Over 50 dead in US nightclub, 50 more injured
I just turned on the news. Hearing reports others are crossing over our southern borders in addition to just the regular illegal aliens setting up terror cells across the country. Thanks to Ovama and our former Secretary of State Hillary for securing our borders so well.
My condolences if anyone knows someone. I suspect this will be just a beginning of terror attacks on this nation. If you can't even stop little kids from crossing the border, we likely have thousands of terrorists here already.
My condolences if anyone knows someone. I suspect this will be just a beginning of terror attacks on this nation. If you can't even stop little kids from crossing the border, we likely have thousands of terrorists here already.
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I thought something like this was coming to the US with all of our open borders. I still think it will get a lot worse. Unfortunately.
You can count on Obama and Hillary to blame guns and to try to disarm law abiding people so that we will have future massacres. That has been the foolishness of our current leaders. Only illegals will have weapons. The police won't be able to get there in time. Just my opinion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/13/us/orl…
Get a grip @Shark. At least wait until the facts are in.
This has nothing to do with politics Shark, stop your rambling.
Here is proof ISIS was behind the attacks.
http://shoebat.com/2016/06/09/major-musl…
ISIS announced plans to attack about 3 days ago. I also read 8000 Americans are on a hit list.
http://www.people.com/article/orlando-ma…
Witnesses say he shouted “Allahu Akbar” during the shooting rampage
Yup sounds like a "homophobic Republican" to me.
As far as talking politics, in my opinion the whole Obama administration including Hillary as a former Secretary of State are responsible for allowing ISIS to rise to power and not doing much about it. Go ahead and vote for more same ol same ol and everything will likely get worse. My opinion but I guess not many care to hear what I think is the truth. I told someone the other day, tell the truth and people hate the message or hate you. The democrats want to take away guns making us like France. I guess France has no problems with terrorists do they? Too much political correctness. Americans are getting massacred staying politically correct. People with foreign relatives by blood or foreign born should have much tougher requirements to own assault rifles and explosives in my opinion so in that way, I might slightly agree with gun control. Especially if the relatives are from countries labeled as terrorist or with terrorists. It's always about politics in this country if you want to help prevent another tragedy. Otherwise we just accept the status quo. I didn't put much thought into my first posts but since someone wanted to complain about my posts instead of starting their own just saying their condolences and ignore mine, I'm posting again.
I'd like to stop mass shootings as well so please let's be civil.
Why is it called homophobic? Aren't phobias fears?
And yes, radical Islamists do hate homosexuals because it is contrary to Sharia law. Just because it is cosidered a homosexual hate crime doesn't mean it isn't islamic terrorism.
Calling it a hate crime is just a way to divert attention away from the islamic connection.
(1) Trump is fanning the flames of Islamophobia (so what else is new?)
(2) The LGBT community is looking at the shooting as a horrible hate-crime, staged during Pride month.
(3) Obama and others are looking at this from the standpoint of gun-control and keeping AR-15s out of the hands of crazy nuts. We've now had about 1000 mass shootings since Sandy Hook.
(4) As an example of domestic terrorism. Maybe other Muslim US citizens will be recruited by ISIS in future acts of terrorism. How to you fight something like that?
Ban guns from all muslims or further compromise, ban guns from those with possible Middle East terrorism ties. Also ban items that could cause explosions. We can't really afford as a nation to put cops and metal detectors in every place of business or school around the country and a gun ban won't work when we can't even stop kids from crossing our southern border. If we need to water down the compromise even more, if you're on a terror watch list and you have ties to middle eastern countries, no guns allowed. Declare it a war on the west Radical Islam versus the Western freedom of ideas etc. and call it a war action to remove weapons from potential enemy combatants.
Very good analysis of the 4 points.
I watched a lot of the coversge yesterday and your summary is spot on.
I lean right - but I will admit it's a tough call. He was a U.S. citizen and there is the freedom of speech. But you can't throw his ass in jail for making pro-Muslim comments on facebook.
It sure does seem that the smart guys at Microsoft or Google could create an app to flag his gun purchase on the spot if he's already on radar.
THe press continues to lie about "Assault Rifles." The AR 15 designation refers to a registered trademark of Colt Arms who bought a rifle design from ARmalite in 1960. Colt originated the M-16, but that is a very different weapon from the SEMI-automatic sporting rifles sold in the US civilian market.
The modern definition of an Assault rifle, or more accurately, a combat weapon, must include the ability to fire in fully automatic mode. There are no fully automatic rifles available for retail sale in the US. What Hillary and Barrack call "assault weapons" are an entire class of hundreds of different makes and models of modern firearms that "look" dangerous to liberals who are afraid of guns.
The real facts are very different.
1> Early info indicates that the Orlando terrorist used a Remington semi-automatic rifle. Remington does not sell anything with the designation AR (again, AR-15 is a Colt trademark). The weapon used was a semi-automatic rifle.
2> Rifles are NOT "the weapon of choice" for mass murderers! The crazy kid in Connecticut did murder his mother and steal her semi automatic rifle - but he didn't use it in the school. The crazed shooter in the Colorado movie house used a shotgun and pistols even though he was carrying a semi-automatic rifle. Crazy people and terrorists use just about anything to do harm. Explosives are apparently "first choice" for terrorists.
3> Rifles (of all kinds, not just semi-automatic rifles) are used in the murders of fewer than 200 people in the USA every year. Hammers are used to murder people more often than rifles. People are murdered by fists more often than rifles. more people die falling off ladders than die as victims of rifle fire in the USA. After you ban hammers, knives and fists, then we can talk about banning rifles.
4> Some estimates place the number of semi-automatic rifles in private hands in the USA at over 50,000,000. Any attempt to confiscate all of those rifles will likely lead to bloodshed on a massive scale. Far too many people still believe that the second amendment still means what it says.
While it appears that the Orlando terrorist legally bought the rifle he used, that is seldom the case. The San Bernardino Islamic Terrorists used weapons illegally obtained. Some of the murders in Chicago, IL last year were committed with weapons sold by Holder and Obama's "Fast & Furious" scheme, but almost none of the 600 plus murders committed in Chicago every year are done using "legal" weapons. No weapon ban has ever worked as intended. No weapons ban in the USA will be tolerated by the majority of the population.
As sad as this incident was, it just shows how vulnerable we might be against a mere 1000 terrorists doing coordinated attacks across the country when everyone is unarmed and nothing stops a gunman from shooting up a place. If there were 10,000 terrorists acting across the country in one or two nights, the police would be overwhelmed. I'm glad Hillary has plans to bring in hundreds of thousands of people from terrorist countries. I'm sure her planning will make us all safer. Oh, plus she will disarm all the good guys. That's her plan.
I really don't know the answer.
Liberals in D.C. appear to be blaming the Remington rifle instead of the shooter, and in their mind it is the fault of the GOP.
BTW, Welcome back.
Thanks for the welcome!
But calling me a demo? Those are fighting words!
I agree that if you allow people to carry it gives a chance for people to fight back against a mass shooting but it also causes other problems. If you have multiple people that shoot back at the active shooter then it creates a ton of confusion on who the actual active shooter is, especially for police. It also increases the chances of more innocent people getting shot.
Granted there is no way to ensure that bad people can't get ahold of guns, but making it harder for them to buy them certainly doesn't do any harm. And allowing people to carry isn't going to deter any potential crazy person. The majority of these mass shooters either shoot themselves or get shot by cops, so they aren't gonna care if they get shot.
Regardless where you stand on the issue I think everyone agrees hay SOMETHING needs to be done or changed otherwise we are going to continue having these mass shootings.
When the constitution was written, the preferred firearm on this continent fired a lead ball over 3/4" in diameter from a "rifled" bore. On impact, that ball could make a head explode or rip an arm completely off a body. It caused enormous damage even at it's maximum range. In trained hands, the effective range of that weapon was almost a mile (and there are claims of sniper kills in the Carolinas during the 1780s at almost 2 miles). The "long rifle" was state of the art weaponry in its day. The round from a modern "NATO" caliber rifle is actually only 1/3 the diameter, and causes significantly less trauma.
Our founding fathers didn't "expect" the people to buy the most modern firearms available. They KNEW that people ALREADY owned the most powerful infantry weapons made. The 2nd Amendment was written to PREVENT the federal government from ever stopping the people from buying or owning "high powered guns."
People in this country certainly believed, in 1789, that individuals DID need to own modern infantry combat weapons to feel safe. One of the reasons they needed those weapons then (and many people today feel the same way) is that we might need those weapons to confront and stop an overbearing federal government. Another reason was personal defense, but not everyone could afford more than one firearm, so if you could only afford one weapon, most chose the most modern, multipurpose infantry fighting weapon they could buy.
Something you appear to be unaware of: In every "mass shooting" or potential mass shooting, where the killer was confronted by someone with a firearm - the murders stopped! That includes Orlando last Sunday. When an Orlando police officer confronted the sick Islamic Terrorist inside the club, he stopped murdering to hide and exchange fire with the officer. So far, multi-victim shootings have stopped when the shooter commits suicide, when the shooter runs out of ammo, experiences a jammed weapon, or when faced with the first opponent with a firearm. That is true of every incident that has occurred in the country. Not one time, has an innocent been killed by "friendly fire" from civilian defenders (Cops, on the other hand, have killed bystanders on occasion.)
I agree, something should be done. I suggest more people honor their obligations as a citizen and arm themselves (read the Militia Act of 1792 and the modern militia law - you are in the militia and you are obligated to own and become familiar with at least one infantry combat weapon.) I think there should be fewer "gun free" zones where crazed murderers know they will have many defenseless victims. The administration should begin aggressive efforts to destroy ISIS (a few "drone" strikes" and a short battalion in Iraq doesn't count as aggressive.). We should stomp hard on any group who threatens the US or any of its citizens. Better mental health care - including a return of inpatient long term care and detention for the mentally ill. Close our borders and be smarter about who we let in.
There is no easy answer for stopping EVERY crazed, evil murderer. Disarming Americans is the worst possible response to murderous evil.