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Myth Buster

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I've seen several discussions here concerned with sexual trafficking and whether we are contributing to the problem. In light of that I found the following to be interesting:

MYTH: Between 100,000 and 300,000 girls are pressed into sexual slavery each year in the United States.

FACTS: This sensational claim is a favorite of politicians, celebrities and journalists. Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore turned it into a cause célèbre. Both conservatives and liberal reformers deploy it. Former President Jimmy Carter recently said that the sexual enslavement of girls in the U.S. today is worse than American slavery in the 19th century.

The source for the figure is a 2001 report on child sexual exploitation by University of Pennsylvania sociologists Richard Estes and Neil Alan Weiner. But their 100,000–300,000 estimate referred to children at risk for exploitation—not actual victims. When three reporters from the Village Voice questioned Estes on the number of children who are abducted and pressed into sexual slavery each year, he replied, “We’re talking about a few hundred people.” And this number is likely to include a lot of boys: According to a 2008 census of underage prostitutes in New York City, nearly half turned out to be male. A few hundred children is still a few hundred too many, but they will not be helped by thousand-fold inflation of their numbers.

11 comments

  • Dominic77
    9 years ago
    Thanks gawker. Cases like these (underage trafficking) are where I don't mind if LE sets up stings to catch the Johns. In this case, the Johns really should know better. The legal age voluntary escorts ... I don't care so much nor do I think LE should bother as much.
  • jackslash
    9 years ago
    Inflated statistics are the favorite tool of crusaders with a cause. It's always good to ask where the numbers come from and if they make sense.
  • IwillLapAdancer
    9 years ago
    Reminds me of a scene in Outlaw Josie Wales.

    Captain Redlegs: After we get Wales and the kid, we'll head down to Texas. Lots of work to do there.
    Fletcher: After we get Wales and the kid, It Ends.
    Captain Redlegs: Doin' Right ain't got no End.

    That's how I see these crusading celebs and politicians, when they get excessive with their persecution over the old profession in the world, while the real issues plaguing the country never get addressed.
  • IwillLapAdancer
    9 years ago
    The sexual exploitation of minors, though, is sickening. Adults have a choice in most instances, but children never do.
  • jester214
    9 years ago
    "There are lies, damned lies and statistics."
  • Tiredtraveler
    9 years ago
    The statistic they ignore is the many of the underage prostitutes are servicing the very holier than tho politicians and celebs.
    If you research how to make it in Hollyweed you find out that young wannabes have to suck a lot of dick and cunt to get a break. That is why many many "stars" who have made it from outside the Hollyweed machinery refuse to live in SoCal so they can avoid being forced to attend the "parties of the "A" list perverts.
  • sharkhunter
    9 years ago
    Politicians always look for something to further whatever is on their agenda. Then they can claim they did this or that when what they really did was screw things over for a whole group of people with no effect whatsoever on what they were talking about. I could go on a campaign and promise free college tuition, free that, free this, but then casually mention taxes will go up on income, on payroll, and on medicare. Then if elected the people going to college can be happy for a little while until they graduate and find out there are no jobs unless you are working construction for the government because the only people hiring are those working for the government construction crew. Everyone who had a job got taxed to death.
  • rockstar666
    9 years ago
    I think the question in the thread isn't how many children are exploited, but rather if somehow we P/L's are making however many it is worse. Frankly, I can't see how but I have an open mind.
  • Estafador
    9 years ago
    100,000 sounds much more aweful than just 100 to the mass media. The bigger the number the harder it is to forget. Of course that shouldn't matter. Even one child shouldn't be sex traffic'd and is absolutely appalling
  • mikeya02
    9 years ago
    You guys realize that prostitution is a huge business for organized gangs. Not talking underage girls or strippers. Pimped hoes. They've been using the internet for years. A few hundred is laughable.
  • san_jose_guy
    9 years ago
    Debunking the Myth:

    http://www.sanjoseinside.com/2016/01/21/…

    https://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/auth…

    SJG

    In Swingers Clubs most people don't have sex in front of others. But of those that do, it really loosens up both the men and the women. So the management always tries to make the environment conducive to it.

    http://www.horizonsclub.com/sessions/new

    http://www.horizonsclub.com/home/custom?…

    This place was the most famous because of all the different kinds of play spaces it had.

    I say was because now I see that it is closed and the property sold to developers. This is a major loss for the entire world!

    from their rules: "Cell phones allowed only in the lobby and parking area."

    Walt Disney Concert Hall, Los Angeles
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disne…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disne…

    http://www.bernardwolf.com/media/origina…

    Atlantic City, one of the largest pipe organs ever built. Look how high the ceiling is. More information to come.
    http://www.atlanticcitynj.com/events/det…

    Yes, it is the largest in the world!
    http://www.boardwalkhall.com/arena-infor…

    It is one of only two organs in the world to have an open 64-foot rank, and the only organ to have stops voiced on 100 inches of wind pressure (about 3.6 psi). Its console features seven manuals.

    The pedal manual can be divided into left and right divisions

    10x 32 foot stops

    The Diaphone-Dulzian's low-C pipe stands 59 feet (18 m) tall, weighs 3,350 pounds (1,520 kg), and produces a frequency of 8 Hz,[10] a tone that is more felt than heard; the sound of the vibrating pallet is described as "a helicopter hovering over the building". The pipe stands upright for about 40 feet (12 m), the remainder is mitred (turned) towards the Right Stage chamber's grill. All pipes taller than 32 feet (9.8 m) are designed in this manner.

    The organ's wind supply is the most powerful ever used in a pipe organ. The DC motors for the original eight blowers had a total power of 394 horsepower (294 kW). These were replaced with AC motors in the early 1990s, which have a total of 600 horsepower (450 kW) and their seven blowers produce 36,400 cubic feet (1,030 m3) of wind per minute.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boardwalk_…

    Some of the lower manuals are not only 61 keys, they are 73 or 85 keys!
    ( some piano music is written to take up all 88. But nothing in the standard piano repertoire goes beyond that , as with Boesendorfer's 97 keys.
    http://www.cmuse.org/wp-content/uploads/…
    I saw one just like this in a local store, priced to sell at only $180k.
    http://www.boesendorfer.com/download/BSD…
    )

    http://www.amazon.com/Atlantic-Citys-Mus…

    Largest Pipe Organs In The World
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pi…

    the only other organ with 64' open pipe stop. not sure if this picture shows that though
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Tow…

    extreme high ceiling!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Tow…

    http://www.ohta.org.au/confs/Sydney/SYDN…

    http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn…

    Yes, the 64' pipes are hidden somewhere behind the proscenium. They are square in cross section and made of wood. Pictures here show them. This one in Sydney and the Atlantic City Boardwalk Hall are the only two open 64' organ pipe stops in the entire world. Zero for the 128' octave.

    I would think it easier to design these huge pipes for horizontal, but no one seem to have done this. I would go for cast out of concrete and an integral and load bearing part of the building, as well as having common sides. No one seems to have done this though.

    With these extreme pipe organs, the building and the organ have to be designed together.

    http://members.ozemail.com.au/~googong/s…

    Code Red Warning! This is like ColdnShallow turned into a 501.c3
    http://www.pornkillslove.com/

    3 Nights in Tunisia - Diz, Jimmy Smith, Barbara Dennerlein
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bG4a7Ir…
    acoustic piano action could never go as fast as these people do. I think even a semi-weighted keyboard would be too slow.

    Dennerlein play list, REALY GOOD!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYP7Mxss…
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