I'm jealous. Usually I wait until an offer is made, yet little did I know that I could be affecting more otc offfers by initiating them in a conniving manipulative fashion. Who knew?
For some, it is, but not really much effort for me because I am not only a RICH STUD I am also described by the girls that know me in the biblical sense as a GOD ,hence all of their screaming OH GOD, when we get biblical !
As with everything in the US, there is a bit of a "song and dance" to go through to attain what you intend to pay for, car, house, etc. Paying for a stripper for sex is no different. There are unwritten formalities to get to the end goal of exchanging monies for sex. Because these formalities aren't taught in school or home (usually) there is a bit of a learning curve. And yes I do feel a bit more special (smarter than the average bear but not as smart as RBD) for knowing how to successfully pay a stripper to have sex with me (35% of the time within 18 months)
Actually it's not unlike knowing how to score a dime bad... unless you're in CA, CO, or states with dispensaries, it really is a bit of learning how to do...
I don't know about hardwork, but I does help if you have thought some of it through, gotten some experience, and then done some serious reflection on experience.
With time, I think it can become natural so that the girls feel really comfortable with you and you are getting the best elements of both pro and civvie encounters.
The guys that are really good at it get women who want to be their mistresses right off.
SJG
not posting much now, on deadline for some political matters.
Rane, Dougster has told us that can't be true. All you have to do is to offer a whore money, she will take it, and you fuck. Strippers who fuck are not discerning. If she fucks one customer, she will fuck any guy who walks in with money. It does not take experience or effort, you simply have to pay. The world according to Dougster.
@JS69 I didn't get that message at all, you need to read between the lines my take was some guys got game some don't but truthfully there isn't much real skill involved. BTW you are the guy who fucks whores bareback that's a bit delusional, to think if they fuck you for money they won't be fucking anybody not necessarily everyone but it's like playing Russian Roulette !
What is TUSCL egomaniac JS69's position? Does he fancy they are exclusively fucking him b/c he is willing to overpay or does he fancy it is due to his "skill and experience". Or is it a combination of both in his fantasy world?
The answer is yes;
1) You pay with earned money from your hard work.
2) You require intelligence to find the hookers and not being caught for potentially breaking the law.
3) You require of some strategy to get ejaculatory services and not being riped off.
American society is based in contradictory beliefs and double standards. Many rich, famous and successful men are getting ejaculatory services with all forms of paid "hookers"; high end escorts, sugar babies, mistresses, waitresses, strippers, nanies, maids etc. Maybe they know something you don’t.
"We want to have sex without all the bulls**t of pretending to be really interested in a girl. When you pay for sex, you pay, have sex, she leaves. Everyone's happy." Some of those men want to avoid complications.
Sex is truly pleasurable because through it we may transcend our aloneness and form a momentary bond with another human being, even if it she is a hooker and you are a john.
On its face, prostitution is a cold business. The john buys ejaculatory services for money, plain and simple. But the john can give himself an orgasm, for free. So why pay? And why is the John's enjoyment increased if the stripper produces the sounds of enjoyment and sexual arousal? If the john's motivation is selfish sexual release, the satisfaction of a biological urge, why does it matter to him if the prostitute is aroused? What excites him about the thought that she appears to be enjoying herself? Fundamental social, interpersonal dynamics are apparently present even here, inside the transaction of ejaculatory services in exchange for money.
Shailyn, I agree. It's an investment in time, and it's hard to stand any person who has emotional baggage let alone one with a higher probability of having said baggage.
I think that it requires *some* strategy, but anybody who thinks that navigating a strip club for extras (OTC or ITC) is the same as playing chess against a grandmaster is deluded or just trying too hard.
That said, part of the reason why it requires strategy is that it's a market. On one side of the transaction is the dancer who wants to do as little as possible while getting the most money, and on the other side is the customer who wants the most action while spending as little as possible. Both the dancer and customer employ a certain level of strategy to get what they want. Yeah ... that's a broad stroke, but true in most cases.
The other factor is that a fair percentage of strippers don't want to feel like hookers, even if they behave exactly like hookers. Depending on the level of self-delusion, the customer will have to navigate those moody waters carefully, especially if they don't have unlimited funds to assuage a dancer's moral/ethical misgivings. That does require some social smarts.
But, you don't have to read Sun Tzu to figure most of this stuff out. Most guys will get 70% to 80% of the way there by taking a shower, showing a bit of courage, and not being a creepy dickbag.
It should cover the history of money, hookers, and religion, as they are the same. And I am sure of course that Bataille was very familiar with Veblen.
"“general economy” of man’s relation to this intimacy: from the seamless immanence of animality to the shattered world of objects and the partial, ritual recovery of the intimate order through the violence of the sacrifice."
http://zonebooks.org/titles/BATA_THE.htm…
In some of his other works Bataille envisions moving from economies of scarcity to gift economies, where a central component is instant sex. During his later years Bataille was a very heavy user of Paris brothels.
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With time, I think it can become natural so that the girls feel really comfortable with you and you are getting the best elements of both pro and civvie encounters.
The guys that are really good at it get women who want to be their mistresses right off.
SJG
not posting much now, on deadline for some political matters.
1) You pay with earned money from your hard work.
2) You require intelligence to find the hookers and not being caught for potentially breaking the law.
3) You require of some strategy to get ejaculatory services and not being riped off.
American society is based in contradictory beliefs and double standards. Many rich, famous and successful men are getting ejaculatory services with all forms of paid "hookers"; high end escorts, sugar babies, mistresses, waitresses, strippers, nanies, maids etc. Maybe they know something you don’t.
"We want to have sex without all the bulls**t of pretending to be really interested in a girl. When you pay for sex, you pay, have sex, she leaves. Everyone's happy." Some of those men want to avoid complications.
Sex is truly pleasurable because through it we may transcend our aloneness and form a momentary bond with another human being, even if it she is a hooker and you are a john.
On its face, prostitution is a cold business. The john buys ejaculatory services for money, plain and simple. But the john can give himself an orgasm, for free. So why pay? And why is the John's enjoyment increased if the stripper produces the sounds of enjoyment and sexual arousal? If the john's motivation is selfish sexual release, the satisfaction of a biological urge, why does it matter to him if the prostitute is aroused? What excites him about the thought that she appears to be enjoying herself? Fundamental social, interpersonal dynamics are apparently present even here, inside the transaction of ejaculatory services in exchange for money.
Lol!
That said, part of the reason why it requires strategy is that it's a market. On one side of the transaction is the dancer who wants to do as little as possible while getting the most money, and on the other side is the customer who wants the most action while spending as little as possible. Both the dancer and customer employ a certain level of strategy to get what they want. Yeah ... that's a broad stroke, but true in most cases.
The other factor is that a fair percentage of strippers don't want to feel like hookers, even if they behave exactly like hookers. Depending on the level of self-delusion, the customer will have to navigate those moody waters carefully, especially if they don't have unlimited funds to assuage a dancer's moral/ethical misgivings. That does require some social smarts.
But, you don't have to read Sun Tzu to figure most of this stuff out. Most guys will get 70% to 80% of the way there by taking a shower, showing a bit of courage, and not being a creepy dickbag.
Probably this will explain the development of the science of paying hookers for sex:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Ba…
Theory of Religion, Trans. Robert Hurley, 1989, Zone Books
http://csul.iii.com/record=b10379130~S0
It should cover the history of money, hookers, and religion, as they are the same. And I am sure of course that Bataille was very familiar with Veblen.
"“general economy” of man’s relation to this intimacy: from the seamless immanence of animality to the shattered world of objects and the partial, ritual recovery of the intimate order through the violence of the sacrifice."
http://zonebooks.org/titles/BATA_THE.htm…
https://www.amazon.com/Theory-Religion-G…
a few pages here:
https://www.amazon.com/Theory-Religion-G…
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1521…
full text online, might only be 63 pages, but need to buy subscription.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/51599309/Bata…
another downloadable by subscription:
https://philpapers.org/rec/BATTOR
FULL TEXT ONLINE, FREE, 110 pages, English:
http://www.totuusradio.fi/wordpress/wp-c…
In some of his other works Bataille envisions moving from economies of scarcity to gift economies, where a central component is instant sex. During his later years Bataille was a very heavy user of Paris brothels.
Bataille reader, full text online, FREE
https://www.monoskop.org/images/0/06/Bot…
a review"
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v12/n13/susan-rubi…
Madam Edwarda is one of his gift economy, pull up her dress, instant sex characters.
Another review:
https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/c…
Also a correction, the book is entitled "Theory of Religion"
https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/c…
http://csul.iii.com/record=b12683369~S0
I would start though with this:
https://www.amazon.com/Bataille-Reader-G…
SJG
Bill Withers - Lean On Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEXQkrll…
Casino Royale 1967 soundtrack, awesome album cover in my opinion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhmZULZX…
SJG
https://www.amazon.com/Bataille-Peak-Ene…
SJG
Getting:
https://www.amazon.com/Theory-Religion-G…
Zone Books publishes lots and lots of this French material, and Robert Hurley has done much of the translation.
SJG