I actually have less problems with prostitutes/escorts than I do with strippers finding the former group to have more morals than the latter. So why are strippers, for the most part, so contemptous of prostitutes and escorts? Just because they are a competitive threat?
I mean even the girls at Rick's where it's hard to see how they are not going over the line seem to hate that other group of women.
How about the regular posters here. What do you think of escorts and prostitutes?
Kitana: I agree with you and I'm sure that most "clean" dancers would to. When one dancer starts doing extras, customers (some, at least) expect all girls to do them. The atmosphere in a strip club can vary greatly depending on how many extras girls are running around making it harder for girls to earn a living. I'd much rather spend a few hours in a club full of beautiful women who are in a good mood beacuse they are making money.
I am not contemptuous of escorts at all. I feel that there is plenty of room in the industry for everyone.
The problem I run into is when there are "cross-overs" turning small tricks in the VIP room of the club we both work in. Why can't they take it outside of the club?
I wouldn't mind even working with an escort as long as she kept the actual "workings" outside of the bar. She can meet her "johns" there, I don't even mind that as much.
But when I am giving a med/high contact dance and the girl next to me is giving a bj, then it's puts me in a situation I don't wanna be in.
Kitana
Hopefully down in price, and hopefully more accepted and safer.
I think the price will go up. If prostitution where legalized then the government would impose restrictions, licensing requirements and registration policies that would force the girls and the brothels or agencies they work for to pay income taxes. All income would have to be reported and customer files maintained - for health reasons, of course. All of these new costs would be passed on to the consumer.
What you will wind up with will be a group of providers who will still choose to operate outside of the law. They will attract plenty of business since many men who frequent escorts are married. Legal or not, a married man is not going to want to become part of any providers customer list. The same holds true for public figures, married or not. There are certainly advantages to legalizing the world’s oldest profession, but anonymity isn't one of them. Also, the social stigma that is attached to the profession won't ever really go away.
The question is, if they legalized it, would the price go up or down?
Got to agree with the "need to lighten up" comment. Unfortunately our socety is moving in the exact opposite direction. Political correctness has become the order of the day. You can't call anything by it's correct name or say what you think anymore without someone taking offense. Everyone feels that it's their right and their duty to criticize anyone else who is different from them and we've become a nation of busybodies. Which answers the original question here.
Yoda, I think we've made our points. If some folks want to buy sex, it's fine with me - actually I think it should be legalized across the country. I believe it's time to leave the adult sex entertainment business alone - that is, strippers, prostitutes, & pornographers, except to regulate veneral diseases. It should be legal, but it should be clean. Our Country needs to lighten-up on a number of issues.
Mouse: At the risk of stating the obvious here, I should point out that, what we are talking about here is a guys spending money on sex as an extre curicular activity. If you take a survey around the clubs you will find that many of the attendees have wives and SO's that will strip for them for "free" at home. The same is true with escort services. Most of us CAN get laid without having to visit the ATM first. Some of us CHOOSE to indulge in these options simply because we can, and it's fun.
Weather it's strippers, escorts or anything in between, I don't recall saying that I'm getting anything for free. Money is the great equalizer here. A woman in the sex trade is there for one reason and that's to make as much money as she can. It doesn't matter if the customer is tall, short, skinny, fat, buffed or flabby as long as his wallet is full. That's the assumption I go on. My experience has always been that, with any civilized woman, a civilized and polite gentleman will usualy make out better than a jerk who needs a bath. But I've always thought of that as common sense, not bragging. If that's how you percieve my posts theirs really nothing I can do to change that. I'm not going to lie or change the way I write.
True, Yoda, we all have egos - no man would be worth a shit, if he didn't have some ego and cockiness. I think your posts are fine, except as pointed out above. Braggadocio produces the opposite effect of what's intended.
You know what mouse. Your right. For a change, I did cast the first stone. Please disregard my previous post and accept my apology. As far as your opinion of my posts, your certainly entitled but, as I've said, Your asking us to post honestly and that's all I'm doing. As I've said many times, no one on this board is without an ego or an agenda. I'm certainly no exception and neither are you.
Yoda, sometimes I'm amazed at your sometimes-clueless comments. For example, above you made the condescending comment, "Mouse: Lower your eyebrows dude. No offense, but I could fill an encyclopedia with all of the things you don't know... " Then you can't seem to grasp my riposte, "Yoda, you're a bona fide legend in your own mind...good for you." You are obviously trying to convince me of your intelligence and knowledge. But, all I’m convinced of is your very high opinion of yourself. To me, your rantings come across as profound insecurity and vacuous braggadocio.
P.S. But, please don’t take offense.
Shadowcat, the reason there are so many 60 year old women unattached is that their husbands died. My wife has friends in that age and older. The fact is, we men kick the bucket a lot earlier than the women, usually. Now, for me, a fit and sexy 40 is young enough to be my daughter, but not so young to set off feelings of robbing the cradle...
40 I can get for "free"....
Why don't you compromise and do 40 for $75? Or doesn't it work that way?
Mouse: Add that to the list, we ALL pay for pussy. One way or another. The fact that I sometimes choose to make it a simple cash exchange rather than an emotional one is something many men choose to do at various points intheir lives.
I don't get where the "legend in your own mind" comment comes from. I'm speaking truthfuly about my experiences. Isn't that what you are always pestering people to do on this board? Do you want us to be honest or do you just want us to agree with you all the time?
In some regard women (strippers) view their bodies as Commodity...where they continually ask...how much money can I make while performing the least amount of sexual contact. At some point she'll get to a "Sexual Comfort Zone" ...in that during her dance routine she understands that she must compete with other dancers to achieve a desired level of income. (Assuming looks are equal)
Example: I recently was at a club that had a visiting dancer and I got several dances from her. At one point she was laying with her back against me and she pulled her "G-string to the Side"...I of course was playing with her.
What struck me as really interesting...was the dancer directly across from us with her customer. When I was playing with my girl...you could tell by the facial expression of the other dancer, that she "did not approve" at all.
Competition...the other woman realized that this girl was driving "up" the Stakes or Commodity cost. Thus pushing the "Sexual Comfort Zone" of the club and her...
Now consider the Social Dynamics of women. How will this girl be treated? She has effectively rocked the apple cart...now women accustomed to low sexual contact for $$$$$ a year must react. How they react depends on the club dynamics and personal interactions.
Prostitues are more willing play in a different "Sexual Comfort Zone"...where a stripper for the most part is unwilling to venture into it due to social morality.
Yoda, you're a bona fide legend in your own mind...good for you. But, unlike you, some men don't have to buy pussy. LOL.
To get back to the original question, I've always found it interesting that strippers seem to disapprove of anyone who is willing to do more than they themselves do. Which is why I think a lot ot these girls are in denial about what it is they are doing. They need to have someone else to look down on so they can convince themselves that what they are doing is OK. I think that a lot of these girls suffer from guilt feelings and need to justify their own actions.
Shadowcat: Prices vary throughout the country. I've seen porn stars charge as much as $1500 for an hour. I would say that, if you are getting what you want from that GFE dancer, it's a good deal.
Mouse: Lower your eyebrows dude. No offense, but I could fill an encyclopedia with all of the things you don't know...
Shadowcat. I've never paid a stripper who doubles - at least not that I knew off. Many traveling escorts have a home city that they dance in though it may not come up in conversation during a "date". I don't know where you are, but in the Boston area a higher end GFE escort is about $300 for an hour. If you are a smart shopper, you can find a decent time for about $200. If your an idiot, you can waste $200 to $300 on a VIP room in a strip club and wonder if you are gonna get lucky or not.
Yoda, you seem to know a lot about escorts....hmmmm.
Superdude: Your right-on with your assesment. What I find interesting is that many hookers see dancers as "teases" and don't like them any more than the dancers like them. The compromise seems to be with higher end escorts-many of whom seem to have been dancers at some point.
It's true that many dancers consider escorts to be of "lower moral character"... Often times people need someone to look down on, so they can feel better about themselves. Just my opinion...
Strippers see escorts as serious competition for limited dollars. They see themselves as harmless fantasy and legally acceptable. Thus, they are, in their minds, of higher status.
I agree Yoda, one is R-rated, the other X-rated. Both part of the adult sex industry and both buyer beware.
I find that most dancers wouldn't want to be escorts and most escorts wouldn't want to be dancers. Of course there are some ladies who do both. I beleive that the bitterness that some dancers have towards hookers or escorts is brought on by the constant assumption by some customers that dancers are just prostitutes who work in a club. When you pay an escort there is no grey area-you both know why you are there and what is going to happen. Guys who go to strip clubs looking for sex make asses out of themselves asking girls "how much they charge outside" and other such nonsense when they should really just be calling an escort service. Sorry David's but I'm not buying that one group has higher moral character than another. Thats just way to broad of a statement. There are escorts who post phony pictures on websites, skip scheduled appointments and lie all the time about what they wiill do and how much they will charge. Your dealing with two different branches of the sex industry but it's still the sex industry and it's always buyer beware.
Yoda, not even that (although I agree), for me it's more of a legal issue. I don't give a flying f**k what someone else does; as long as I'm not in jeapordy if it.
Kitana