Locked down by a whale

Well, yeah.

And by extension, most dancers would rather have one, rich, safe, guy, pay all her expenses so that she doesn't have to work at all.

^^^My thinking is that the more customers they interact with, obviously the better chance for more regulars, which would be better for them long term.

Is it smart for them for ignore the 20 people that want to get dances from them and could potentially be regulars in the future?

A stripper who knows what she is doing (years of experience), is confident enough, that she doesn't need regulars. A whale is still better than multiple customers, since many guys will talk and keep strippers around and never pay. While the whale you already know will spend $ on you.

Hands down sit with my whale. I would work for about an hour or so before he arrived to make my tipout so the 1k he gives me is mine to keep.

At the club I'm at now, I don't have to depend on regulars at all because I can make what they would give me by hustling. But back when I worked at the more upscale clubs on 8 mile, my whales would come in and I would be theirs for the night, and it wasn't nearly as hard of work as working the room. I would sometimes (depending on the club) have them give me money to give the dj to keep me off the stage too. The 8 mile clubs I worked at had good food, so we'd eat dinner, have some drinks, go for dances, more drinks, more dances, and just get drunk and cozy in our booth.

the logic is not there most of the time. granted, a whale that comes through with the cash is always better than having to work the club. but, i've watched girls sit with someone for HOURS just to get a $300 VIP.
i find it puzzling that in the time it would take her to earn $300 (30 $10 table dances or 15 $20 couch dances) she's wasting her time kissing up to someone.

Strippers know how to add it all up. Assess the room and do some quick math and she will know if it's best to sit with the whale or work the room. It's the whole "the devil you know VS the devil you don't know" Plus, who of us wouldn't rather just hang out and bullshit instead of working.

My thoughts are that if you want to be a customer, be a customer, and if you want to be a pimp, be a pimp. Being an armchair pimp without money, physical/emotional health or freedom on the line just comes off as lame.

The old adage is a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. By that standard she would be likely to make $2000 to make turning down a sure $1000 worthwhile.

If she entertains 10 guys with FIV for 10 minutes each and only 3 of them know how to wash their hands first, the resulting smell might limit her to only 1 or 2 guys being willing to spend any money the next night.

If she spent the entire evening with a whale who knew how to wash his hands and got the same $1000, she could be clean and fresh and in demand the next night. Not to mention the 0 rejections getting to the $1000 with a whale compared to 35-50 if she had to work the floor hard the whole night.

Most of them would rather have the whale. No working the room. No rejections. No guess work as to whether they have money.

Otoh, I'm with joeweber. Why some strippers sit with guys that aren't even whales for so long is mind boggling.

The vast majority of dancers would chose the whale because it's less work. There will be plenty of time to circulate when she is whaleless.

"Is it smart for them for ignore the 20 people that want to get dances from them and could potentially be regulars in the future?"

I 100% agree and this irraitates the hell out of me. But there is difference between a whale and a guy with a couple dollars. Whales actually spend money and are probably good for more than whatever she could get out of those 20 guys(remember she's won't get anything out of some of them). I would expect her to ignore everyone else for a true whale. But real whales are rare in strip clubs. Most of these guys are baby whales at most.

From a business standpoint, it is better to go after the whale. But outside of heavy tourist and convention cities such as Las Vegas, Miami, or Los Angeles, real whales are not all that common like chessmaster said.

When I go to a strip club I bring hundreds of dollars and I want to spend it. The clubs in Ft. Myers make that impossible. The attractive girls are locked down with guys getting no dances, buying no drinks, making no money. WTF? Is this your job, out are you just socializing?

Most would easily pick the whale.

Far less work.

Notice I said she has to be with her whale for her ENTIRE shift. From the moment she starts her shift to the moment she ends. While I understand going for the sure thing, it's not a sure thing that the whale is gonna spend big every time. But then again it's not a sure thing you will make a lot of money if you walk the room.

By TUSCL's standards I would probably be considered a whale. My girls don't leave my side until I leave. I tell them they're free to walk the room, but they refuse, and they just stay with me. It blows my mind how much potential money they're missing out on. Granted I pay them well, but I don't always spend big.

If I was a stripper and you told me I could make $1,000 walking the room, or $1,000 with one guy, I would choose the 2nd option, because I gotta be a business woman and think about all the potential new regulars I could pick up by walking the room.

Nina- it sounds like you prefer your past clubs to the club you're working at now?

Whale +1.

Fetti made me think of something, Larry lives in LA so I'm sure he does indeed see quite a few whales. In that case, yes. They definitely prefer the whale to working the room.

Those guys who try to make this some spreadsheet analysis, where she could make more if she just sold X dances to Y guys, fail to grasp the fact that she has no idea whether she can sell those dances to that number of guys. Strip clubs are highly uncertain environments. They also fail to grasp the human elements, including the difficulty that some girls have making a lot of small sales to a large number of guys. Unless you've actually had to sell big ticket items for a living, you have no idea how difficult and exhausting it can actually be.

So with all of that said, there is most certainly a great deal of value in locking down a decent take for the night. I've locked girls down for far less, more by default than intent.

Whale +1 Whale OTC (skip the club completely) +3 ^^ same spend, though. ^^ assuming the whale is not mentally exhausting.

See also - tuscl.net

Some of you aren't understanding the question. I'm saying if she knew she would make the same amount of money sticking with a whale or walking the room.

Larry, Still whale

"Nina- it sounds like you prefer your past clubs to the club you're working at now?"

I strongly prefer the club I'm at now because the earning potential without regulars is much greater.

Whale, hands down. I can't imagine it's even remotely close ... and I"m betting you'd see where your analysis went wrong if you even had to work a club one night

Whale because:

• $1000 guaranteed vs. no guarantee of anything, she has no idea how much she'll make "walking the room"

• Presumably whale treats her nicely, vs taking shit and getting dances from obnoxious, handsy, drunk, try-to-stick-their-finger-up-her-ass douchebags.

• She blows off that whale one time, the whale will find a new ATF, and she's out her reliable $1000/week from the whale. She's not just out one night. If the whale is anything like me, either she sticks with him when he's there, or he's moving on, it's not like he doesn't have every other stripper in the place competing for his attention.

Yes they would still prefer the whale.

Don't discourage strippers from hanging out with whales. Old rich guys need love too.

Well I know of the girls that did OTC if you offered them the same for a night of OTC versus what they would make in the club on an average night they would pick the OTC. At least that's how it was for a RICH STUD such as myself. Not sure if the same would hold true for everyone.

I know I'm considered a whale where I go. For the past few months I've spent most of my time with the same girl, but the dynamics are changing. It's hard to keep seeing the same value for the same money, is what I'm finding. I spend the same, but things grow stale. I guess the only plus side is that if it ends, I'll save some money until I find a new one. I would imagine having a regular whale is in their interests, however.

My other concern is that I'm not sure you can keep going to the same club after dropping a CF... these girls can be catty, I can see one trying to tarnish your reputation.

Whale != Regular. It is possible to be a whale and see a NEW/DIFFERENT dancer each time he or she goes. A whale is a whale because of the money but because of the monogomy.

Ah Dominic, even better.

The OP's talking about a new whale, not a regular/hooked whale. Still, she'll go with the whale as it's possible to turn him to hooked meat. The exception is if she averages close to what the whale's paying or if she's got a handful of baby whale regulars that she could potentially lose. Key word regulars.

Entirely hypothetical, as in who the hell spends 6 hours in a club ? I'm sure some people have, but many if not most customers don't. Furthermore, how many people spend $1K in a club ? Then, as some posters have pointed out, dancers can be locked down for much less than $1K. Also that locking down the dancer for a few hours in the club is merely a prelude to interesting things OTC.

To answer OP's question, I think most any dancer will go with a whale. Sure thing, less work, etc. I don't think it is necessarily the smartest thing to do long term, but how many dancers think beyond the latest "due" bill. So called "whale" may be a wealthy out of towner who maybe comes once a month, or maybe 3-4 times per year. Meanwhile, several of those "loser non-whales" may be a reliable once a week (or more) customer. While not spending as much as the whale, they can be counted on for a good chunk of $$ more consistently. Dancers need customers to pick up the slack when the whale isn't in town. If a guy gets too many blue ball nights with a whale dancer, they'll gravitate to alternative dancers on whale night as well as slack nights.

I recall a visit many years ago where Dancer A, and at least 2 other dancers were locked down by 1 guy at a table. All they did was give him a back rub the whole frigging hour or so I was there. No LD's/VIP for that guy. I got maybe 1 mediocre dance before bailing. Several weeks later, I have another trip into town, and Dancer A is almost crying crocodile tears. No Mr. Whale tonight (I never saw him again in the club for the next 5 plus years of regular trips there.) I said, no thanks, I'm going with Dancer B, and C tonight. Karma can be a bitch.

I would imagine that while they work the room they are hoping to land a whale. If they have it guaranteed, why work the room?

Whale for sure.

But Nina splits her time between whales.

The whale is a no brainer. Exceptions would be an extras club, an incredibly packed club or .. . It is pretty hard to earn $200 / hr just selling lap dances and stage tips. Moreover in some clubs the house charges $5-10 per ld, the VIP room there are charges. There are no extra charges getting tipped for time. In a heavily extras club women can make way more money than $160 / hr.

As far as recruiting regulars, recruiting regulars is something women do when they aren't busy.

LDK, you do realize that the meaning of "locked down" is that she is isn't available to others, no? If she was doing that then we wouldn't be having this discussion. And good luck with that. Most of these chicks know better than to leave a known whale alone to stew and to be wooed by other girls so that she can pick up $20 to 40 to help a small spender cum in his own pants. :)

-->" Entirely hypothetical, as in who the hell spends 6 hours in a club ?"

--Slinks away and hopes no one notices-- :) lol ... Actually most of my trips are in the 3-5 hour range, but I've done some marathon trips that lasted longer. But in most cases, I have my buddies with me; there's only one stripper I've ever done 6-hour-long trips alone with

-->"Then, as some posters have pointed out, dancers can be locked down for much less than $1K. Also that locking down the dancer for a few hours in the club is merely a prelude to interesting things OTC."

Abso-fucking-lutely. On the slow dayshifts I go to, it's very common -- as in, 90+% of my trips -- that I can lock a stripper down for 4 hours for 2 VIPS ($200) plus the cost of food and booze for the two of us ($100). I pity you poor nightshift guys... or rather, you nightshift guys who are poor :)

I think most dancers would want to be locked down by a whale the entire shift, unless he was weird or something. I usually ask the dancers how their night is going and they talk about it. I look around the room and let's say the ratio of dancers to men is 1:3, but nobody is really buying dances. In my opinion after one walk of the floor they're probably like wtf now.

Maybe this is a bad example, but a visit this week and the ratio of dancers to men was probably 2:1 with only about 6 guys in the club. I'm no whale, but a fav of mine made sure to go to the bathroom when I went and everything. Why? It was a good chance nothing else was going to develop on the floor and probably didn't want another dancer to swoop in.

Given the choice between sitting on their ass for $$$ or actually walking around hustling, do you really need to ask which one a typical stripper would prefer?