Good news for all who are in the global warming camp
sharkhunter
The opposing group who say that solar cycles will cause global cooling and crop failures say it should be colder by 2019 and or 2020. I think I heard even 2017 wasn't supposed to be as hot as normal.
I'm glad we won't have to wait to see if the amount of solar radiation reaching our planet is a bigger factor than the amount of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere. Plus I like the thought of cool summers in South Carolina.
If it's not getting colder by 2020, I might consider moving to Canada.
If it does get a lot colder, I guess I might try stocking up on food or aquaponics if food isn't already extremely expensive.
From what I remember, the global warming camp said about 20 years ago that sea levels were going to be 50 feet higher in the year 2000, if something wasn't done 20 years ago. I'm crossing my fingers that the global cooling camp is correct and that the global warming camp have their models all wrong just like astronomers thought they knew all about the universe 20 years ago until they discovered most of the universe was unknown dark matter.
Actually though, both camps could be right. Global cooling and massive crop failures could start up soon but after 50 or 60 years, the planet may get hot again. I'm going to try to remember this post 3 years from now if 2020 is the hottest year ever.
I'm glad we won't have to wait to see if the amount of solar radiation reaching our planet is a bigger factor than the amount of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere. Plus I like the thought of cool summers in South Carolina.
If it's not getting colder by 2020, I might consider moving to Canada.
If it does get a lot colder, I guess I might try stocking up on food or aquaponics if food isn't already extremely expensive.
From what I remember, the global warming camp said about 20 years ago that sea levels were going to be 50 feet higher in the year 2000, if something wasn't done 20 years ago. I'm crossing my fingers that the global cooling camp is correct and that the global warming camp have their models all wrong just like astronomers thought they knew all about the universe 20 years ago until they discovered most of the universe was unknown dark matter.
Actually though, both camps could be right. Global cooling and massive crop failures could start up soon but after 50 or 60 years, the planet may get hot again. I'm going to try to remember this post 3 years from now if 2020 is the hottest year ever.
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Who would have thought that?
I guess strippers and strip club customers. :)
I've seen several strippers in parallel universes, it adds a lot of variety when the same people in the same strip club look different from one visit to another.
Hair color changes, weight changes, people don't remember you from one week til the next, sometimes strippers suddenly never even had breast implants, ok that was weird.
That was my attempt to make this thread at least somewhat relevant to this site.
I'm not alarmed for myself - I'll be dead before the average temperature rises more than about 2 degrees. However, my children and my grandchildren are liable to face a global catastrophe and that concerns me greatly.
Yes, climate change is going happen one way or the other as thats how Earth works, we're just speeding it up (how much is the debate, but the scientific consensus is its significant and alarming). You spoke about "adapting to it," but you realize we are trying to slow down the rate that our human activity is contributing to it so that we can reasonably adapt to it in a more realistic timeframe.
I'm not at all a climate nut, and was even a denier of the extent of human involvement for a long time, but even I am no long dumb enough to see how flawed this kind if thinking is in the face of such overwhelming scientific data. Its a global issue affecting our very existence and so much bigger than pounding our American chests over economic bullshit.
Sure data from the past 200 years which is by no means an accurate sample. Data says there were glaciers covering much of North America 10,000 years ago and the first SUV was 40 years ago. The findusyrila revolution started 150 years ago. Global warming has been happening for over 10,000 years!
Where is the data proving humans are primarily responsible for climate change? Oh that's right, this comes from "scientists" who need to justify their position so they can continue to receive government funding so they can continue to have a job. Only ritarded people who let their emotions rationalize their existence would believe in such hypocrisy.
Yet, the same people who worry about climate change refuse to embrace nuclear. Makes no sense to me.
Somebody tell me who made earth's temps hotter back then?
Solar cycles have more to do with any long term temperature changes than man has ever been able to do.
The issue is not the climate change itself, its the fact that man is artificially accelerating it a wee bit faster than how it would naturally occur. Thats a bit of a problem and doesn't allow us time to acclimate/adjust and reasonably plan for whats occuring. When something naturally is occuring that could lead to a global extinction event, why in holy hell would we want to help speed it up rather than keep it to its natural pace instead?
Sure thing sport whatever you say. Go BLOW! DUH
I am not claiming that the researchers are liars, or co-conspirators in a vast scheme, or even that they are wrong. But I am saying that the process used by these "studies" is less science, and more politics - or as rockstar calls it "religion." (Yes, rockstar I know you were calling the "other guy" a religionist) The evidence for "man made" in the climate argument (since Al Gore and Obama declared the debate ended, the only option left is argument) is not as clear cut as some want to believe.
The basic "science" used by AGW research involves two positions. First, researchers work to establish an increase - globally - in specific trace gasses (originally it was only one gas - CO2, but that didn't work so they added more gasses to the "warming gas" list) and worked to tie that increase to warmer climate. And second, researchers create computer models of the atmosphere and plug in changes related to the "warming gasses" to attempt to get the models to show what happens as the "warming gasses" increase. The only problem with this approach is the bias built into both ends of the process.
The funded researchers "model" the climate with some very sophisticated computer programs. These models are supposed to accept a tremendous amount of data on atmospheric composition, heating and cooling factors (like amount and reflective ability of polar ice, solar input, ocean temps, energy transfer between gasses, etc.), and the assumed ability of various atmospheric gasses to retain energy (heat). The problem is every model ever created has significantly overstated the change in temperatures actually occurring - even after the "adjustments" described below. That is a big problem - man made catastrophic global warming is "proven" to be a threat only by climate models - and the climate models don't work. Over 35 year of climate models have universally failed. (This issue is discussed in detail in the UN-IPCC 5th Assessment Report, October 2013) The IPCC answer to failed models is "new" models (that are also showing the same trends, and also overstating projected temps)
The current temp research uses data points (weather stations) around the globe, satellite data (from Eurosats, NOAA and NASA), and interpolated values for areas without coverage to establish base point data for a global mean. The problems (and there are many problems) happen when researchers "adjust" existing, and prior, reported temps, interpolate with "target" temps previously established and modify satellite data to account for implied variables. There are justifications for each change, and except for a batch of NOAA adjustments between 2013 and 2016 that were not explained, the math behind each change is valid (though a number of climate experts do question the original justifications for many of the adjustments) .
But when all the detail work is done and a composite of temperatures is presented, over 93% of the data is adjusted or imputed. Less than 4% of the temperatures used in the "actual" daily, monthly, and annual global temperature are real reported temperatures. And when the various climate reporting sources (NOAA, NASA, UN-IPCC) look back at historic data, they also see a need to adjust (always down) previously reported temperatures, in order to "correct" for "errors" created by using mercury instruments (although, for some reason, mercury thermometers currently in use must be adjusted up to produce the "correct" current temperatures).
Then comes the "hottest year," "hottest May," and "hottest day" described in breathless, terrifying, press releases. Even after all the guesswork in figuring historic global average temps, and all the adjustments to calculate the current global average temps, the differences reported between historic and current temps are in tiny percentages of a degree, and in EVERY case to date - the difference is within the reported margin of error of the global temp study. In other words - they really don't know whether it really is warmer or not.
Climate change shouldn't be treated as a religion. It should be looked upon as a study of global climate and all theories should be tested carefully and debated often. When a theory fails repeatedly it should be reevaluated - But in the modern politicized environment, political science and the power of government money trumps real science!
Again, I am not saying that the AGW faithful are wrong. I am saying that the theory is NOT proven (perhaps "not yet"). And I am saying that politics has overwhelmed research to create a situation where honest research and honest review of the data is difficult - if not impossible. The climate does change, and it is changing, but how much of that current change is due to human activity is still an unanswered question.
The common sense approach is to find cleaner and better alternatives because it makes economical sense, and doesn't harm or pollute the lives of people living in close proximity to those dangers. Again, common sense appears to take a back seat to politics. Liberalism is definitely a disease.