The Correlation Between Political Ideology and Strip Club Quality
JohnSmith69
layin low but staying high
The quality of strip clubs in any particular city is obviously a multi-faceted issue that has many causes. Nonetheless, the prevailing political climate of a city or state -- conservative or liberal -- is an obvious factor in most areas. I had a theory in this regard when I first started going to strip clubs. My theory was that the more liberal a city or state was politically, the better the strip clubs would be. This theory made total sense at the time. Liberals should not want to impose morals by regulating strip clubs and would therefore be much more inclined to let the men and women in strip clubs do whatever they please.
So I went to ultra liberal Boston in Taxachusetts, expecting a sexual free for all inspired by the local liberals in power. Instead, I found among the worst clubs in the nation where not the slightest hint of touching would be tolerated no matter how much a guy would pay. Chicago? Equally if not more liberal than Boston, but equally terrible, no fun, no touching strip clubs. I had to drive 30 minutes outside of Chicago to have the slightest amount of fun. Then I went to Seattle, another ultra liberal bastion where I hoped my fortunes would change. But no change. The same crap searching in vain for a good time. Then I went to Washington DC which has an overwhelming liberal local government. The strip clubs are shit. Don't ever waste your time going to a club in DC. Cleveland, Minneapolis, and New York are other very liberal cities that have very sub par strip clubs.
In many conservative cities, I initially expected to find poor clubs but I often found the exact opposite. In many of the conservative cities, the clubs were good or excellent. Atlanta, for example, in the heart of the Bible belt, has lots of strip clubs with full contact and extras. Texas and most of its cities are conservative, but there are good strip clubs throughout the state. Why can't more liberal areas support a club like Baby Dolls? Florida is also a fairly conservative state but there are outstanding strip clubs in communities throughout the state on both coasts. South Carolina is also a politically conservative state but there are above average clubs in Greenville, Columbia, and Myrtle Beach.
Now I admit that this correlation is not 100%. Detroit is the most obvious exception, a very liberal city with outstanding strip clubs. There are also some very conservative areas that have nothing but worthless clubs. Utah, for example, is the hell of strip clubs and this is clearly driven by the conservative ideology of the overwhelming Mormon population (and also by the fact that all of the men there have multiple wives to fuck so they have less reason to need the club when the old ball and chain says no). But overall, in the majority of instances, it is clearly the case in my experience that the more liberal a state or city is the higher the regulation of strip clubs is likely to be (and therefore the less fun and value you can get at the clubs). Why is this the case?
After considering this for a while, I believe that the answer lies in the views of conservatives and liberals on government regulation. Conservatives are anti-big government and are opposed to excessive government regulation, and this leads to less regulation of strip clubs and a better customer experience. In many areas, the conservatives' anti-government views are so strong that they are often able to overcome the judgmental morality viewpoint of some conservatives.
Likewise, liberals generally favor extensive government regulation, and this leads to more regulation of strip clubs and a worse customer experience. In many areas, the liberals' pro-government regulation views are so strong that they overcome what would otherwise be the liberals' permissive views on sex and morality. In other words, in most instances, a political party's views on the role of government regulation overcome its views on sexual morality.
That ends my political analysis. Now I'm headed to a conservative city to get a blow job.
So I went to ultra liberal Boston in Taxachusetts, expecting a sexual free for all inspired by the local liberals in power. Instead, I found among the worst clubs in the nation where not the slightest hint of touching would be tolerated no matter how much a guy would pay. Chicago? Equally if not more liberal than Boston, but equally terrible, no fun, no touching strip clubs. I had to drive 30 minutes outside of Chicago to have the slightest amount of fun. Then I went to Seattle, another ultra liberal bastion where I hoped my fortunes would change. But no change. The same crap searching in vain for a good time. Then I went to Washington DC which has an overwhelming liberal local government. The strip clubs are shit. Don't ever waste your time going to a club in DC. Cleveland, Minneapolis, and New York are other very liberal cities that have very sub par strip clubs.
In many conservative cities, I initially expected to find poor clubs but I often found the exact opposite. In many of the conservative cities, the clubs were good or excellent. Atlanta, for example, in the heart of the Bible belt, has lots of strip clubs with full contact and extras. Texas and most of its cities are conservative, but there are good strip clubs throughout the state. Why can't more liberal areas support a club like Baby Dolls? Florida is also a fairly conservative state but there are outstanding strip clubs in communities throughout the state on both coasts. South Carolina is also a politically conservative state but there are above average clubs in Greenville, Columbia, and Myrtle Beach.
Now I admit that this correlation is not 100%. Detroit is the most obvious exception, a very liberal city with outstanding strip clubs. There are also some very conservative areas that have nothing but worthless clubs. Utah, for example, is the hell of strip clubs and this is clearly driven by the conservative ideology of the overwhelming Mormon population (and also by the fact that all of the men there have multiple wives to fuck so they have less reason to need the club when the old ball and chain says no). But overall, in the majority of instances, it is clearly the case in my experience that the more liberal a state or city is the higher the regulation of strip clubs is likely to be (and therefore the less fun and value you can get at the clubs). Why is this the case?
After considering this for a while, I believe that the answer lies in the views of conservatives and liberals on government regulation. Conservatives are anti-big government and are opposed to excessive government regulation, and this leads to less regulation of strip clubs and a better customer experience. In many areas, the conservatives' anti-government views are so strong that they are often able to overcome the judgmental morality viewpoint of some conservatives.
Likewise, liberals generally favor extensive government regulation, and this leads to more regulation of strip clubs and a worse customer experience. In many areas, the liberals' pro-government regulation views are so strong that they overcome what would otherwise be the liberals' permissive views on sex and morality. In other words, in most instances, a political party's views on the role of government regulation overcome its views on sexual morality.
That ends my political analysis. Now I'm headed to a conservative city to get a blow job.
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"also by the fact that all of the men there have multiple wives to fuck"
Huh? Polygamy no longer legal even in Utah. Maybe there is still some, but would be very underground - very far from "all of the men".
Have you actually been there?
When I googled "most liberal" cities, it seems so.
Top 10
Detroit
Gary, Indiana
Berkeley
Washington DC
Oakland
Inglewood, CA
Newark
Cambridge, Mass
San Francisco
Flint, Michigan
We have 7 predominantly black cities. 2 university towns and San Francisco
My comment about multiple wives was a sarcastic joke.
An ideologically pure libertarian would favor little if any government regulation an either economic activities or personal behavior.
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view) there are few if any ideological liberals, conservatives, or libertarians. Any even if there were ideologically pure liberals who might have an interest in overturning puritanical strip club laws and regulations put in place by previous administrations, there usually is not the political will to do so. "Reforming" strip club laws to make them more lenient does not rank high on a list of those things the public cares about.
The forces of repression supporting the kinds of laws that the readers of TUSCL don't like, are far more vocal than the voices that would allow for those of us who would prefer an anything goes atmosphere.
I think the correlation we really have to worry about is how clubs rate compared to how the local LE is willing to enforce the law.
Like all areas in our country, I'm afraid politicians are deathly afraid to address the whole issue where there's little to gain politically and plenty to lose. So while most of our olde "Blue Laws" have been repealed or rewritten, no one wants to say its okay to touch a naked dancer for money. Reading the reviews of many of the rural and suburban clubs outside Boston is evidence that regulars do get higher mileage which may be a sign of indifference or payoffs to local officials. However at the higher mileage clubs in MA, dancers generally live in fear of undercover cops. It just ain't right.
In SoCal, the three main mileage cities are Anaheim (presumably conservative Orange County), City of Industry (pro-business since it only has businesses and a few residents), and Gardena (black, presumably liberal). Oh, and Upland, which is conservative, mostly families and retired folks.
Who knows?
I'm guessing it's really a function of who complains about strip clubs, and which businesses can influence the politicians to leave them alone.
If there happen to be a lot of people in a strip club neighborhood who complain about presumed nasty activities, the cops have to respond. Usually.
San Francisco used to be a mileage capital, now it's pretty dead. And it's super liberal. I think it's mainly about the political climate at the time and the attitudes of the residents.
I suspect that in the liberal areas where you have "good" clubs (like SF and Detroit), you'll find that the clubs have found ways to "reward" local police to stay away.In libertarian areas (like Phoenix and Texas), the clubs are allowed to operate freely on general principal.
Conservatives want no government interference so they should be pro abortion, pro birth control as a non prescription (like Europe), legal prostitution and let a strip club business operate anywhere they want, and abhor laws interfering in gay marriage. Who is the government to say who can marry?.
Obviously not many conservatives agree with the above; those are so called liberal ideals. As for guns, only the most liberal society would allow freedom of gun ownership, so it's really the liberal thinking people who want to eliminate gun control laws. Yet in America we see the opposite side: it's the conservatives who want the Wild West to return.
Liberals want to save us from ourselves. They want to "protect" society in general so you get a lot of stupid laws from them. Liberals seem to want to regulate everything, including SC's. They think the role of government is to be involved in our every day life choices. Only a liberal would want to save society from the scourge of abortion, gay marriage etc. if they truly believe these practices are bad for America. Yet it's the conservative who think this way.
I think in America the labels we use are poor. I'm conservative as far as the Nanny State goes: I want government to butt out. I'm a liberal in that I support national health care and reasonable gun laws. Can we at least have background checks? We should have government provided abortions and birth control. After all, if you don't want an abortion, don't have one!
But yes, sometimes those with certain types of liberal views do want to impose more restrictions. It is just that the arguments used by liberals are different from the arguments conservatives use to crack down on strip clubs.
Some sorts of liberals will portray the situation as one where all women are being oppressed by sex work and pornography. Whereas conservatives will say that the entire society is being corrupted by these same things.
I am surprised in reading this board to learn that Phoenix and Texas have high mileage clubs. In part I think it is just that those who would be against strip clubs are not likely to go into a strip club. So they will be more interested in seeing their LE's arresting "suspected" illegal immigrants than strippers doing FS.
I read that in Nevada the legal houses are having a hard time because of strip clubs with VIP rooms, strippers doing OTC, and independent escorts. I suspect that those who are against prostitution might be keeping more quite because they know that cracking down on this would only help the legal house operators. They would not want to be doing this. So maybe they ignore the strippers and instead just limit their efforts to attempts to repeal licensing law.
It is hard to make prostitution busts. LE won't do it unless there is a clear political mandate.
Sometimes also, what happens is the situation runs wild until there is a backlash. This would seem to be the case with San Francisco's clubs, and also lots of other places where it reads like they were once very open, but now their is a crack down and there are lots of new ordinances.
I would have thought that Southern strip clubs were worthless. But as I read, this is completely wrong. But also consider, that most Southerners are not like the cultural standards of conformity that are held up. Most are poor, so poor white women probably do like to get down and earthy and share body fluids.
Also, the Southern Republican vote is a white vote. There are still enough unregistered but eligible blacks to overturn statewide contests by at least a 5 to 1 margin. So when you also include blacks in your view of the South, it is a completely different picture.
And yes, many of the large liberal voting cities have a huge black percentage.
So you have muni Atlanta 54% black, and muni Memphis 62% black. I have never lived in places like this. But it is also just as much true for some key northern cities.
I would imagine that the white clubs are under pressure to keep up with the value and mileage offered in the black clubs.
SJG
That a rhetorical statement (if I understood it correctly) – of course those that are against strip clubs and want to shut them down are not those that go to strip clubs.
“… I would imagine that the white clubs are under pressure to keep up with the value and mileage offered in the black clubs …â€
I don’t see it that way – IMO people visit the types of clubs they have a preference for – IMO most SCers have a dancer ethnic preference and would visit the clubs that have those types of dancers: i.e. if a SCer is into Caucasian women; I don’t think eh would mostly visit black SCs b/c of the mileage – so to me I don’t think white and black SCs are in competition w/ each other – IMO.