Moving OTC targets

had a worse problem. Stopped at a go go bar I knew in the afternoon. Place is out in the middle of nowhere and closest hotel was almost an hour drive. Was hoping for at best some minor ITC action. When I arrived I was the only guy there, and was told that I was first customer of the day and they had been open for a few hours. Dancer told me that her shift was actually about ready to end and she was gonna get out of there. She also said she actually lost money by coming in today (club payout) and If I had a place we could go have some fun (she actually said I could have her for the rest of the afternoon and into the evening and was only gonna be $250). Having had some ITC with her before I knew that this would be a time to remember. I told her that I didn't have a room and asked her if she knew of anywhere I could get one, she didn't. Tried to talk her into going back to her place but she couldn't, she still lived with her parents (and yes, she was of age). After about an hour trying to find some place she called it off, decided just to go home. Life sometime sucks!

Most of my OTC gig have been when I am out of town and already have a hotel room and most of them have been during the afternoon or early evening. They either leave early if things are dead or come when they get off shift. No shows has not been a big problem but when they do happen, I still have plenty of time to go back to the club and try again.

When I am in town, I don't use hotels. I don't have an S/O so no problems with using my house and I much prefer to prearrange "dates". Have not been too successful lately but I'm kinda fussy about who I go with. I'm working on it.

I've only done otc with advance planning. Usually it's scheduled 1-7 days in advance. I've occassionally tried to get girls OTC after their shift, or leaving their shift early, but that has never worked and can be very frustrating. Even on those nights, however, I already had a hotel room to take her to. Your approach seems awfully complicated.

JS, it is funny, because I've actually found same night OTC much easier to pull off than advance planning. In my experience, strippers are notoriously unreliable and tomorrow is a world away. But a stop on her way home from the club is simple. She is already out of the house and in work mode, so it's just an extension of her club activities. Conversely, asking her to leave her house and start cold on a day off, for example, is much more difficult in my experience. Experiences differ I guess.

But I will say that, for the girls I mentioned above, I doubt that advance planning would be very successful. Their actions made it pretty clear that they are only going to have sex for money when they've first exhausted their other earning options first, including the club, so its really about catching them at a time when they need the money and know that they won't earn it ITC that day.

I do same night OTC now and then, when it's the only option because she won't plan ahead. I just don't find it ideal to get her after an exhausting shift of dealing with customers, possibly already drunk or rolling molly, etc. I fucking really dig the girls I ask OTC, so I'd way rather get her fresh and sober, take her strip clubbing and bar hopping to get drunk, and then fuck it off. But that requires a girl who can plan ahead, and strippers are not very good at that, particularly more than a few days. I once had a girl who told me, "if you see I'm scheduled at the club, feel free to call me the night before and tell me you want to take me OTC, and as long as I haven't been missing too many shifts, I'll go with you instead. That way you know I was already planning to head in, my boyfriend thinks I'm working so I won't have problems with him asking why I'm going in." That was pretty fucking ideal, except for the fact that I'd rather be doing this by planning a week ahead of time; just never going to happen.

Do you use a moving System for moving targets, RickyBoy?

I believe having the room ahead of time gives you a great advantage. Call the stripper no laterr than 24 hours ahead. They are notoriously poor at planning (multiple excuses, "my father has colon cancer", etc). 2. Arrange for early afternoon or evenings; strippers will never appear over a weekend night (game on for them!). 3. Try fucking her first in the club if possible, this way, familiarity is not an issue; 4. On the initial visit, make her an offer she cannot refuse like $300; subsequent visits can be lower. 5. If all else fails, have an escort on standby.

"The system... In motion".

Dougster, I'm kind of disappointed that's the best you could do with this. You must have had a busy day at work or something.

ujay: "4. On the initial visit, make her an offer she cannot refuse like $300; subsequent visits can be lower."

Really! I've always concentrated on keeping the initial price low, because once it's set, the price is the price. I've never known a girl to get her number on one trip, and then agree to cheapen herself the next. You manage to negotiate this often, Ujay?

Rick, that makes no sense. She's a wildcat? Doesn't that mean she's getting off on it? So why wouldn't she always be up for it, maybe even if you were broke? Or does she just fake that good?

JamesSD: "[Dougster] must have had a busy day at work or something."

Yes, Fed days can be busy around the office.

I'm like JS69: All my OTC is planned in advance. I never did OTC with a dancer I just met...although I wish it was possible every now and then! And I never do OTC after her shift; it's always on her off days.

@ibb: maybe some of both? I can only speak to how she behaves, not how she really feels. But I'm not going to operate under the delusion that a hot young girl is just as happy to be fucking a guy old enough to be her father as she she would be in bed with a pumped up 20-something year old and neither should anybody else around these parts, lol.

@Subraman: You are not the only one to scratch your head at the "subsequent visits can be lower" theory. There is one guy around here who has stuck by that theory for years. Who knows? Maybe it works for him with the girls he messes with in the areas in which he clubs, but I don't have a lot of interest in playing nickel and dime games with good OTC providers. Most of my OTC is with 8s and up and some of the hottest girls that I play with are a crap shoot even at the initially agreed upon price, so I see a lot of downside in trying to squeeze them in order to save a few bucks.

With girls I've just met in the club, the "wanna do something when you get off work" approach works pretty well. Even with girls I've known for a while, it's like you say, if they've had areas than good day, such an approach is more likely to work.

However, I've also had reasonable success with arranging in advance for regular girls, mostly for their days off or before they go to work. My ATF and I used to make arrangements for the next time before we parted, but that's a special case.

As for the "subsequent visits can be lower" thing, I've seen that go both ways, but for me, it's actually been mostly true, if not by a huge amount. I'm not a big enough spender to attract the 9s and 10s though, so that might be pet of it.

I have had substantially lower offers on subsequent visits, as in half, or less, the first visit, but virtually all of those have been because of drug dependency, and I do my best to avoid those. Even so, for me, the follow up visits trend lower, if not hugely.

What a way to conduct business, preying on the desperation of girls in their moments when business is slow. Get a real set of nuts and develop some relationships with these girls so you can arrange OTC on a reliable basis, but that would require a whole new skill set for you Rickyboy. Pick the low hanging fruit seems to be "the System" to master.

@Meat72: Are you joking???? Develop a relationship with a stripper/prostitute??? You've never had a stripper as a date or in a relationship, obviously. Even if they "like" you, she goes away when the money stops, so it's nothing like a "relationship" with a civi. Plus, they are NEVER reliable. That's a skill only civi's have.

Touché ^^^ but the system keeps in chugging.

Subraman: your initial offer should be higher, say $300, because you have to overcome her apprehension of going with you to a hotel venue. After the initial acquaintance, she knows you and feels relax to meet again. This time, you may offer a lower price like $250 (say, "times a tough right now and this is what I have"). I have had lot of strippers and escorts this way, especially around the end of month when the bills are due. 9/10, they will all jump at the bait. They always need the cash to feed the chaos in their lives.

You seem to have it down to a point where it can be considered mechanical.

Good luck on that one.