Recently we've been treated to an Article from Shailynn, purporting to be a Logical System, but it seems more to be tongue in cheek as it is a counter to Rick Dugan's System. Even his System was not considered a system per say, until other people named it as such. Lots of people seem to want to make fun of it too.
Shailynn's Logical System tuscl.net
Shailynn's related thread: tuscl.net
Rick Dugan's System tuscl.net
Rockstar's Method tuscl.net
Rechthaberei's Method tuscl.net
I for one don't see any cause for making fun of anyone. I think strip clubs are dicey places to walk into, and I think you do need to learn some about how to handle yourself. Dugan's System does give you this. His System is based on the idea of declining most all of the things most people go to strip clubs for, and instead setting up OTC's. Shailynn's Logical System does not address any of this.
So I think the first issue is just what do you do about the dance offers. If you walk in, then right away dancers are going to start offering you dances. They will do it before your eyes have even adjusted to the indoor dark.
Sometimes they will do it verbally. Other times they will do it by package grabs. I read here that in Detroit that is standard. I read about how on Bourbon St. in NOLA, they are coming out beyond the front door to make package grabs.
On blackstripclubs.net I read about many places where they will just help themselves to sitting on your lap, and then start licking your neck and nibbling on your ear. TUSCL members have affirmed this.
So what do you do?
I've read posts where people are angered by all of this. Certainly I think it is wrong to get angry. The women make their money that way, and they are there to make money, so if you go there you just have to accept it. I am never angered or offended by their dance offers.
But do you accept? My own view is that it is better not to accept, but to politely decline and try to defer. On the one hand you don't want to appear cheap or disrespectful. But on the other hand, you don't want to come across as a chump either. My view has long been that accepting such an offer from a dancer who you do not have any rapport established with is a chump's game and it also makes you look like a chump.
If what you want is just to pass out money, then just go ahead and do that. People at the Sunnyvale Brass rail will give girl's tips even though they didn't sit at the stage. One girl explained that it was "Because they think I'm cute." You can just hand them money, and if they ask what it is for, tell them something like that.
The one I think is actually displaying the most common sense in this is Jestrite50. He has posted about just handing dancers a benny, and for no reason except to make her feel good. I've not done this, but I do like the idea of it.
But if a dancer offers me a dance, as they always do, then accepting that tells her two things, first that it is very easy for a pretty girl to get money out of me and that suggests that I lack self confidence. Second, it tells her that I am happy to spend time in a booth with a girl performing some rather inane sorts of services upon me. This second view is definitely false, and I would hope that the first one is too. So I'm going to decline and try to defer. If I'm to give her any money, it will just be a feel good tip, or because I'm hoping she will sit and talk with me.
Now I've read so many posts on TUSCL and so many review narratives on Yelp, and I see that my view is a minority one. But I still feel supported in that Rick Dugan also does not accept dance offers, saying, "That's not really my gig" and that the one I feel really knows how to work it, Jestrite50, gets physical with the girls right there where he is seated. To me, this approach is obviously the very best of all possibilities.
But as I read most people's accounts of strip club visits, it is always this issue, what to do with the dance offers, which comes up and always seems to cause problems. Most of the negative accounts are of situations which started when someone accepted a dance offer from a dancer they had never established any rapport with.
Now beyond this, I like to pick the dancer myself, instead of letting her pick me. They can be as forward as they want, and I always like that. But I'm still going to orchestrate it so that she can see that I am picking her. For as long as I know her, she will be playing back in her mind the narrative of our first meeting. And if I pick her, she could turn me down. That I am willing to take that risk shows her that I am not lacking in self confidence. And besides, different girls strike me different ways. It is not all looks.
I am happy to approach them when they are off stage. But if the girl's turn comes up, usually I will come up to the stage and start tipping and engaging with her. It is so easy for both of us that way. No big deal if it never goes any further too.
Shailynn does not address any of these issues. Dugan addresses all of them, but what he wants to come out of it, OTC with a minimum of ITC interaction and cost, is unusual.
I'm hoping that all the dynamics of strip club interactions can be explored, as I think these places could work much better than they often do.
SJG
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Each "system" is designed w a specific goal and to be used under specific circumstances which may or may not apply to your situation. Otherwise tend to be overly broad and may be true have limited value in moving closer to your goal.