The SC (Supreme Court) Actually Gets Two Decisions In A Row Correct! A New Moder

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rockstar666

The first was easy: you can't have one law about limitations of the size of a sign for commercial advertising and another for religious messages. That's discriminatory against religions and the ruling was 9-0.

The second was more nebulous: can Texas refuse to make a vanity plate with the Confederate flag. The issue is private free speech vs. government's right to control its own rights to free speech. The court ruled that license plates issued by a state is government speech, and therefore have the right to control what speech it makes. It's the same principle of not allowing profanity, anti gay or pro Nazi vanity plates according to 5 of the justices. I'm surprised the other 4 disagreed; to me it was very simple but I knew it would be close. The issue of the governments right to free speech vs. private rights is not always clear.

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JamesSD
9 yrs ago

The crazy thing about the liscense plate one is Thomas split from the conservative justices. He almost never splits from Alito.

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Clubber
9 yrs ago

rock,

Don't know about the second decision. Why is it OK to "celebrate" someone's past, but not others. Sort of censorship in my book.

Interestingly they mention it's a…

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DoctorPhil
9 yrs ago

@Clubber "yet the War of Northern Aggression was about states rights"

ftfy

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mjx01
9 yrs ago

You don't own your license plate. It is the property of the state issuing it. The state you live in is under no constitutional obligation to allow…

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rockstar666
9 yrs ago

Clubber, you are free to fly the flag of southern treason to your heart's content. But the State Of Texas isn't compelled to put it on their government…

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rockstar666
9 yrs ago

Dr Phil: I love the irony you point out: what the South was fighting for is the very principle that led to the decision to allow the state…

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Clubber
9 yrs ago

roeck,

We each are entitled to our opinions. So you are entitled to yours, wrong that it may be.

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motorhead
9 yrs ago

It also seems ironic that the State of Texas refuses to make a vanity plate with the Confederate flag on it, yet flies the CSA flag (the Stars…

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jestrite50
9 yrs ago

Motor, the same exists with the US Supreme court and Congress. Each session opens with prayer yet they ban prayer from public gatherings. They ban the Ten Commandments…

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mikeya02
9 yrs ago

^^^ Is it ok to burn the CSA flag as a form of free speech?

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jester214
9 yrs ago

I agree with the decision but understand the dissent. Apparently other states allow the confederate flag on their plates, which I found interesting.

mjx, I think the question…

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rockstar666
9 yrs ago

Jester: The SC didn't say you can't have the flag of southern treason on their license plates. They ruled that the State has the right to regulate speech…

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anthonyu
9 yrs ago

The fact that the license plate is the property of the state seems decisive to me It's like if you wanted to put "FUCK" on my…

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rockstar666
9 yrs ago

The Old Testament is indeed bizarre in light of modern morality. Like Exodus...targeting an innocent civilian population in a political dispute?? That what we did in the 1950's…

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DoctorPhil
9 yrs ago

who in the fuck gave the government rights? a government has no rights in a free society. it is an evil necessity at best. a tyranical master…

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DoctorPhil
9 yrs ago

@rockstar666 "...what the South was fighting for..."

despite revisionist history what the South was fighting for was:

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent…

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jester214
9 yrs ago

Rockstar, I'm quite clear on what the SC ruled.

MJX implied that it was ridiculous that the topic even made it to the Supreme Court. I was highlighting…

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rockstar666
9 yrs ago

jester: the decision was 5-4. Obviously it isn't as clear as you pretend.

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farmerart
9 yrs ago

Very interesting discussion here. Thanks to motorhead I now know that the confederate flag flies over the Texas state legislature and that same flag features on the Texas…

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mikeya02
9 yrs ago

^^^^ You were doing ok until the end of your statement.

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jester214
9 yrs ago

Rockstar, you just made my argument for me.

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rockstar666
9 yrs ago

The issue is clear: are citizen's freedom of speech rights unconstitutionally restricted if a state objects to the content of a suggested vanity plate. The SC ruled "no"…

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mikeya02
9 yrs ago

Wow a rush of posts, I was talking to Jester.

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jester214
9 yrs ago

Houston was at the Alamo?

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rockstar666
9 yrs ago

farmerart: I wasn't aware of that! They don't really teach history in school; they teach politics.

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DoctorPhil
9 yrs ago

art is reading from his canadian version of world history book again. written with crayon of course

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jester214
9 yrs ago

I guess it can be argued that the issue is clear NOW. As I stated in my initial post, I do think it's the right decision.

But again,…

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mikeya02
9 yrs ago

What farmer left out was that Mexico wanted Texan settlers to primarily speak spanish and become Mexican citizens. Hell no. That alone was worth fighting about.

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DoctorPhil
9 yrs ago

what farmerart left out was that he doesn't know shit about Texas history. and far worse his bullshit spurious charges against Sam Houston who married into…

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rockstar666
9 yrs ago

Maybe Houston didn't swear loyalty because he viewed the Confederacy as a "foreign" government...? After all, he wanted to be the leader of his OWN country. Throwing in…

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mikeya02
9 yrs ago

^^^Sam Houston sided with the Unionists, that's why

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tumblingdice
9 yrs ago

Rock,the Colonies were held in high treason by the crown.How can you play a guitar with no spine?

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Diva1975
9 yrs ago

Good point mjx

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dallas702
9 yrs ago

A few not so minor points about Texas history. Houston was NOT at the Alamo. The original leaders of the Texas Revolution did not give a…

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bvino
9 yrs ago

I love history!. We all know what happened buy -why? Never a clean answer. The Alamo was fought ,that is clear. Why it was fought is a different…

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jester214
9 yrs ago

Hate to break it to ya Dallas but you got a few things wrong yourself.

While the Texans certainly had other reasons for independence, maintaining their slaves was certainly…

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DoctorPhil
9 yrs ago

@bvino “Take it easy on Farmerart…”

yeah i suppose you’re right. at his age it must be damn near impossible to get any blood at all back into…

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DoctorPhil
9 yrs ago

@rockstar666 “Maybe Houston didn't swear loyalty because he viewed the Confederacy as a "foreign" government...? After all, he wanted to be the leader of his OWN country.”

were you…

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rockstar666
9 yrs ago

Phil: I'm a victim of public education. While I confess I've not made a point of learning the history of Texas, it doesn't invalidate my right for abject…

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rockstar666
9 yrs ago

"War of northern aggression"!!! Okay. never mind. I don't debate serious issues with children.

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DoctorPhil
9 yrs ago

@rockstar666 "I don't debate serious issues with children."

well at least you know enough to realize that they would out debate you

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