Planning a trip

8 hours is a very long drive in search of extras/OTC if you don't know if they are available or not. You can have a very good time on $300-400 a night but only if you are in the right club. OTC is not impossible to get when you are basically an unknown in the club but it's going to be more difficult. It would help if we knew where you were going.

You are asking your questions of the right peole. However, your questions are very location specific. So rather than us give you generic one size fits all advice, you'd get much better information if you told us where you are traveling from and what city you plan to club in. For some cities, your plan would work. For other cities it might not.

1. YOLO – life will often take care of throwing enough unhappy moments our way – so if it’s something you enjoy and have fun doing; then take advantage of the experience – no one knows what tomorrow may bring – no guarantee we will even be alive tomorrow or if in the future have the health and/or finances to be able to do it – thus enjoy it while/if you can

2. Extras/OTC are never a guarantee – there are many variables – depending on the club, area, and dancer hotness, I’d say $300 should do it for extras/OTC and perhaps as low as $150 again depending on the club, area, and dancer hotness – you should read the reviews of the club and see if you can gauge the cost of extras or even try to PM someone who seems to know the club well or may have done extras there

There are so many variables in what you ask. Have you researched the club? Are others Implying that extras are available? Any idea what dances cost? How about VIP? Different states and areas of the country vary so much on cost and mileage that it's impossible to answer your questions.

The 2 clubs you've reviewed (PA & IN) could put you within 8 hours of Detroit or Boston. If you go to Detroit there's unlimited potential for what you seek. If you go to Boston, your budget will get you admission, a drink, and maybe a handshake if you're lucky.

1. Meh. Whatever makes you happy. :)

2. I agree with guys that you should specify your destination. And I wonder how picky you are regarding dancer's hotness, it is a very serious factor too.

I am not sure about possibility of OTC - we get offers from random guys to come fuck at their hotels/houses all the time(this eternal "What time do you get off work?", grr) and imo, girl should be either dumb or super desperate to go for it with a complete stranger. Probably extras ITC are your only option. Then again, I need to know city you going to. Cause you wouldn't get a shit ITC in mine for several hundreds.

I'm thinking of going back to Kandy's. When I was there last time, the dancer I was with in the VIP kinda gave me a I-don't-do-extras-but-if-you-ask-around-you-could-probably-get-some speech, but I think she has left since then.

VIP rooms were slightly more than $100 for 30 minutes there. I'm pretty sure I'll have a good time without getting any extras, but I still wanna push it, I think.

“… girl should be either dumb or super desperate to go for it with a complete stranger …”

Men and women have been hooking up for P4P since the beginning of time; and I doubt this will change any time soon.

Many occupations have inherent risks but folks still choose to do those occupations – if a girl can make $1k a night then probably not much of an incentive to do OTC for $300 – but if she only makes $300/$400 in a whole shift and can double her $$$ in an hour of OTC w/ no cut for the club; then it may be an incentive to her.

OP – where are you traveling from - there may be better options nearer by or just as far that we can recommend.

If you want to have sex, I'd line up an escort. A play on a Grouch Marx quote comes to mind: I wouldn't any girl that would fuck me as a stranger.

Papi, I see your point but there is a difference between meeting custie you already screened either ITC as a stripper(I mean, seeing him in the club for several times to make sure he is not a creep) or thru information he gave to you(if you are an escort) vs going home with dude you met literally an hour ago. There are so many psychos out there looking for victims that money isn't worth risk getting killed/raped/hurt. Specially if we are talking about only measly 300-400$.

Papi, south west IN. Part of the reason for such a trip is to just get out of town for a couple of days. Also, I know I'll have a good time even if there is no extras or OTC, so that's the reason for going back to Kandy's.

Rech, Detroit is a good bit closer, but as I said earlier, Kandy's is a place I'll be comfortable with or without extras.

Rockstar, I'm not confident in my ability to screen escorts.

Dancer, I realize it'll be a long shot getting OTC if I go, but I'm okay with that. I just wanna have fun and I wanna try to keep everyone comfortable.

Traveling 8 hours to visit a strip club anywhere in Pennsylvania is insane. So you have told us enough to know that you plan is a waste of time. If you want to succeed you either need to go to Detroit or tell us where you are coming from. Don't worry we won't hunt you down or anything.

I've heard the St. Louis side of Illinois has some good places to go, but that's close enough I don't think I can justify getting away for a couple of days.

Thanks for the location info. You are insane to follow your plan when Detroit is closer. I was just in Detroit a few weeks ago and it has everything you want. And it's an easy place for a newbie to get what he wants. It's one of the top strip club destinations in the U.S. for good reasons.

Obviously you're new at this but theres no reason to be afraid of trying a new strip club. Just read the reviews and you're all set.

You seem to have already made up your mind but since you asked its a serious mistake to not go to Detroit.

I understand you want to get away for a few days and 1 strip club is what your trip is revolving around. I think revolving the trip around 1 strip club is a poor choice. If I was in your shoes I would either:

1. Go to Detroit, there are safe suburb areas you can club at, and also hit the casinos in your spare time if you're into that. Detroit isn't all extras, you can easily go hang at a club and just get lap dances.

2. If you have a passport, go to Toronto. Great strip clubs, great massage parlors with hot Canadian woman (not Asians). Escorting is legal there so if on a whim you want "extras" you can go that route as well.

I live in the radius of where you're talking about traveling to, and I very rarely club there because it sucks. I take trips like you want to, or make a pit stop during business travel - always in Toronto and Detroit, which are the two best places to club at if you're in the northern Midwest or northern east coast.

Def it’s your decision which club/city to go to – but it appears to my experienced perv eye that you may be making your decision based on limited knowledge.

Many of us on this board are well in-tune with the better clubs and better areas to SC across the country – and Kandy’s in freakin PN is not a club I’ve heard much boasting about – not saying it’s not a good club and I’ve not been there myself just saying it’s not on the radar of must-do clubs.

Top Detroit clubs like Penthouse and Flight Club have 600+ and 1100+ reviews respectively; whereas Kandy’s just has 33 – that outta say something right thur.

Some prefer a new adventure and some prefer to stick with what they know – but you should at least look at the reviews of the top Detroit clubs (Penthouse, Flight Club) and a few others (BT’s; Subi’s; Coliseum) and then make up your mind – extras at these places are much more of a sure thing w/ fairly good looking dancers and completely private booths (and decent prices).

There are also some lower-end clubs which are supa-heavy on extras but there is a hit on dancer-quality – though some do prefer these clubs but most stick to the upper-end clubs.

“… Planning a trip …”

I think you need to do more planning :)

Especially with the resources of time and $$$ you are making you could be getting a much better bang for your buck (figuratively and literally).

East St Louis does have some high-mileage clubs – but AFAIK they are much seedier and in worst hoods than the upscale Detroit clubs.

East St Louis is not a bad choice – but the D is better pretty much on all counts (better and more clubs and better quality dancers)

Thanks for the input guys. I'll reconsider my plans. May not change them, but I'm gonna think about what you guys have said. May have to make a trip to Detroit soon though.

In the meantime, any advice on how to go about asking for extras or OTC? Never done it, so I'm open to input. What's the best way to go about being sure they know I'm not a cop or guy looking to murder them?

I will add my two cents' worth. I live in your general vicinity (Illinois/Indiana) and do the vast majority of my clubbing in either Chicago (south suburbs), Urbana, Terre Haute, Bloomington/IN, or Indianapolis, but if I want extras, I hit the highway to ESL or Detroit, both of which I've visited multiple times. If I were in your shoes and had your budget and three days at my disposal, I would almost certainly go to Detroit, staying somewhere around Romulus (near the airport). There are many strip clubs in nearby Inkster, Dearborn, Southgate, Romulus itself, and, of course, Detroit. PM me if you're interested in my perspective on Detroit-area clubs.

I've read your two very well-written reviews of the Pony in Evansville and Kandy's in Waterford/PA. It's obvious that you had a wonderful time at the latter and want to repeat the experience, which I completely understand. If you insist on making the 8+ hour drive to Waterford, I will suggest an itinerary that ends at your beloved Kandy's. Drive from Evansville to Waterford with strip club stops at:

• Fantasy's in New Cumberland/WV
• Palace in the Pines in Lowellville/OH
• Partners Tavern in Erie/PA All three are decidedly extras-friendly (in fact, I got my first ITC BJ at Palace in the Pines two years ago) and I'm sure OTC is available at each. This itinerary would expand your strip club horizons and conclude at your favorite club.

But seriously -- go to Detroit!

So many Detroit recommendations! Is it just because I live in Detroit?

^ oh yeah we forgot – def hit the jackslash museum while in the D

“... In the meantime, any advice on how to go about asking for extras or OTC ...”

There have plenty of OTC threads – just type OTC in the TUSCL search box in the upper right hand corner.

This is a recent thread on it:

tuscl.net

After you read thru some of the threads if you still have specific questions then hit us up.

w.r.t. extras or OTC; just ask politely - “do you do anything more than dances in VIP” (they are used to being asked – 99% of the time you'll get a simple yes or no) - “can I see you outside the club” or “do you do private shows outside the club?”.

Best to be direct and not leave it up to “interpretation”.

Also – square away exactly what you want and how much – settling for her saying “don't worry we'll have a good time” can often get you a $300 lap-dance instead of sex.

Take condoms – many dancers that do extras have them but many are often unprepared.

Don't pay upfront – once you pay your $$$ it's GONE whether she follows thru or not – you will have to pay the VIP room fee upfront but don't pay her part till she holds up her end of the bargain in VIP – if she flakes out on you in VIP most likely you won't get your room fee back (although some of the higher end spots may refund you) – but if you get in VIP and you see she is not getting down to the agreed biz; walk out – but you can't stay in there the whole time or most of the time hoping she'll deliver – if you spend most of the time in the VIP then you gotta pay her – so walk out as soon as you see she is bullshitting you w.r.t her promises and don't pay her – she will try to intimidate you and threaten to get the manager or bouncer – don't be scared – these dancers do this every day for years on end and know how to rip-off and intimidate custies.

If she does get the manager/bouncer you calmly and methodically explain the situation – now you can't say she promised to have sex w/ you and then once in VIP wouldn't and that's why you are not paying her b/c although staff knows what goes down in VIP they can't admit to it and you'll get a “sir sex is not allowed in the VIP” - so since you can't say she promised sex and did not deliver – you say “we agreed on X private dances in VIP for $Y but once we were in VIP she said she wanted $Z and that's why I walked out” - it's your word against hers and you should not allow yourself to get ripped-off especially since you walked out of VIP almost as soon as you walked in once you saw she was trying to rip you off – i.e. you did not receive any services from her and why thus you are not paying her – and then ask for your room fee back and see if they give it to you since you did not use up the VIP time.

Not saying beng ripped-off is the norm – but def happens epsecially if you don't know the deal.

Additionally – one of the good things about Detroit clubs is that one does not have to pay for VIP – i.e. extras are done in the private dance-booths that are used for both lap-dances and hanky-panky – i.e. no paying up front for the room except maybe a $10 or $20 tip to the bouncer to ensure he does not peek his ugly head in.