How do you play it?
day_trader
Ontario
Tuesday, July 19, 2016 7:49 PM
How do you guys ask for that initial otc date? Do you take the civie approach and simply ask for a date or do you ask in respectful way that you will pay for her time? The civie approach is likely to be less successful. The last three strippers I asked out agreed, without me bringing up money, so I must be doing something right. The first one told me how much she wanted to take her out, the second one texted me up for a date (too bad it is not always easy like that) and the third is currently a work in progress.
The stripper who is a work in progress, I met her last year, but unfortunately I haven't ran into her too much since. My last couple of club visits she did happen to be there, told her I wanted to hang out and she agreed, and exchanged numbers. Asked her out a couple of weeks ago on a Thursday night, she declined saying it was her first night of work for the week, believable I guess. Will try again in a couple weeks, I'm busy till then, and see what happens. If that is a bust as well, I would be willing to give her one more chance after that. If still no dice cut my losses and move on.
Pros and cons on which ever way you decide to go. Which way has been more successful for you?
The stripper who is a work in progress, I met her last year, but unfortunately I haven't ran into her too much since. My last couple of club visits she did happen to be there, told her I wanted to hang out and she agreed, and exchanged numbers. Asked her out a couple of weeks ago on a Thursday night, she declined saying it was her first night of work for the week, believable I guess. Will try again in a couple weeks, I'm busy till then, and see what happens. If that is a bust as well, I would be willing to give her one more chance after that. If still no dice cut my losses and move on.
Pros and cons on which ever way you decide to go. Which way has been more successful for you?
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I'm serious -- I'm not really an OTC guy, but my first OTC girl asked me in December (three hotel room BJs so far) and the second suggested it at the end of our first VIP room, after hanging out for hours the day before. It hasn't actually happened yet with the second girl (she immediately disappeared for months) but I'm confident that it will.
Anyway, that aside, I typically just ask them if they want to hang out outside the club ... and then, at some point in the subsequent conversation, I make my intentions known either obliquely ("we'll go drinking downtown, then maybe hit a strip club, then head to the hotel room"), or sometimes just tell her outright, so there's no doubt in her mind what she's agreeing to. Sometimes we talk price, sometimes we don't -- I realize it's a risk, but it's not terribly uncommon that I meet her, we hang out, have sex, then talk price. It's always worked out really well for me, but there's certain a risk that we'll have a horrible disagreement on the price -- like I had $250 in mind, and she had $1000. Never happened to me, but did happen to one of my buddies once.
But also note that though it is very direct, it is still a completely civilian approach.
I always treat all women as civilians, and in all situations. I never talk to them as though they are persons who sell sex for money, and I never try to use money to persuade them.
So my approach would always have a similarity to what Carolynne posted, though it usually would not be as bold.
But any mention of money would have to start with the girl. She may do it indirectly, but it still has to come from her.
And then, there are lots of ways of agreeing to that and of giving her money, which do not make it look like it is overtly P4P.
I find that this always gives the best results.
Where I learned this was from reading an issue of Hustler Magazine, decades ago. They talked about prostitution, and they considered 3 venues, Street, Escorts, AMPs. This was back when strip clubs were no touching.
They explained that you should never treat a prostitute differently than you would any other woman. If you like her appearance, they mentioned her tits, you should let her know.
I took this to heart and I always treat all women as civilians.
So for example in AMPs, I never offer them money or try to talk them into doing anything. I just treat it like a first date, and try to make it happen. Often enough the girl is blown away by this and I get a full throttle GFE experience and it is mind blowing for both parties. And in AMPs this is not the norm.
I only get into discussion of sex acts of money if it starts from the girl.
So this is of course legally safer for her, because by the time money gets discussed, a makeout session is already underway. And sometimes even then they don't discuss money, though they will still get it handed to them at the end anyway.
And then in our local strip clubs, strictly no touching, they tend to get along with me because I never ever treat them like prostitutes. Usually if wires get crossed, it is because I am not doing what they want, which is taking them home with me.
SJG
b) if it's just P4P either b/c that's what you want or the only way to get her; then just ask her similar to how you would ask for a dance - e.g. "can I see you outside the club?" or even more directly "can I have sex w/ you outside the club?" - it's just asking for sex like any guy would that's somewhat involved w/ a chick - it really does not matter how you ask - if she's into it then she's down and if she's not then asking her nicely or beating around the bush is not gonna solve anything - some dances are all for it and all you gotta do is ask; some are on the fence and it may take a few more ITC visits and they may or may not; and many are just flat-out against it - for the most-part they either do or don't; it's more of a business decision and asking in a particular way is not necessarily what makes it happen or not happen
Many SC newbies seem to think they gotta "pick up" strippers or somehow win them over and convince them like in the civvy world - just like you don't have to convince them or "win them over" for them to grind on you nude and let you grope them for $$$; similarly you don't have convince them or "win them over" for them to do other things for $$$; some do and some don't just like their are women willing to strip and women that are not.
SJG
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As Dougster says, best approach is "Just Ask". Strippers are sex workers who get asked to fuck quite often. They won't be offended.
@JohnSmith69.. Found your dream stripper system post, informative with lots of good comments.
@Subraman.. "Date" is just a term I used, I have no interest in dating or being a bf to a stripper, fucking them is always the end goal. I pretty much take the same approach as you, but I'd rather know how much it's going to be before going out. How much did your buddy end up paying?
@Juicebox69.. Hmmm does this system involve wearing a three-piece suit? lol.
@Carolynne.. Very rarely do I go for the 2am pickup. Have to plan things in advance with my busy schedule. However, there are times when I meet an out of town stripper who may not be around long, going for the bang that same night may be the only way, will use your line next time I'm in that situation. lol.
@San_Jose_Guy.. Letting her bring up the money conversation sounds like a good idea.
@Papi_Chulo.. Good points. Think most guys on here just have a preference on how they do things.
@HungryGiraffe.. I normally don't gift, could be something worth trying.
Too often, "compromise prices" lead to sub-par service.