"Technically," it's not the fucking, raw or otherwise, that's illegal, it's the exchange of cash, goods or services in return for the fucking that breaks the law.
Much of what I do is illegal. Pay 18 year old girl next door types to duck bareback. Buy them alcohol and get them drunk. Smoke weed wirh them and get hem high. Watch them do molly coke etc. all in a days work.
Everyone has their own deity so he's not disparaging yours; and free speech is what our country was founded on, so FUCK YOU AMERICA (for voting in Trump). This is who we are.
In California the drinking age has always been 21. As far as I know. But in lots of other states it had been 18yo, then they raised it to 21.
They argue less automobile fatalities and turning out less alcoholics.
I think to really understand it you would have to investigate it all the way back to the repeal of Prohibition.
Most people agree that Prohibition did more harm than good. But as to limited types of restrictions, like making the drinking age 21, this does not seem to give rise to organized crime.
For myself, I feel it would be better if people did not drink and if strip clubs did not serve alcohol. And I also feel that any type of drive to bar has to be considered an anachronism, and not something to ever get financially involved in.
The 26th Amendment, authored by Senator Birch Evans Bayh Jr. from Indiana, set the voting age at 18yo.
Listening to the first track, songs with this kind of pounding beat are usually in the key of C. But I don't have anything now to compare it to. The reason, I think it has to do with how it will sound relative to the drum kit.
If she's 18, she can enlist, be handed a automatic rifle and be sent to some far away land to kill people....
Is getting deciding to get fucked in the VIP room somehow a lesser responsibility requiring less maturity?
Moral equivalency is a leading driver of the decline of the USA. Although not explicitly defined in his speeches, a desire to halt that decline by restoring America's moral supremacy is a large part of how Pres. Trump won the election. Correspondingly, you could argue that Hillarys wholly corrupt adult life and absolute moral bankruptcy was a strong cause for her loss.
I'm not defending Clinton, but doesn't gamm's comment of "wholly corrupt adult life" fit Trump depressingly well? Trump University is a good starting point: a blatant scheme to defraud young people of as much money as he could squeeze...
The problem with an 18 year old drinking age is drunk teens driving. Without that one issue, the age would remain 18. If we REALLY want to walk the moral walk as opposed to bowing to expediency, we should have the national drinking age returned to 18, or change the age of consent to 21. Ah, but that creates too many problems. So we have a relative morality in America on these issues; a very liberal concept indeed.
" Moral equivalency is a leading driver of the decline of the USA."
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Can anyone explain what this pretentious dipshit is trying to say? Word salad.
"She was beaten. Badly. By an inarticulate novice. "
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She won the popular vote by about 3M, and lost due to quirks in the electoral system by about 80K votes. By and large, rural, working-class, white dudes who lost their manufacturing jobs elected Trump. Manipulated by xenophobia, racism, and the backlash against a black president.
@gaymannu: Yeah, Trump who spent his life in things like running Casinos, dealing Real Estate and beauty pageants certainly sets a high bar regarding "how to live a moral life".
"She won the popular vote by about 3M, and lost due to quirks in the electoral system by about 80K votes. By and large, rural, working-class, white dudes who lost their manufacturing jobs elected Trump"
You just won't let it go will you? All 3, I actually think it was about 2.8 million came from California which she won by about 4.5 million votes. By and large a bunch of fruits, nuts, and immigrants who prefer to have government take care of them and think it's OK for that same government taking control of everyone's lives. The majority of the country said no thank you to that.
"The electoral college working precisely as it was deliberately designed to work"
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Trump won fair and square and we've already discussed the electoral college. For the record, the original ugly purpose of the electoral college was slavery. The north would of won every single election since slaves could (of course) not vote.
You just won't let it go will you?
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Looks like some other dipshit brought up the subject of the election in this thread.
Oh I see. Someone else brought up the election so you have to jump in with a false narrative that what California likes should apply to everyone else in the country. Got it!
As someone else pointed out, this is the United States of America, not the US of California. The electoral college functioned exactly as it was designed, which is to protect the rest of us from the tyranny of the majority. America is NOT a democracy, nor was it ever intended to be.
America is an indirect democracy. Just as the conservative need to be protected from hippie Californians, the liberals need to be protected from the racist southerners. If we had a direct vote, they'd never be another conservative president.
The important thing that was corrected was to adjust the voting age to 21 (because of the draft/conscription during Vietnam Era).
No one will refuse to serve a under 21 serviceman or servicewoman in uniform. That's about all I care about. DItto for getting married and fucking. Civilians can STFU about drinking age.
BTW, what's this about having "kids" on your insurance until 26? So when *do* children really grow up? Seems like a double standard. Let's call it 21 and split the difference, unless you serve.
An indirect democracy? No such thing. America is best described as a Democratic Republic.
I'm not a southerner. I'm from Chicago, born and raised. I've still spent more of my life in Chicago than I have outside of it. I have never perceived any more racism and hate in New Orleans and Fort Myers than I did around Chicago. There are differences, to be sure, but no greater or lesser amount or intensity. To dismiss all southerners as racist is indefensibly ignorant. There is just as much diversity and interracial cooperation in New Orleans, Miami, Atlanta, and San Antonio as there is in Chicago, Detroit, and New York. Also, Trump carried plenty of northern states like WI, IN, OH, and IA. Go back and we what states Obama had carried that Trump later won. There's no racism involved, nor was there sexism. We had two bad candidates, but the better man won. The system worked.
ENOUGH election talk, already. I think we can all agree that both major party candidates are deeply flawed. I for one am praying that better options come out of the primary system next time!
Gamm95, I came to Chicago for college in 1977 so I've been here a long time. My first visit to the south as an adult was in 1985; I was visiting lumber mills in AR, MS and AL...and OMG. White people called blacks "niggers" around their white friends. Some of my vendors would tell me about the "good niggers" and the "bad niggers". It was all quite appalling!
All the mill workers were black and all the management was white. Blacks couldn't get management jobs even when some were there over 20 years and knew every aspect of the operation. There were restaurants and bars that blacks wouldn't be in; not by law of course but they'd have had a bad time for sure. Racism in Chicago is NOTHING like in the south; I saw it first hand.
Chicago is WAY more liberal than that, despite the race issues we still struggle with today.
3Legged: The Dems got what they deserved with the super delegates. They made sure Sanders couldn't win because as typical of the Democratic Party, they think they know better than we do. This is why as a liberal I hate the Democratic Party.
Meanwhile the GOP also hated their candidate, but at least he got the nomination due to people's votes. Come the next election, I hope the DNC keeps it's sticky fingers out of the process, and lets the people nominate who they want. It was wildly successful with Obama after all....he beat the system and even for the haters, you have to at least admit our country had 8 years of competent leadership.
First, let's compare apples to apples. You cannot compare the 70s and 80s to today. At least pick the same millennium. I've seen it all first-hand as well. I also include racism against Asians, Hispanics, and other non-WASP individuals, and from the non-WASPs against WASPs. The is no greater degree in between the north and the south. Different modes of expression, but all the same.
Next, I agree completely with most of what you responded to 3-leg except the last couple of sentences. Barry did not beat the system, he manipulated with expert assistance. Second, he was anything but a competent leader. He was feckless, amoral, weak, duplicitous, presumptuous, dishonest, arrogant, and an all-around failure. The numbers don't lie. One of the others can go back and bump any number of the posts where I listed all of his and Hillary's failures; the end result is the same. He sucked. As much as I hate the Donald's use of unlimited executive orders, it is the best way to reverse the damage until the democrat party gets their heads out of their asses and comes back to the table.
Our OP wrote, "So you can take a child to VIP to fuck her raw"
This is not completely true. The age of majority is 18, and it is also the voting age.
Some states have lower ages of consent, but I believe that it is generally agreed that these should be raised to 18.
And in those states with a lower consent age, LE can still get you on other things, like contributing to the delinquency of a minor. So, no, I don't think you are completely safe having sex with a 'child' ever. And as things evolve, I believe we will have a uniform consent age of 18.
Now, I know that that does not solve all problems and that it does entail may contradictions and it does set up absurd situations.
But if you believe that children should be protected, and that this applies across racial and class lines, we have few alternatives.
Otherwise, anytime an adult would be tried, it would turn into a trial of the minor's sexual history. And racial minorities and those of low socio-economic status would never have any protection.
The drinking age is an entirely different and unrelated matter.
The age of consent in many states is 18. And those which have lower ages are usually full of caveats (16 if there is no more than 4 years difference, i.e. 16 if your 20).
But if your taking a dancer to the VIP in a club, I assume you're paying her, and that becomes illegal pretty much everywhere but Nevada (Nevada outside of Vegas) regardless of age. With further laws adding additional punishment (like, A LOT more) if she's under 18.
Hell, it's even illegal in US law to go to a foreign country and fuck the hell out of a "child", if they find out, your fucked, regardless of where it happened.
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They argue less automobile fatalities and turning out less alcoholics.
I think to really understand it you would have to investigate it all the way back to the repeal of Prohibition.
Most people agree that Prohibition did more harm than good. But as to limited types of restrictions, like making the drinking age 21, this does not seem to give rise to organized crime.
For myself, I feel it would be better if people did not drink and if strip clubs did not serve alcohol. And I also feel that any type of drive to bar has to be considered an anachronism, and not something to ever get financially involved in.
The 26th Amendment, authored by Senator Birch Evans Bayh Jr. from Indiana, set the voting age at 18yo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birch_Bayh…
He also tried unsuccessfully to eliminate the Electoral College and replace it with the popular vote.
SJG
Sammy Hagar - Standing Hampton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIuDt0di…
Listening to the first track, songs with this kind of pounding beat are usually in the key of C. But I don't have anything now to compare it to. The reason, I think it has to do with how it will sound relative to the drum kit.
http://images.bidorbuy.co.za/user_images…
Is getting deciding to get fucked in the VIP room somehow a lesser responsibility requiring less maturity?
SJG
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Can anyone explain what this pretentious dipshit is trying to say? Word salad.
"She was beaten. Badly. By an inarticulate novice. "
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She won the popular vote by about 3M, and lost due to quirks in the electoral system by about 80K votes. By and large, rural, working-class, white dudes who lost their manufacturing jobs elected Trump. Manipulated by xenophobia, racism, and the backlash against a black president.
You just won't let it go will you? All 3, I actually think it was about 2.8 million came from California which she won by about 4.5 million votes. By and large a bunch of fruits, nuts, and immigrants who prefer to have government take care of them and think it's OK for that same government taking control of everyone's lives. The majority of the country said no thank you to that.
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Trump won fair and square and we've already discussed the electoral college. For the record, the original ugly purpose of the electoral college was slavery. The north would of won every single election since slaves could (of course) not vote.
You just won't let it go will you?
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Looks like some other dipshit brought up the subject of the election in this thread.
Oh I see. Someone else brought up the election so you have to jump in with a false narrative that what California likes should apply to everyone else in the country. Got it!
No one will refuse to serve a under 21 serviceman or servicewoman in uniform. That's about all I care about. DItto for getting married and fucking. Civilians can STFU about drinking age.
BTW, what's this about having "kids" on your insurance until 26? So when *do* children really grow up? Seems like a double standard. Let's call it 21 and split the difference, unless you serve.
I'm not a southerner. I'm from Chicago, born and raised. I've still spent more of my life in Chicago than I have outside of it. I have never perceived any more racism and hate in New Orleans and Fort Myers than I did around Chicago. There are differences, to be sure, but no greater or lesser amount or intensity. To dismiss all southerners as racist is indefensibly ignorant. There is just as much diversity and interracial cooperation in New Orleans, Miami, Atlanta, and San Antonio as there is in Chicago, Detroit, and New York. Also, Trump carried plenty of northern states like WI, IN, OH, and IA. Go back and we what states Obama had carried that Trump later won. There's no racism involved, nor was there sexism. We had two bad candidates, but the better man won. The system worked.
SJG
All the mill workers were black and all the management was white. Blacks couldn't get management jobs even when some were there over 20 years and knew every aspect of the operation. There were restaurants and bars that blacks wouldn't be in; not by law of course but they'd have had a bad time for sure. Racism in Chicago is NOTHING like in the south; I saw it first hand.
Chicago is WAY more liberal than that, despite the race issues we still struggle with today.
Meanwhile the GOP also hated their candidate, but at least he got the nomination due to people's votes. Come the next election, I hope the DNC keeps it's sticky fingers out of the process, and lets the people nominate who they want. It was wildly successful with Obama after all....he beat the system and even for the haters, you have to at least admit our country had 8 years of competent leadership.
Next, I agree completely with most of what you responded to 3-leg except the last couple of sentences. Barry did not beat the system, he manipulated with expert assistance. Second, he was anything but a competent leader. He was feckless, amoral, weak, duplicitous, presumptuous, dishonest, arrogant, and an all-around failure. The numbers don't lie. One of the others can go back and bump any number of the posts where I listed all of his and Hillary's failures; the end result is the same. He sucked. As much as I hate the Donald's use of unlimited executive orders, it is the best way to reverse the damage until the democrat party gets their heads out of their asses and comes back to the table.
This is not completely true. The age of majority is 18, and it is also the voting age.
Some states have lower ages of consent, but I believe that it is generally agreed that these should be raised to 18.
And in those states with a lower consent age, LE can still get you on other things, like contributing to the delinquency of a minor. So, no, I don't think you are completely safe having sex with a 'child' ever. And as things evolve, I believe we will have a uniform consent age of 18.
Now, I know that that does not solve all problems and that it does entail may contradictions and it does set up absurd situations.
But if you believe that children should be protected, and that this applies across racial and class lines, we have few alternatives.
Otherwise, anytime an adult would be tried, it would turn into a trial of the minor's sexual history. And racial minorities and those of low socio-economic status would never have any protection.
The drinking age is an entirely different and unrelated matter.
SJG
But if your taking a dancer to the VIP in a club, I assume you're paying her, and that becomes illegal pretty much everywhere but Nevada (Nevada outside of Vegas) regardless of age. With further laws adding additional punishment (like, A LOT more) if she's under 18.
Hell, it's even illegal in US law to go to a foreign country and fuck the hell out of a "child", if they find out, your fucked, regardless of where it happened.