The Declining entertainment value of the American strip club

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That depends on the type of entertainment you seek out. I'm sure extras are up from 20 years ago. Then again, I don't think very many strippers who began their stripping career in the last 5-10 years see themselves as entertainers.

It all depends on ones definition of "entertainment". For me, the value has increased. A lot of that could also be due to one aging. I am not the same at 65 as I was in my 20's, that's for sure.

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I don't agree. Clubs used to be what the Internet now is -- a place to look at naked women. Now clubs are a place to see, touch, explore, and in many cases arrange sex with those women. Today's clubs are much more entertaining from my perspective.

I too disagree and I started in So. Cal. back in the '60s. They only decline I see now is where the local authorities have stepped in and fucked things up.

xxx, I disagree as well. I think you have a romanticized view of how clubs were back then. I found them to be boring as they focused mostly on stage shows. Nowadays I find them to be much more fun.

Too many lazy dancers with no social or conversational skills have caused a decline in the zest and zing that used to be hallmark of hot SCs. This may be due to the lack of training or monitoring or dancers conduct. Almost any woman with a decent "look" can get a job as a dancer and no one teaches her how to be an entertaining entertainer. So they walk around once, go have a smoke, try to sell extras and whine to customers about not making money. The industry is far from dead but the uneveness in entertainment services leaves a lot to be desired.

I think nostalgia gets the best of all of us. I too thought me 20's and early 30's were the greatest time to club, because it didn't matter what type of interaction I had as long as it was something. Even an air dance back then provided enough spank bank material to satisfy me when I got home. Hell my dick was always hard and I constantly masturbated just so I could carry on a normal life. Couple that with any interaction with a JFK naked girl and I was easily pleased.

These days I'm happy to be a witness to all the shenanigans a club has to offer without getting involved. As you get older you get more conservative because the risk isn't worth the reward, especially when you have responsibilities abound compared to your youth.

I must admit the prevalence of extras are much higher than 10-20 years ago but that may just be because I was wet behind the ears back then.

Sure, some dancers today are very immature and poor business women. But young people have been subject to those kind of criticisms in every generation. In my experience, overly yearning for the old days is a frustrating and ultimately futile exercise.

One can’t have their cake and eat it too; for the most part.

Today it seems extras are much more readily available than 20 years ago – it may be too much too ask to have dancers that are willing to suck dick and also be great conversationalists and entertaining companions.

It seems it may have to be either or – either great low-mileage entertainers or skilled/willing cock suckers.

These statements may be a bit extreme; but in general it seems the quality of a dancer’s “soft skills” is often inversely proportional to mileage. Good looking girls w/ more to offer may not be willing to provide high-mileage and dancers that may not have the looks and “soft skills” are the ones willing to offer high-mileage and the latter is what “the market” seems to prefer.

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Mikeya02, as that zipperhead moron would say, "dude, cha...yes you so do" or some "groovy" bullshit like that. At least you tell funny little jokes, but you're almost as bad as rickdugan. That idiot that constantly complains about trolls and then turns around to encourage Dougster, king of the trolls.

Given the choice, I'll take today's strippers over those of 20 years ago anyday. Yeah many today have little to no social skills, but I'm there to fuck 'em, not socialize with 'em.

Pre-internet, us PLs were happy to get to look with little expectation of touching.
Post-internet, looking and not touching is really boring and not worth it. For there to be any value proposition at all, there must be HM, UHM or extras.
For that reason, I prefer clubs of today over clubs from yesteryear.

Oh yeah, conversely, Vegas sucks now. I much prefer Vegas circa 1980s and 1990s (before the corporations fucked it all up -- maximizing revenue per square foot) back when men were men and the women and children stayed home. If Cuba were smart, they would create 1980-style casinos stocked with easy women and kick vegas' ass.

It is the managers fault for being to lazy to make the girls circulate. As long as they pay their stage fees the managers don't care. You can bet your ass that in Alan Markovitz's Detroit clubs (Penthouse, Flight Club, The Coliseum) the girls mostly get up off their asses and circulate (at least during the night shift). He wants those girls going back to the VIP rooms to keep him in Rolls Royce s . To many girls are there because they just want an excuse to party at work and think they can just sit there and make money. That is also why there is such a huge turn over at clubs.

IMO, both sides of the discussion have merit.

I remember this one time at Cheerleaders-Pittsburgh. Early shift, slow as hell, but a smoking hot petite blonde fit my personal tastes almost perfectly. She asked my if I was interested in dances after her set, and I agreed. Dancer were really good (relative to what I consider average), but she made no attempt to built rapor and there was no sales pitch for more. After we finished, she sat along the one wall of the club texting.

On the other hand, I think, at least in certain areas, higher mileage is easier to come by these days.

All I can say is that I would encourage you not to paint all clubs across the country with a broad brush based on your experience in one part of the world.

While I don't feel like dancers provide the same kind of connection to guys that they did 10 years ago, that might also just be my experience now that I'm older or have become more regular.

It ebbs and flows, but it's different in a lot of different places. Shake it up; try clubbing elsewhere (Detroit) to see if that changes your mind.