So who do you think will be our next President?
sharkhunter
Hillary, Trump , or Bloomberg?
I'm starting to think Hillary in a tossup election.
I found it amusing tonight to hear Hillary sound like me when describing Sanders.
My favorite choice though is none of the above. I do give Trump almost 50/50 odds though.
You?
I'm starting to think Hillary in a tossup election.
I found it amusing tonight to hear Hillary sound like me when describing Sanders.
My favorite choice though is none of the above. I do give Trump almost 50/50 odds though.
You?
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My conclusion: Vote Libertarian!
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/odds-mich…
The <strike>Democrats</strike> Republicans have somehow managed to erect an Electoral College wall that is almost insurmountable to any Republican these days.
FTFY
That transcends ignorant, into downright hateful.
If it comes downs to Hillary vs Trump (the GOP is more a joke now than ever), Hillary is the obvious winner if we're being objective here.
She and her cronies want to get the world into another war so they can consolidate their power. The absolute worst thing that can happen is for congress to agree to declare "war" on ISIS because they suspend all rights and would allow whoever is president to jail all political opponents. Witness what FDR did to the Japanese-Americans and what Wilson did to German Americans in WW1. With a declaration of war all rights including Habius Corpus (LE must formally and publicly charge you or let you go) are suspended.
I am not particularly a fan of Trump but the vitriol against him by the party elite on both sides is because they fear he will be able to run things with his people and leave them out in the cold where they belong. DC is the ultimate PFP place, it is just like the Eddy Murphy movie 'The Distinguished Gentleman' where a con man cons his way to congress and find congress is full of corrupt con-men only out for themselves who are willing to lie, cheat, steal, rape, slander, and kill to keep their power. That is DC. Some go to DC with good intentions only to be water-boarded with the sewage that is DC politics and they either succumb to the slime or leave before they lose their soul.
Again we may be faced with the lesser of two evils when we vote.
I do think that Trump will not give a shit about those that want to dictate morality and leave it on a local level while Hilda-Beast will use that issue to political ends (pandering to her splinter groups to keep the country divided)
Her motto "Hate and Castrate"
I think if the GOP isn't careful, they will lose the senate as well.
Hillary:
Liar
Murderer
Incomplete Senate term
Former first lady
Disastrous term as Sec of State...rise of ISIS
Does not know the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence
Does not know or care about the Bill of Rights
Never held a job
Sells influence to hostile foreign countries for personal gain
Trump:
Asshole
Successful businessman employing tens of thousands
Tells special interests here is a quarter call someone that cares
Asshole
I don't think the Republican party is going to disappear, I believe it will change its shape, at this point the party is controlled by the isolationist, racist extremists who are a bunch of xenophobes and refuse the idea of science and human progress, I fear these types, they want to behave like the Islamists that we are having problems with and set civilization back several hundred years.
Personlly, I like Sanders the best but I understand why he scares conservatives. But his brand of socialism doesn't even come close to FDR or Nixon so the reality is that he's not very scary at all.
Clinton is a fiscal conservative, and will continue many of the policies of Obama except in foreign policy, where she will repeat the mistakes of W by stressing regime change through use of the military. Economically she will do as little as possible which has always been the GOP mantra, and rightly so if growing the economy trumps the environment and Wall Street abuse in one's mind as a moral 'good'. as a result she will not propose as many regulations on Wall Street or the environment as Obama did and we will see income inequality grow even more than under Obama. (Sometimes I wonder why conservatives hate her since outside of abortion and gay rights, most of her policies are out of the GOP playbook. Oh...she's a woman...is that it?)
Trump...well no one knows do they. He used to be a Democratic liberal; to the left of Obama even. Times have changed so what he does is anybody's guess. He certainly will use the FBI and to a lesser extent the CIA as his own personal secret police. He will issue executive orders as his primary tool of governing like Obama has. He admits he will expand government like W did. (Government is now smaller under Obama now than it was 8 years ago BTW). He has yet to explain how he will fund his expensive programs while cutting taxes. W tried that, and look what happened.
Trump is a bad match up for the democrats. He is a master of the media, fights back against attacks with a vengeance we've never seen before and excites his base. He will probably put Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin into play as well.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016…
One of numerous tidbits about the hold your nose voting necessary to cast a ballot for Clinton, by the left leaning Huiffington Post no less.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/staks-rosc…
The republicans risk a huge infight in their attempt to stop the Trump momentum. I think Cruz will dig deeper into his dirty tricks - in an attempt to stay close. Rubio risks looking worse than Trump by continuing his insults.
The one X factor in my opinion is still Trump. I thought he'd be knocked out long before now. So maybe he will get the nomination - and then pick up more steam? It's a wild idea - but I think he has tapped into something that voters want - and something that political insiders hate. The more the political insiders get angry - the more attractive they make Trump.
To my own personal horror, Trump is the only republican candidate perceived as powerful enough to lead, independent enough to say fuck off to the religious right, and nasty enough to capture the frustration of the average American as it concerns Washington gridlock. Lastly, Hillary will be nominee (as Bernie is off the reservation left), but she has too many haters in the middle.
For these reason, shockingly, Trump will win. Not saying I endorse Trump -- just how I see it playing out.
The Republicans will come back eventually, they survived the brief H Ross Perot split that gave us President Bill Clinton. But 2016 could get very ugly for the Republicans down ticket on election night.
SJG
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If the first black president didn't get in the way of the first women president 7 years ago, Trump wouldn't be doing shit right now. It the ultimate scam/coup. When your choice are Hillary or Hillary... there's only one possible outcome. Dems made major changes to there nomination process to ensure there would be a repeat of someone (Obama) out doing Hillary in the primary. Then Trump helps her sow up the general.
The wild card could be Bloomberg if he jumps in late. He leans left on enough issues (like guns) that I don't think it is obvious whether he huts Trump or Hillary more.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Bloomber…
But each reader should decide.
We're doomed.
I personally am having trouble deciding who I would prefer less. Clinton is a complete snake but I've never perceived her as much of a radical. Trump is a clown with no real plan and I don't think anyone really knows for sure what his political position really is. At the same time I don't think he's going to try and throw us to the far right.
Right now my gut says Clinton is the next pres, but who knows.
Plurality Of Americans
37% Conservative
35% Moderate
24% Liberal
Plurality Of US Middle Class
39% Conservative
35% Moderate
22% Liberal
4% Don't know (Really?)
Gallup, Pew Research Center
Isn't that often our goal here?
--Lindsey Graham
"My party has gone batshit crazy"
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The only way to beat Trump, is to use a d20 (20 sided die) and roll a 19 or a 20, in order to strike a critical blow. Good luck.
Most likely people will vote as they have previously voted, plus being receptive to how current issues are being framed.
I am not aware of anyone saying the things Trump says ever having gotten elected.
I would still say that Rubio and Cruz are quite a bit to the Right of the Republican Party center.
Clinton is of course a centrist candidtate, as she has always sought to position herself.
Bernie Sanders is a bit to the Left of most of the Democratic Party. But in that he is emphasizing economic justice and caring about people, and then has proposed universal health care and tuition free college, he is actually well within mainstream American political discourse, while being still to the Right of most of Western Europe.
SJG
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