Help with strategies to not be seen as an ATM/whale.
Stognasty
Everywhere. Currently Phoenix
In previous posts I've mentioned a certain blonde I've been trying to work up to ITC FS. I went back to see her on Tuesday afternoon. We did a half hour private room for $250 as I've done before. We get comfortable and she asks what I want to do. I tell her that I want sex and she asks what kind of gift that would be worth to me. I offer another $100 which she says won't work. I seem to have already set a precedent that I'm willing to spend $350 on her for just really good high contact dances.
She tells me it would be another $300 to fuck which I refused. We finished our time and I said I would think about it. How do I get this situation in hand? Can it be done? I know I'm a newbie and stand a good chance of fucking it up more but I would still appreciate guidance.
Should I just cut my losses and move on?
She tells me it would be another $300 to fuck which I refused. We finished our time and I said I would think about it. How do I get this situation in hand? Can it be done? I know I'm a newbie and stand a good chance of fucking it up more but I would still appreciate guidance.
Should I just cut my losses and move on?
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Here's something to think about. If you're willing to pay $250 for a VIP that is just high contact lap dances, and there's 3 other guys a night willing to pay the same, she has no reason to have to accept sex with you for $100 on top of the VIP fee.
If you're in a club where extras aren't prevalent, but they can be had, I like to go for the girls in the middle of the pack, they usually are more flexible and open in their personal rules. Just be careful, there's plenty of girls in the "middle of the pack" that think they are a member of the "A team."
That's just a theory I use, everyone has a different way for this to work...
I disagree. He trained her to consider $350 the price for high contact dances. She would be a complete idiot to accept the same amount to have sex, given that all indications to her are that she has a live one on her hands, and it's worth the risk to bid him up.
This is a lesson-learned moment. Don't pay for a no-extras dance, the exact same amount you want to pay for FS, and then expect to get FS at that price.
Cut your losses and move on, and do yourself a favor and don't overpay in a way that will sabotage yourself
I also think you're the victim of GPS. If you're really desperate to fuck her ITC, then up the offer to $150 for a total of $400. That's still overpaying for 30 minutes in a glorified walk-in closet. If she says 'no', then tell her that you're moving on, but the offer stands if she becomes willing.
Make sure that *all* of these negotiations take place before you pay the club for the VIP room.
You could also offer her $350 OTC for 1 hour, which is pretty fair if you're renting the hotel room.
I mostly agree with others here, though. Move on to green pastures.
Plucko
Lonewolf: I don't think so, or my reading comprehension is in the toilet. Here's his exact words:
-->"I seem to have already set a precedent that I'm willing to spend $350 on her for just really good high contact dances."
He's paying $350, not $250, for high-contact VIP, he's set a precedent at the price (that is, he's given her $250 VIP plus an extra $100 just for high contact in the past). At least, that's how I read that sentence. He's also offering the same amount, $350, for FS. Which seems crazy...
When quoted a ridiculous price, no matter what you are buying, walk away. Then, see what happens. Maybe the price will suddenly come down or maybe you'll find better value elsewhere. What you won't do is be treated like a sucker.
Be polite, but don't spend another cent on her. See if she changes her tune. If not, find another dancer.
I hate to say it but you might be setting yourself up for an expensive lesson in disappointment...like getting yourself up for the latest and greatest movie only to walk out thinking, "it wasn't as good as I expected."
My brother finally convinced me to buy a pair of MX boots for my dual sport riding but kept warning me I'd absolutely hate them the first couple of times I rode. I fully expected to have a horrible experience and after using them yesterday on a long ride, I actually didn't think they were that bad...much better than thinking they'd be the bomb, then be pissed that I couldn't get my toe under the shift lever.
Some of are more wealthy members here pay a LOT for ITC sex in some form and it's their money so I'm not throwing stones. For OTC I'd spend a LOT more money on a girl. I don't go to the club specifically for orgasms because the few times I came ITC I felt pretty weird about it afterwards.
You're welcome. ;)
But ok, to elaborate, this means saying no to her the next time she asks. If she just sits down to chat without asking upfront, you should be pro-active by saying something like, "[Insert name here], I don't want to waste your time, so I need to let you know upfront that II'm not going to be taking you back tonight." If she asks why, which is likely given your history, just tell her that you want to explore your other options a bit.
I should just add that delivery matters. She won't be confused about why you are really saying no and the odds are good that she will walk regardless of how you deliver this, which would be enough of a win as you would stop burning money for low ROI activities. However, if you can manage to deliver this in a calm and friendly way (some guys can do this and others just can't for one reason or another), there is a chance that she might stick around and make a counter-offer. After all, now she is starting at 0 rather than $350, which is a dramatically different position from which to bargain.
What does that mean?