I broke down and went to the AMP...ahh!!!

Shit, I pay $100 for a quarter of top shelf weed! I need to shop around more!

Yeah, but at least you generally know when you go to an AMP what kinda action your gonna get. Strip clubs a lot of times can be a crap shoot.

$70 for 2 weeks of gas! What do you drive, a Vespa?

If you like your RA, why not do FS with her? Lots of people who go to AMPs don't realize that FS can be available. The RA's promote HJ's, "How much you tip me? You give me nice tip huh?" But in most areas they don't promote FS because they need to keep it discrete. San Francisco is an obvious exception.

But if you just warm her up with words some and come on to her, you can almost always get FS. Just treat her like a civilian at all times. Let her feel in her bones how much she turns you on.

Often if you can get to her some, it can be GFE-FS. Those sessions are phenomenal. One of the reasons that the RA's go for it is that otherwise their jobs are boring, and so they like sharing intimacies with new people who they might be able to develop outside relationships with. The best sessions are never really P4P. The girl is just Playing Along With Play 4 Pay ( PAWP4P ). We need to learn to PAWP4P too. This applies to AMPs and also to Strip Clubs, and to all mongering venues.

The dressing chairs are useful, as is the massage table. But best for the home stretch is to take the twin bed sized flat sheet and the pillow off of the narrow massage table and then put these on the floor.

I've read posts from some guys on SF RB, once they first learned that they can get FS in storefront AMPs. They were in ecstasy. I remember my first time that way, I just moved on the girl and she quickly gave it up. I was blown away by how easy women can be, when they want to be.

But to get GFE, you've got to learn how to charm the girls some. And also, marijuana and other intoxicants won't help. I fear that people going looking for ejaculation are just addicted to the endorphin rush which follows it. That isn't good.

To make it go well you have to let the girl feel good about you, so that she can lower her emotional barriers and open herself to you.

We should be making it go this way in strip clubs too, not this dry humping or extras model, or this extras-FS which involves no female surrender. Strip clubs offer the greatest potential for free form fraternizing before either side commits to going any further. So of course this offers the greatest potential for mind blowing GFE sessions.

SJG

Aerosmith, Jaded youtube.com

I go to the amp every 3 weeks

Nothing wrong with being pampered on occasion. The lady I go to now charges new clients $150 an hour, I'm "grandfathered" into her old rate of $100.

Worth every penny, even at the higher price.

BOOM!!! Jackie wins again!!!!

I've been reading Rub Maps extensively. I have registered as a free member, and so I get to read the old reviews. Anyone can use the Advanced Search. For example, you can look for places with claims of FS, kissing, and FIV.

Some conclusions I make about this:

First, I think it really stupid to post such information right out where LE can get it and then just walk in the front door.

On RB, we never did this with AMPs, only with AAMPs which require an appointment and which never list an address. RB never got any of these places in trouble with the law or the neighbors.

Next, I think it just improper to post this, as they are doing it with the girl's name and description. Just should not do that. Totally uncool.

Further, I think most of these people who are writing these reviews are idots. That is, they don't know how to court the girl and get her ready for a good GFE session. They are negotiating with her from the position of being naked on the massage table. They never get her off script.

Lots of them don't even seem to want FS. I have no idea why someone would go to such a place if they were not looking for FS, and done in a GFE manner. My own experiences in South Bay are very good, and San Francisco was always phenomenal.

I believe that there is more FS and more GFE going on, its just that the people who get it are smart enough not to talk about it.

This has turned into a war. Really stupid to jeopardize this industry by posting about it in detail, as it is mostly FS for those who know how to get it. It has turned into a war. youtube.com

Massage in Warren Ohio youtube.com 25 miles east of Akron

Modeling Studios and Asian Spas part1 youtube.com part2 youtube.com

Double Dragon, San Francisco youtube.com

Anyway, I look at some of the areas of California between the Bay Area and that real nice SC area which starts with City of Industry. I think that in some of my planned layover and connections spots, AMPs will fill in the gaps where the SC's still might not be places which actually deliver ITC.

San Francisco, Tenderloin youtube.com Includes MBOT, New Century, lots of AMPs, and Glide Memorial United Methodist Church

SJG

Scorpions, Winds of Change youtube.com

Elite Massage, 519 Bush St., San Francisco

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Isn't this a neat color and a great looking building, distinctively San Francisco?

I looks like the streets are open and the air is clean. It is clearly an ocean front place. But it is not like So Cal in that it is urban, and it is not always sunny. It is more like Portland or Seattle.

I read reviews of these places, and in the SF ones, the girls are sex crazed, at least at the best of them.

Here I talk about times I was able to set up phenomenal AMP sessions by getting around the normal selection process in order to court the girl and get her giddied up.

I try to relate this to dancer T.'s posts about the benefits of dives, because of the relative lack of rules.

tuscl.net

We should be able to do even more of this in SC's than in AMP's

SJG

Super Heavy youtube.com

I officially quitted AMP. The first time I went, I was 19 and expected some riding action or at least bjs. All she did was blow on the tip and jerk me off. Nowadays, I don't bother with cheap Massauses. Only certified massages in certified locations.

This is a review of a session in a San Francisco AMP. It is with an older provider. I lifted this off of Rub Maps. I used Advanced Search to narrow it down to the ones which do the most FS and other extras. Many of the reviews are not far from this. These ladies are really good, and this jives with my own memories of SF from my early years of marriage. After some of this and much more locally, I decided that I should stop and become fully faithful and try to make the marriage work. It didn't.

" Okay, she's old, but she is a sex machine. I visit anytime I'm in the bay area. I'm not sure how much goes to the house because I've never been asked for money. I've given $100 - $200 each time. My most memorable quotes from (name) are, "You finish too fast. Rest a minute and we do it again" and "You put it in my butt so you remember to come back sooner next time, okay?" "

Unless FS is done this well in SC's, I don't know why people would go for it. Likewise, I have no idea why people would go for the dry humping or extras sort of SC's.

SJG

Steely Dan, greatest hits, sides 1 and 2 youtube.com

Yes indeed, I did go back to the AMP and I did get to session with the girl I had window shopped on Thanksgiving Day, when she was wearing a light blue mini-dress. Her name is Y. The boss, who I had sessioned with the night before is T.

T. did not really do what I had wanted. But I still enjoyed it and I cannot doubt that she is trying to make things nice. But Y. was a shitty and infuriating experience. She is completely unprofessional and money grubbing. I really feel like I should be entitled to at least a partial refund, as she was not being straight in her dealing with me. At least this is how I see it. But I know that this would be extremely unlikely.

T. seemed to be trying to fix it for me with Y. She seems to see that as her job, rather than doing much of the service herself, as T. declines FS.

But Y. was on the last day of Aunt Flo. This should not have mattered. But for whatever reason she repeatedly declined FIV, and she is completely non-GFE. She was not straight in her dealings either. Either this, or there was a misunderstanding between us. But even so, she was being completely unreasonable. I am not really interested in sex acts with a woman when the emotional dynamic is this negative.

I think T. was again trying to further fix it for us. So after a departure, when Y. came back into the room she started talking about how she needs to know me first and that she can be better next time. I knew that this was bullshit, as if she wanted to be better with me she would start right at that moment, instead of talking about it. But then she started talking about how she would like to have a boyfriend and do all the things ( meaning sex acts ) that other people do. From then on the session was mostly just talking and she talked to me like she was considering me as potential relationship material. Now she was not auditioning, that would have been different. That would have been really nice. It was more like she was screening me.

From Thanksgiving, this will be session number 9 and girl number 7. I had done two window shoppings earlier in November as well. And of course I record all sightings of the girls on the calendar, to try and discern their lunar cycles.

But of these girls, Y. does seem to be the most computer competent. I don't use facebook, but she does, and she gave me along with her birthdate and phone number, what appears to be a genuine email address based on her real name. This email address leads right to her facebook page, which confirms the name and has good pictures of her. She seems to be what she presents herself as, an unattached woman without children who lives with her parents in San Jose. All the text on her facebook page and all of her friends are Vietnamese. Anyway, I have sent a first email to her. The only way I normally communicate with people is by email.

I was not able to be open about my personal life with these girls when I was married. It turns out that for other reasons, major all encompassing commitments, I still cannot really be open. But at least I am trying to establish and maintain communications, and to be a gentleman even when things spin negative, so that some sort of long term association might be established. Not sure if this can work or not.

It does seem like GFE is completely alien to Y., perhaps for her entire life. This is more common among Asian providers, especially Koreans.

So I will continue some of my interpretations about this on the Viagra, or Declining Sexual Capacity Thread.

Viagra Thread: Is it things like frustration with marriage, coupled with frustrations from the P4P types of sex, which cause the psychological changes which cause the decrease in male sexual capacity with age? tuscl.net

Reply on Mr. LDK's thread about how RedBook made the sessions radically better: tuscl.net

SJG

Gary Moore, Wishing Well youtube.com

Yes, light blue mini dress Vietnamese Y. is in my opinion inept and incompetent in the erotic massage room, and she is also completely unprofessional. This includes the dealings and taking the money.

But if she were really intending to screw me over, would she have given me an email address built around her real name, and that takes me right to her facebook page which confirms the name? The text on the page is 100% Vietnamese, with the special character set to get the pronunciation marks. The pictures of her are as non-erotic as you might find, almost like you would expect on a Born Again Christian's site. And the site lists all her facebook friends, women and men, and all Vietnamese.

Seeing the pictures of her, I am now 100% confident that she was the light blue mini dress girl I window shopped on Thanksgiving Day.

So we will see what happens. Eventually I do want outside civilian relationships. It will be different when I can go into one of these places and pick a girl I like and at some point say, "What time does this place close, 10pm? I'll come back then. I'm taking you out to get something to eat."

When it is done like that, it really doesn't matter what does or does not happen in the massage session, or what it costs either. It's just a way of getting to know her, just playing along with P4P, not really expecting true value for my money. Anything that did not occur will soon be occurring in my own bed, and for free.

In San Francisco I know that they are fully competent, and in my experience if a guy wants to kiss them, they just go with it and kiss and kiss and kiss. Letting the guy do what he wants makes for the best session, and it also lets it escalate and conclude the fastest. So I call it "Explosive GFE".

South Bay could be that way, were it not for the fact that LE has got them all scared, so they have to keep the dynamics toned down, and so hence it is not as competitive of a market. The girls who work in the local shops are not facing anywhere near as high a percentage of guys wanting FS, and they are not competing with shops that really put that right out there for all to see.

But I will be making a second visit to one girl, L. In this place they are the most dolled up and they do all wear eye makeup they would never dare to walk down the street with. They wear stripper height shoes, but without the straps. I want to be sure to get outside contact info on this one, as I like her, and as I am not sure how long that shop will last.

As far as me, I still need emotional healing, healing from something akin to PTSD from my marriage. I also am still involved in extremely sensitive and all encompassing matters. I am obliged to protect these responsibilities, and there is no line between my personal and public life. Of course I would be proud to be introducing any of these RA's to my friends and associates. That would never be an issue. The issue is that I have to maintain a strict security envelop around my current responsibilities.

And eventually I will be making multiple trips to ever further ranging areas of the country. In some places the SC's are better. In other places the AMP's are better. So I'll be partaking of both.

SJG

Dizzy Gillespie - Jazz session 1970, includes Night in Tunisia youtube.com

I like your link on Warren, OH. Wish there were more Police Departments who would make it clear that simple prostitution busts are not high priority. Although it does sound like there may be some coercion of the girls going on.