How do you play it?

I wait for them to ask me :)

I'm serious -- I'm not really an OTC guy, but my first OTC girl asked me in December (three hotel room BJs so far) and the second suggested it at the end of our first VIP room, after hanging out for hours the day before. It hasn't actually happened yet with the second girl (she immediately disappeared for months) but I'm confident that it will.

A few months back I posted my detailed system for fucking dream strippers which sets forth my preferred manner of asking the OTC question of the most desirable strippers. I'm too high to find or remember the details but I'm sure it's most likely pretty good.

Maybe just my OCD kicking in, but I cringe every time you type "date". Makes me wonder if, even if just subconsciously, you think of it that way. Even JS69, who uses romantic terms like "dream strippers", doesn't call it his dating system for dream strippers or use civilian dating terms like "asked out" -- it's his system for fucking strippers, not dating them. I don't think anything good can happen from thinking of these as dates.

Anyway, that aside, I typically just ask them if they want to hang out outside the club ... and then, at some point in the subsequent conversation, I make my intentions known either obliquely ("we'll go drinking downtown, then maybe hit a strip club, then head to the hotel room"), or sometimes just tell her outright, so there's no doubt in her mind what she's agreeing to. Sometimes we talk price, sometimes we don't -- I realize it's a risk, but it's not terribly uncommon that I meet her, we hang out, have sex, then talk price. It's always worked out really well for me, but there's certain a risk that we'll have a horrible disagreement on the price -- like I had $250 in mind, and she had $1000. Never happened to me, but did happen to one of my buddies once.

You just ask.

It takes more than just asking. Look I know a guy that sells a system. If you give me $500 I can introduce you to him

I prefer a guy taking the direct approach, like "I've been watching you all night and you really make me hot. Can I take you to a hotel and fuck you so long and hard that you pass out?" Works every time.

^^^^^^ The above sounds great to me!

But also note that though it is very direct, it is still a completely civilian approach.

I always treat all women as civilians, and in all situations. I never talk to them as though they are persons who sell sex for money, and I never try to use money to persuade them.

So my approach would always have a similarity to what Carolynne posted, though it usually would not be as bold.

But any mention of money would have to start with the girl. She may do it indirectly, but it still has to come from her.

And then, there are lots of ways of agreeing to that and of giving her money, which do not make it look like it is overtly P4P.

I find that this always gives the best results.

Where I learned this was from reading an issue of Hustler Magazine, decades ago. They talked about prostitution, and they considered 3 venues, Street, Escorts, AMPs. This was back when strip clubs were no touching.

They explained that you should never treat a prostitute differently than you would any other woman. If you like her appearance, they mentioned her tits, you should let her know.

I took this to heart and I always treat all women as civilians.

So for example in AMPs, I never offer them money or try to talk them into doing anything. I just treat it like a first date, and try to make it happen. Often enough the girl is blown away by this and I get a full throttle GFE experience and it is mind blowing for both parties. And in AMPs this is not the norm.

I only get into discussion of sex acts of money if it starts from the girl.

So this is of course legally safer for her, because by the time money gets discussed, a makeout session is already underway. And sometimes even then they don't discuss money, though they will still get it handed to them at the end anyway.

And then in our local strip clubs, strictly no touching, they tend to get along with me because I never ever treat them like prostitutes. Usually if wires get crossed, it is because I am not doing what they want, which is taking them home with me.

SJG

I just make offer of $200

Just be direct no dating bs.

a) if you wanna date her as a civvy then ask her how you would a civvy - "hey would you like to grab some dinner some time"; etc.

b) if it's just P4P either b/c that's what you want or the only way to get her; then just ask her similar to how you would ask for a dance - e.g. "can I see you outside the club?" or even more directly "can I have sex w/ you outside the club?" - it's just asking for sex like any guy would that's somewhat involved w/ a chick - it really does not matter how you ask - if she's into it then she's down and if she's not then asking her nicely or beating around the bush is not gonna solve anything - some dances are all for it and all you gotta do is ask; some are on the fence and it may take a few more ITC visits and they may or may not; and many are just flat-out against it - for the most-part they either do or don't; it's more of a business decision and asking in a particular way is not necessarily what makes it happen or not happen

strip-clubs are places of sex and business/$$$ - they are not the real-world and often times trying to apply "real world" techniques it's the old trying to fit the round peg in a square hole.

Many SC newbies seem to think they gotta "pick up" strippers or somehow win them over and convince them like in the civvy world - just like you don't have to convince them or "win them over" for them to grind on you nude and let you grope them for $$$; similarly you don't have convince them or "win them over" for them to do other things for $$$; some do and some don't just like their are women willing to strip and women that are not.

It still helps to treat them like civilians, even if they are accustomed to otherwise. It still makes a very good impression.

SJG

What If Women Ruled The World? pmpress.org

Most players on here don't talk about giving gifts to strippers. Even though I'm sure many do. It's a nice gesture for a planned second visit to see a potential OTC playmate at the club. The Law of Reciprocity starts to play out even with the simplest "thoughtful" gift. Of course these trinkets are on top of VIP sessions or multiple dances.

As Dougster says, best approach is "Just Ask". Strippers are sex workers who get asked to fuck quite often. They won't be offended.

@MrDeuce.. A buddy of mine works the same approach as you and is very successful at it. He is more of a regular than me and often gets below market rates.

@JohnSmith69.. Found your dream stripper system post, informative with lots of good comments.

@Subraman.. "Date" is just a term I used, I have no interest in dating or being a bf to a stripper, fucking them is always the end goal. I pretty much take the same approach as you, but I'd rather know how much it's going to be before going out. How much did your buddy end up paying?

@Juicebox69.. Hmmm does this system involve wearing a three-piece suit? lol.

@Carolynne.. Very rarely do I go for the 2am pickup. Have to plan things in advance with my busy schedule. However, there are times when I meet an out of town stripper who may not be around long, going for the bang that same night may be the only way, will use your line next time I'm in that situation. lol.

@San_Jose_Guy.. Letting her bring up the money conversation sounds like a good idea.

@Papi_Chulo.. Good points. Think most guys on here just have a preference on how they do things.

@HungryGiraffe.. I normally don't gift, could be something worth trying.

day: My buddy stood firm -- he paid her $200, she expected $600-$800! She was furious and never spoke to him again. But from my buddy's perspect, he got what he wanted and paid exactly what he wanted, so he didn't care. I go with a different philosophy, if we're apart on expectations, and she'd really blown me away, I would consider a compromise price. No fucking way I'm paying $800, but I might compromise.

With regard to "compromise pricing," I don't generally bother. If her price is higher than I want to pay, my response is simply, "Ok, thanks but I'll pass today," or something like it. If I think she's just fishing, I might try something like "That's outside of my budget, I'm afraid," and see if she comes down to my range.

Too often, "compromise prices" lead to sub-par service.