Overcharging Dancer

decline because that ain't the price. You fill a hoe's ego if you just accept what she tells you. And egos never turned out to be a good thing.

I have mixed feelings. Have done both.

I have overpaid sometimes because she's what I need and "oh well" she wants more. A bit of Free enterprise.

I have declined because I don't like the general practice of over-charging. Just like I have been side-sweeped by "raining" whales - and feel the pain - I get sensitive not to price out fellow gentlemen. On the principle of discouraging price gouging - I decline. A bit of Brotherhood Camaraderie.

Piggly Wiggly was the first grocery store to have items marked with prices.

Some strip clubs are like the Piggly Wiggly and have signs to tell management you were overcharged.

Others operate as true independent contractors and charge what the market will bear.

What kind of club was this. If Bag Boy Jsmes works there - I already know the answer

I would pass. No point in running up the price of pussy.

If she's good enough, she'll get a tip above what the dance price is at the end. If she provides extra fun that she'll deliver on and she wants to negotiate a set price for a tip before hand that she will get afterwards, then that'll work too.

But the per dance price is the dance price. You get to decide if her dances are worth more than everyone else's, not the other way around. If she can't accept that, then she doesn't get any of my money.

Nothing is absolute except death & Juice eating KFC - having said this I normally pass in principle & in part b/c I'm into variety big-time and almost just as easy for me to pass & go onto the next dancer.

Having said this part deux, I have on occassion capitulated b/c my PL curiosity has gotten the best of me.

IME often times dancers that claim/think they're the shit hardly ever are, but SCs are like a box of chocolates ...

I'd say give her a try if you really find her desirable, the cost of one dance is often the cost of doing SC-biz, she's either worth if or she's not & you didn't really lose much & had your curiosity satisfied, IMO.

Pass

Pass, like just about all of us, I've run into dancers who quote more than the normal price. I can't recall paying the higher price, as I figured, it was a ripoff attempt.

Depends. If she is, in fact, what I need, I might. Whether I'd tip at the end is another question. Probably not, unless she was *exactly* what I need.

If she is a clear cut above the rest of her competition and I knew ahead of time her dances are good, i would pay the higher price. In this case it depends on if I have gotten a dance from her before or if dances are on the main floor or an open lapdance area so i can observe her dances beforehand.

Theoretically, in the luxuriant confines of my computer room, I'd say that I'd consider how much hotter she is than the rest of the girls, and make a risk/reward decision.

In real life, I think I've said "no" to these girls 100% of the time, or nearly so. It works directly against my interest to encourage such behavior, and based on reviews (back when there was a local review site), these girls rarely fail to disappoint. There's almost always another girl who charges the going price and is willing to work to earn any extra tip she makes.

Then again, this isn't a situation I run into in my main clubs, where I tend to sit with a girl for an easy 45 minutes to an hour before we do our first VIP. I've NEVER been asked for more than the going rate at my "home" clubs, and I've been going there for 7 years now. But it's probably the case that a girl who is willing to sit with me for 45 minutes, without any pre-existing promise of an eventual payoff, is not that kind of hustler, anyway. And if she were -- hell, the moment she says to me "my VIPs cost $120", well, she will have wasted the previous hour because I'm just not going for it, and I stop trusting her the moment that comes out of her mouth . I have heard these kinds of things in some of the other clubs I go to, where the girls won't ever sit around that long.

If you really have to have her, then yes. However in my opinion, I could wait for any of a dozen other dancers who look pretty good and not pay extra just because one girl gets away with it. It's just a matter of evaluating your time versus benefits you get from one dancer versus another. If your time is worth money and it's going to take you another hour or two to find a dancer you like just as well when you could have spent an extra little to start with, then you could have had all that earlier. I have paid a little extra to a dancer before because I knew none of the others looked as good and she knew it too. Other times a dancer may think she's it and I don't or I'm not that interested. Depends how much extra she wants up front for just a lap dance.

Motor, in central texas clubs have an advertised price for dances (& specials) - but dancers are independent contractors.

I'm like Papi and GMD - depending on the state of my PL-ness I yield sometimes - but mostly pass on principle. Don't wanna run up the "price of pussy", as Shadowcat states.

-->" It's just a matter of evaluating your time versus benefits you get from one dancer versus another. If your time is worth money and it's going to take you another hour or two to find a dancer you like just as well when you could have spent an extra little to start with, then you could have had all that earlier."

Shark, I can't argue with that ... I just feel like a simple time vs benefits isn't the whole story. I really think there are two other things to keep in mind:

1. Rewarding a girl who charges more works against your own self-interest in the long term. I guarantee you the other girls know what she's charging and are watching whether guys pay it. The only saving grace is that usually, it's the best-looking girls who pull this, so it's out of reach of most of the others...

2. But that brings up the other problem, and that is, it seems like the girls who charge more in this way are always doing it on the basis of looks, never on service -- in fact, as I said above, based on the no-defunct review boards, it was nearly a LOCK that you'd be underwhelmed by the service these girls give.

I'll add to that the empowering feeling of telling an incredibly hot but over-entitled girl "no", and you have some stronger motivations to think about, other than just time vs benefits IMO. It would be a different story if I found out one of these price-uplifters actually did it because her service was that much better than everyone else's...

I like the idea of price flexibility because usually it means that dancers offer price breaks during slower periods. The two times I paid more than the going rate for a dance, they were about half as good as the dances offered by the dancers who were asking the usual amount or offering deals.

Usually, I go in with a budget, so how the dancer prices dances is a big factor in how long we spend together. If she is doing 2-for-1s the whole time, I would normally spend twice as long getting dances rather than e.g., setting a limit of 4 dances regardless of price. It is also a pretty nice incentive to stay with that dancer and look for her on return visits.

If everything about a dancer, including the price of her dances, says she would rather be anywhere else, that's not exactly a recipe for a good experience. I have had it work out to counteroffer though - sometimes after she worked the floor for a while and came back because no one else was biting, either. The negotiated price would usually stick for future visits, too, as long as I asked would it be $x again?

Someone posted the other day that a dancer quoted a higher price, but her dances were much better than what the others were offering. If a dancer's front room approach made it pretty clear that would be the case, I would counteroffer a lower amount, but maybe take her up on it. It is a big maybe, though, and would depend not only how she rated compared to the girls in the club I was in, but also to the talent at other clubs in driving distance.

-->"The two times I paid more than the going rate for a dance, they were about half as good as the dances offered by the dancers who were asking the usual amount or offering deals."

That is EXACTLY what I expect. Charging more is an automatic tipoff that you're about to receive lower service. Not all the time, but it's a flashing yellow light

-->"Someone posted the other day that a dancer quoted a higher price, but her dances were much better than what the others were offering. "

Then it definitely becomes more of a discussion... just not always easy to get g-2 in advance that her dances are worth the uplift

I recall a discussion with a very hot dancer years ago that wanted double the club rate, she just had a superior entitled attitude. I was as attracted to her as any dancer ever and even though i was thinking that attitude would prevail in private i offered the going rate. She declined and i passed on her. I don't care how hot they may be, i refuse to let them play me.
There have been several times when dancers try to charge me more after the dances. I refuse and just pay the going rate and the fact that they tried to overcharge me killed any possibility of them getting a tip then or any future business from me.

It's ironic that someone who claims to throw over $100 at a girl just to make it rain is saying he would pass.

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I missed that, who's that?

Larryfisherman

^Larryfisherman

Fish must be biting :D

On second thought I would pay it just out of curiosity and like somebody else said probably no too afterward if the dance is lackluster. She can't get a lot of second dances based on her looks alone.

^tip*. No clue why autocorrect changes my words even when i spell it right.

To answer the question: I generally pass. However, like others, I've paid over going rate before. It's been rare, and I don't have the memory of a strong feeling either way. Meaning, it couldn't have been that bad or I'd have bad memory of it, or the opposite. So, it must have been in the neighborhood. Usually, the girls who ask for above market prices for dances aren't the girls I'm interested in anyway. I'm usually not their target customer either. So, all in all it probably saves us both time/money.

Asking for more than the club rate isn't overcharging though. Overcharging would be demanding more than agreed somehow. What your describing is more having higher than usual rates. Whatever you call it, I don't mind isolated cases of it too much, but if it becomes the norm it can get annoying. I'm seeing a lot of that at Tootsies and now Diamond Dolls down here. It really kills my mood when I'm chatting with a girl for a while and then get hit with higher than expected rates for dances or rooms. Particularly so if I've bought a drink or two.

I tip generously for good service but I hate being asked for extra money (or worse being told that I owe extra money). I would therefore refuse unless I was so in lust with her that I wanted to play with her in the future.

I get a sense of entitlement from an over-charger; and this leads me to think that she may also feel entitled not to give good-service/mileage - "hey - look at me - I'm hot - I can charge more and I don't feel I have to do more - in fact I feel I'm so hot that not only I can charge more but also do less" - def not saying this is always the case and that there aren't dancers that do in-fact deliver super-service for the higher price; but in my mind and limited experience more often than not they feel they deserve more $$$ *just* b/c they are hot and not necessarily b/c they provide better service.

^thats usually the only reason they can get away with it. if you have not seen her lap dances, you're going off looks alone and a lot of infrequent or one time customers will bite because they dont know any better or figure that will only happen once and shes the hottest dancer in the club so fuck it.

-->"a lot of infrequent or one time customers will bite because they dont know any better "

Exactly. This is the hot-girl equivalent of the front-door vulture tactic. The front door vultures -- every club has them -- are the girls who have no regulars but who grab guys very shortly after they come in the front door, offering to take them on a tour or whatever. Those girls can make serious bank, they basically specialize in getting disoriented guys (especially newbies) who just walked in, swiftly into the back. The guys always come back out looking unhappy, but the front door vulture is already on to the next group of guys. We veterans don't ever go with them, because their reviews are uniformly shit or outright ROB. But the girls have a brilliant hustle for disoriented newbies who just walked in the door.

Anyway, these girls who charge an uplift aren't front door specialists, they're girls who are so hot that they can charge guys more and get away with it ... even though, in most cases, service is sub-par or at best unexceptional. Given their hotness, if they were a little more customer-service oriented, they'd bank, but they're not interested in that ... they're just interested in being paid more for their mediocre efforts, because they're prettier than most girls.

Anyway, two types of hustles I avoid

I've seen one dancer who I'll rate a 9 keep getting customers to bite at the normal lap dance price of now 30 per song. I did bite with her on that a couple of times, was actually 25 per song when I did but that immediately followed a two for one she did with me. When I first met her she asked if I worked out and if I went to a particular gym or not. Made me wonder if I might meet her or similar. Those gyms are an hour away so I'm not too interested in visiting just to find out. I did see one dancer show up at a club briefly after I asked about regular sports bars or clubs in the area. She actually walked up to me at the bar and talked a bit before asking if she would see me at the regular club.

I remember a couple of very hot dancers a few years back who worked a couple months at Platinum. I would have rated them a 9.5 at th time. I was getting pretty good lap dances from several good looking dancers at two for 30 or two for 20 on occasion, no tip expected. These dancers approached me and wanted two for 50. No thanks. A couple of times one of the girls sat her customer right next to the spot I often got dances from a dancer or two. Her dances were not anything special. In fact I was laughing inside at her dance.

She told her guy to sit back in the sofa and don't be afraid and not to move. She ran across the lap dance room and did a flying flip landing her head upside down on the sofa right in front of the guys crotch. One mistake and it might have been painful. Priobably scared the guy. Lol.

I'm with JS on this one. I don't mind paying more, but it hate being asked for more.

Papi speeks sense here. I rarely seek out the hottest dancer at the club because my previous experiences have shown that many get away with getting paid extremely well just because they are hot, and they don't give much mileage. They have learned that they don't have to. I'm more into spending time and $ on strippers from whom I get a good vibe.