Security guards at a South Philadelphia strip club shot a man early Sunday after he allegedly tried to run one of them over with his minivan, police said.
The 27-year-old man was kicked out of Club Onyx on Christopher Columbus Boulevard at some point during the night, according to investigators.
Around 12:30 a.m., he allegedly got into an argument over his ejection with bouncers in the club's parking lot.
One of the security guards told police the man said, "I'll kill everyone here," then got into his green Kia minivan and tried to run one of the bouncers over.
Two guards – a man and woman, both 35 – opened fire on the vehicle, striking the man multiple times in both shoulders and legs, police said.
He was taken to Thomas Jefferson University Hospital in stable condition.
The minivan was recovered at the Broad Street on-ramp to I-95, police said.
A short time before the shooting, the man got into a dispute with his 21-year-old wife on the highway, according to investigators.
Police said that, as the two were arguing, a dark-colored four-door Honda pulled up, and its driver got out and tried to intervene.
The man's wife, who reportedly works at Club Onyx, told investigators she heard four gunshots as she walked away from the altercation.
The woman then ran back to the strip club, with her husband pursuing her, police said.
No injuries were reported as a result of that initial round of gunfire. The Honda fled before officers arrived, and its driver remained unidentified Sunday afternoon.
Police said the investigation was still in its early stages, and that no charges had yet been filed in connection with either incident.
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Not a cool situation at all. But the two bouncers would be hard pressed to justify shooting. Police can shoot to stop a dangerous felony suspect from fleeing, but civilians can only shoot in self defense. This means their had to have been no other recourse available. This is unlikely. Just hiding behind other vehicles or parts of the building would have been an adequate defense. Running a mobile person over with a vehicle is not that easy.
I am concerned if these places are coming to have armed bouncers. Most of these people are creeps to begin with. Not good.
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Stay away from clubs named Onyx
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Live like a thug; you die as a thug (most of the time)
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Didnt Rickboy get shot by a bouncer as he was greasing him?
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Well at least no one will be shorthanded at work this week. You know since stripper's husbands and boyfriends don't work
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SJG, when a guy says, "I'll kill everyone here," and then tries to run over two people, I think those two are justified in shooting. it's self-defense not just for themselves but for other parties. Now if the guy didn't try to run them over, that would've been a completely different situation.
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At least as the matter is described here, I don't see their actions as justified. A guy driving a mini-van could be dangerous, but not that dangerous.
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Let me chase you with my car to see how dangerous it is... :)
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In many situations law enforcement can shoot dangerous felons in order to prevent their escape. The rest of us have to limit our actions to self-defense. Parking lots usually have lots of other vehicles and lamp posts, and then there are the corners of the building itself.
Did these bouncers have to step out from a safer position in order to fire at the van?
Why do so many members of this TUSCL forum just seem to accept thug bouncers as an unavoidable reality, and one that they should be subsidizing?
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SJG, you're assuming that they started off in a position of safety. The impression I got from the brief description is that they escorted him to his mini-van to make sure he left the property.
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your retarded san_jose_guy. Cars are way more dangerous than guns you retard. This thug once tried to chace me in his car. He said he was just going down the block to the store but he was black so I know he wanted to mug me. So I shot him. I missed but i think i scarred him becuz he said he was calling the police. Like a thug wood call the police. He could have killed me you retard. But I had my gun. So I win you hippy retard.
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Sounds like some pretty crazy people out there with guns. Unfortunately it is sounding like some of the people with guns are the ones who think they are doing right.
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I'm sure the guy with the mini-van thought he was doing right, too.
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Yes, in his present mind set he would have thought so. But my point is that it is very unlikely that the bouncers were justified in their use of force. Civilians can defend themselves, but they cannot shoot someone just to keep them from escaping. Getting out of the way of a vehicle is a better defense than trying to shoot the driver. I fear that these bouncers are screwy and dangerous people. Too many on TUSCL just accept this.
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The guy in the minivan wasn't trying to escape. He was trying to kill people.
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So here is the point, were the bouncers using firearms purely in self defense? If so they were acting lawfully. Or were they firing to stop a dangerous man with a minivan from doing property damage and escaping. If so, they were being vigilantes and they could find themselves being charged with murder 1.
I also am very concerned if there are armed bouncers who are this quick to start firing. These people are not authorized to act as cops. They are not trained to be cops. I don't think they are trained at all and many of them are just creeps.
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Straight from the original post:
"One of the security guards told police the man said, "I'll kill everyone here," then got into his green Kia minivan and tried to run one of the bouncers over."
Self-defense for themselves and for other parties.
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There has to be a proximal and credible threat. A guy saying he is going to kill everyone there, by running them over with a mini-van, that is not a credible threat.
Bouncers are not cops and they are not authorized to act like cops, and I am not pleased at the idea of lots of them running around with guns.
Also, this statement is from the bouncers. They have to be considered as homicide suspects when evaluating their credibility.
Has anyone found follow on investigation info about this matter?
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SJG, you weren't there, and I wasn't there. Neither of us knows just what the layout was like and certainly neither of us knows just what was going on in the heads of any of those folks. Bouncers may not be cops (well, unless they're off-duty and trying to make a few extra bucks) but they are considered security, and in some instances, security is permitted to carry guns. And where does it say "lots of them" are running around with guns?
And, you know, what doesn't please you just might be a necessity for security, if not survival, for others.
"Ideals are peaceful. History is violent." -- Brad Pitt as "Don 'Wardaddy' Collier" in the movie "Fury." The quote seems somewhat appropriate right now.
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If bouncers are acting as vigilantes, then this has got to be stopped.
Anyone have more information about any follow up investigation?
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