VIP with one but now I just flat reject the ones that do come up to me. Most have learned to not waste their time on me.

The other dancers do not like then either. Cut rate competition.

I do like a good Cuban sandwich. :)

I have a potential regular who doesn't speak a lick of English at all. Normally that would be a minus for me as I like conversation, but she's beautiful, smiles a lot and gives me excellent value. I've only seen her twice though and not recently. She might be Cuban... I did manage to find out she's not Mexican with my rather poor grasp of Spanish. If she come back I'll try and find out.

Lots of new Cubans in the Tampa area. Most are quick with the "ju wan danz, papi?". However, they are all about the money and seem to be pretty easy to negotiate with. When they aren't, i dismiss quickly and move on to the next one. A little Spanish in my part really helps, though.

Usually hard to peg down people's behavior and whether it's nature vs nurture - but from my POV it has to do a lot w/ what "Meat72" mentioned.

Under almost 6-decades of a totalitarian communist regime w/ very very scarce resources, many (but not all) people will do w/e they need-to to survive or just get-by a little-better than they o/w would - since there is total-control by the gov many people learn to cheat and be deceptive to get around the totally-controlling regime and some people will step on others just to get-by since resources are so scarce - there is not nearly enough for everyone so people screw each other over to just get the bare-necessities - the Cuban ROBs grew-up this way and that is how they are wired - it's unfortunately cultural and is seen as the way to get ahead and get ahead fast; almost like an accepted thing, i.e. if I screw you over is not on me, it's on you for allowing yourself to be screwed-over and not being on your feet (the thinking among those that do what they do) - so these Cubans that never had anything and had to hustle and cheat to get the bare-necessities, come to the US and now they can have pretty-much anything they want and never had; thus just like they used to lie and cheat for the bare-necessities now they lie and cheat to get everything they want and get it fast since they never had anything and craved it all their lives.

Many often change w/ time and once they get established - i.e. the Cubans that came 10 years ago think lowly of the new-arrivals, then 10 years later the once new arrivals will think lowly of the ones that just came.

But; it *is* kinda endemic of Latin culture overall for their to be a lot of corruption and cheating - e.g. countries like Mexico, Venezuela, Argentina, could be way better off than they are but not for the systemic corruption over decades if not centuries - w.r.t. Cuba and it being a totalitarian regime and how that changes people's behavior and how the Cuban-dancers act, the same thing can be seen w/ Russian and Eastern Euro dancers and how ROBish and cutthroat they can be since they also had a history of totalitarian communist regimes.

Miami is controlled by the Cubans from politics to business owners, on down - and is corrupt as fuck - not corrupt in that one is appalled, but corrupt to tne point it makes one wanna puke.

Of course not all Cubans are this way (crooked); it's just a sizeable minority that although a minority it's too sizable - most Cubans are very hard-working and honest, and almost-all, including the crooks, are very family oriented - particularly those not form the capital Havana, they tend to be almost-all honest and humble, but unfortunately the biggest portion of Cubans live in the capital of Havana and those are the ones that are mostly the crooks.

I avoid Cuban dancers like the plague. Many reasons. White women are my thing. And the language barrier is usually insurmountable. A girl can't be my perfect girlfriend for the evening if we can't communicate. Cuban dancers also tend to be of the wanna dance variety, which also turns me off. Finally, Cuban dancers have a reputation as mostly being ROBs, as several have suggested.

It used to be that most of the Cuban dancers were just in Miami-Dade county - but now they've taken over almost all of the clubs in the entire tri-county South-FL region (Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach) - and are now in other states and in significant #s.

This seems to have happened just recently in the last couple of years as if it became an open-secret shared among each other that this (stripping) was a legal way to make a lot of $$$ and make it fast - it almost seems as if it was something organized since they seem to know, and hit, the best-known/most-profitable clubs across the country - many Cubans pay smugglers to get them to the US and I would not be totally surprised if it's the smugglers themselves that put these girls in the know about stripping and how fast $$$ can be made, so they (smugglers) can be paid-back faster - not saying the smugglers force them into stripping, but put them in the know - and also not saying this is going-on, I just find it kinda odd the way the Cubans have taken over stripping in many areas including Miami where 10 years ago yeah there were lots of Cuban dancers in Miami but lots of everything else too.

JS69 - You are incorrect about Cuban skin color. Most of the ones working at Follies are as white as you are. I do agree with the language barrier. Having been married to a Mexican for 27 years, I can speak some Spanish. I call it tourist Spanish. But I refuse to make it easier for them and don't let them know that I can speak it. They do well at Follies because some guys don't care about talking and there is also a big Latino customer base.

"I avoid Cuban dancers like the plague"

Why can someone get away with saying this but not "I avoid AA dancers like the plague" without taking a ton of flack about being racist?

I'm not meaning to call out JS69, it could have been a comment by anyone as many feel that way.

@BigTezzy asked "what states are they mostly in?"

The big cities of south and central Florida ( Miami, Ft Lauderdale, WPB, Orlando, Tampa), plus northeastern New Jersey (especially Hudson County, Union County, parts of Bergen County, and maybe a few parts of Essex County) are the two big Cuban strongholds in the US. I don't have much experience with them, as I generally prefer American girls.

Don't patronize the board flag - jeez this guy

Papi,

I'd venture a guess that close to 100% of the Cuban dancers theses days, were born in the US and have never lived in, as Meat says, a "corrupt political environment." Many might even be third generation Cubans here.

I think it's the opposite clubber, most of the Cuban dancers have been here less than 5 years and that's why most of them don't speak barely if any English, if they were born or raised here they'd speak perfect or close to perfect English

^^^ I agree. Most second generation Cubans don't seem to want to dance on stage. They go to school, open businesses, become doctors, etc.

But I think the overall fear and mistrust of government and other institutions probably takes a few generations to go away completely. Look at Italians or Russians. They also came from places where you would have to have been a fool to trust the local authorities. The end result was organized crime.

Thanks for the helpful insight guys!

Papi,

We must travel in different circles. I know many born here that don't speak any English other than "broken".

One thing I have noticed is an influx of latinas here in S. Florida not just Cubans, I am also seeing a lot of Venezuelan’s, Brazilians , Panamanians, and others. Not real sure if Palm Beach, Miami-Dade, and Broward counties are magnets because of the communities where thy have families or because it is easiest to blend into the background and we have many fluent Spanish and Portuguese languages speakers and they are comfortable here.

Geez. Sounds like you guys need a walk down there in Florida to keep them all out! ;)

Wall. Not walk.

^^^I don’t mind them being here I think having a multicultural community is a lot of fun. Spending money to build a wall would be a waste.

Problem is that when they are in large #s like in Miami, they don't assimilate and don't learn how to speak English and it doesn't feel, nor run, like an American city and starts feeling like Havana North, and that is not a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

@warhawks, @Papi_Chulo,

I think what the Cubans have done with Miami is incredible. My dad lived in Dade county for a few years when he was a kid in the 50s, before the Revolution, and he talks about how sleepy and remote it felt at the time. Little to do, not many people to do it with. I remember hearing in a documentary that, as recently as the 50s, all of Miami-Dade county had one cop on patrol overnight. As my dad puts it, it was basically a retirement community for blue-collar Jews from NY who couldn't afford to move to Palm Beach.

And then the Cuban Revolution happened. And before you knew it, the entire middle class and upper class of Cuba had relocated itself to South Florida to escape from socialism. They brought their experience, business know-how, education, etc.* And look at Miami now. My dad doesn't even recognize it anymore. It's one of the biggest cities in America, a hub of finance, trade, the arts, etc. I would actually call it the most important city in Latin America. And the Cuban emigre population is mostly responsible for that. I wish we had more of them, even if NONE of them speaks English.

*Yes, I know, there were handouts from the US government, too, and that was wrong. But still, they didn't build Miami on welfare. Cuban businessmen built Miami.

Drug money built Miami.

But, yes, as an immigrant ethic group themail Cuban bloc/community has thrived mostly with positive contributions.

In the first couple of years of the communist takeover, over have the doctors left the island- the first waves of Cuban immigrants in the 60s were often well educated middle to upper class folks - after the 1980 Mariel boat-lift that is when Cuban riff-raff started coming in larger #s and it was not the same kinda immigration going forward from there

@Papi_Chulo, I think most of the Marielitos have proven to be harmless and productive

During Mariel Fidel purposely cleared his jails and mental hospitals and the army personally escorted these folks and forced them on to boats headed for Miami - supposedly 125k Cubans came in Mariel and reportedly 25k were criminals, crazies, and other undesirables

^ Miami changed overnight and it was never the same

@Papi_Chulo, yes, I remember. But one would think, if there were 25,000 criminals and mental patients suddenly unleashed on a major metropolis, most of them would have been arrested for something by now. All I'm saying is that, almost four decades later, most of the boat people who aren't in prison or in an institution are likely harmless and productive residents. Besides, the boatlift happened at a time when crime rates were already spiking in all major American cities, including Miami. From the late 60s to the early 90s, America witnessed a sustained increase in crime that rivaled the Prohibition years, and it began long before the boatlift. Were the boatlift people more likely to commit crime than the original emigres in the late 50s and 60s? Yes. Poor people commit more crime than middle class and wealthy people. It's a fact.

Castro was playing a cynical political game by releasing the Marielitos and shipping them to Florida. He assumed that they would behave badly and that Americans would react by turning against all Cuban immigrants. He also assumed that their bad behavior and the inevitable reactions to it would reveal the hollowness of the American system. It doesn't seem to have happened. Also, at least some of the Marielitos were probably actual political prisoners. They, at least, deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Anyway, the good news is that Fidel is dead. And so is Che Guevara. Two down, one to go.

I do know that my spanish grade average in school went from an A to a C overnight!

Staying away from the political business of this and sticking to my fortay the hoeish business: Cubans are interesting. While there are some very beautiful Cubans, if you were to average all the ladies out the face is one of the weak points of the Cubans (I. E. Venezuelans, Brazilians & Colombians blow them away in the facial looks). But Cubans have something that draw you in a way that a mediocre looking Colombian would not. The are many cutthroat ones out there, but like anyone if you find their buttons anyone can change their stripes. Once you learn how to deal with them, it's one of the joys of life. If you don't want them, send them all to me. Even though i might brush them off for a better looking colombiana.

My wife and in laws came as part of the boat lift. Her father was a former political prisoner and steadfastly maintains his passion for "the cause"

While there were many, the criminal element was still in the minority.