The Correlation Between Political Ideology and Strip Club Quality

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The strip clubs in Utah didn't seem any worse than neighboring states, other than Arizona. American Bush was just bursting at the seams with girls, for instance. Only about 50% of Salt Lake City are actually Mormons, so you would have at least them to draw on for "bad girls". I also doubt that you would have too hard a time finding even church girls who didn't take that part of their faith overly seriously.

"also by the fact that all of the men there have multiple wives to fuck"

Huh? Polygamy no longer legal even in Utah. Maybe there is still some, but would be very underground - very far from "all of the men".

Have you actually been there?

Does racial make-up equate with "liberal-ness"?

When I googled "most liberal" cities, it seems so.

Top 10

Detroit Gary, Indiana Berkeley Washington DC Oakland Inglewood, CA Newark Cambridge, Mass San Francisco Flint, Michigan

We have 7 predominantly black cities. 2 university towns and San Francisco

Dougster, I have been to Salt Lake City many times (at least a dozen) although I stopped going to clubs there years ago. The "best" club there literally has the girls dance in a metal cage like a zoo animal. There are no dances at that club, not even clothed. Another club I went to had outrageously priced lap dances with minimal contact and ugly girls. The Salt Lake City is not as bad as the smaller cities but that's not saying much. Every hotel room I ever went to had no porn to buy on TV, and the rules for serving alcohol are archaic.

My comment about multiple wives was a sarcastic joke.

You should try American Bush next time you are in Salt Lake City. Very normal club, tons of girls, reasonably priced (cheap actually) and very private VIP rooms.

An ideologically pure liberal favors government regulations on the economy, but not on personal behavior. An ideologically pure conservative has the opposite beliefs, favoring government regulations on personal behavior (think sex education, birth control, abortion restrictions) and little if any regulations on economic activities.

An ideologically pure libertarian would favor little if any government regulation an either economic activities or personal behavior.

Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view) there are few if any ideological liberals, conservatives, or libertarians. Any even if there were ideologically pure liberals who might have an interest in overturning puritanical strip club laws and regulations put in place by previous administrations, there usually is not the political will to do so. "Reforming" strip club laws to make them more lenient does not rank high on a list of those things the public cares about.

The forces of repression supporting the kinds of laws that the readers of TUSCL don't like, are far more vocal than the voices that would allow for those of us who would prefer an anything goes atmosphere.

The correlation is there is no correlation. The trouble is that most of the time when you are in an area where strip clubs suck, it's because there was some incident in the past where something happened that so outraged the citizenry that they decided the law had to be changed and it didn't matter which side of the political aisle you were on.

I think the correlation we really have to worry about is how clubs rate compared to how the local LE is willing to enforce the law.

Being a resident and taxpayer in Taxachusetts, I really don't understand the puritanical laws governing strip clubs, especially when Hell did not freeze over when neighboring Rhode Island had legal prostitution ( inside) for a number of years. Like all areas in our country, I'm afraid politicians are deathly afraid to address the whole issue where there's little to gain politically and plenty to lose. So while most of our olde "Blue Laws" have been repealed or rewritten, no one wants to say its okay to touch a naked dancer for money. Reading the reviews of many of the rural and suburban clubs outside Boston is evidence that regulars do get higher mileage which may be a sign of indifference or payoffs to local officials. However at the higher mileage clubs in MA, dancers generally live in fear of undercover cops. It just ain't right.

The main problem may be that the U.S. is like a 3rd-world country (i.e. way behind the curve) when it comes to its views on sexuality; as compared to the rest of the industrialized world.

Interesting...

In SoCal, the three main mileage cities are Anaheim (presumably conservative Orange County), City of Industry (pro-business since it only has businesses and a few residents), and Gardena (black, presumably liberal). Oh, and Upland, which is conservative, mostly families and retired folks.

Who knows?

I'm guessing it's really a function of who complains about strip clubs, and which businesses can influence the politicians to leave them alone.

If there happen to be a lot of people in a strip club neighborhood who complain about presumed nasty activities, the cops have to respond. Usually.

San Francisco used to be a mileage capital, now it's pretty dead. And it's super liberal. I think it's mainly about the political climate at the time and the attitudes of the residents.

If there is a correlation, it might have to be with a Libertarian leaning culture (favoring individual freedom and minimal government interference). That's not the same as conservative. In fact, it's the opposite of social conservatives.

I suspect that in the liberal areas where you have "good" clubs (like SF and Detroit), you'll find that the clubs have found ways to "reward" local police to stay away.In libertarian areas (like Phoenix and Texas), the clubs are allowed to operate freely on general principal.

A board of the least educated among us. Polygamy has never been legal in Utah. They were required to amend their state constitution to make it illegal before becoming part of the United States. Massachusetts is very liberal and the strip clubs suck. Rhode Island is very liberal and the strip clubs are at the top in America, but Providence was always the main mafia city and Boston an offshoot. More rural and conservative areas in Florida have better strip clubs as well.

Both liberals and conservatives are so hypocritical when it comes to walking the walk I don't see a correlation.

Conservatives want no government interference so they should be pro abortion, pro birth control as a non prescription (like Europe), legal prostitution and let a strip club business operate anywhere they want, and abhor laws interfering in gay marriage. Who is the government to say who can marry?.

Obviously not many conservatives agree with the above; those are so called liberal ideals. As for guns, only the most liberal society would allow freedom of gun ownership, so it's really the liberal thinking people who want to eliminate gun control laws. Yet in America we see the opposite side: it's the conservatives who want the Wild West to return.

Liberals want to save us from ourselves. They want to "protect" society in general so you get a lot of stupid laws from them. Liberals seem to want to regulate everything, including SC's. They think the role of government is to be involved in our every day life choices. Only a liberal would want to save society from the scourge of abortion, gay marriage etc. if they truly believe these practices are bad for America. Yet it's the conservative who think this way.

I think in America the labels we use are poor. I'm conservative as far as the Nanny State goes: I want government to butt out. I'm a liberal in that I support national health care and reasonable gun laws. Can we at least have background checks? We should have government provided abortions and birth control. After all, if you don't want an abortion, don't have one!

I think you are seeing a confluence of forces. Generally liberal places are more open about sex. In Bottom Feeders, John Hubner shows how Jim and Artie Mitchell were able to offer lap dancing and get arrested and booked over 100 times, because the newspapers sided with them and mocked the police, and because attempts to convict them did not convince juries.

But yes, sometimes those with certain types of liberal views do want to impose more restrictions. It is just that the arguments used by liberals are different from the arguments conservatives use to crack down on strip clubs.

Some sorts of liberals will portray the situation as one where all women are being oppressed by sex work and pornography. Whereas conservatives will say that the entire society is being corrupted by these same things.

I am surprised in reading this board to learn that Phoenix and Texas have high mileage clubs. In part I think it is just that those who would be against strip clubs are not likely to go into a strip club. So they will be more interested in seeing their LE's arresting "suspected" illegal immigrants than strippers doing FS.

I read that in Nevada the legal houses are having a hard time because of strip clubs with VIP rooms, strippers doing OTC, and independent escorts. I suspect that those who are against prostitution might be keeping more quite because they know that cracking down on this would only help the legal house operators. They would not want to be doing this. So maybe they ignore the strippers and instead just limit their efforts to attempts to repeal licensing law.

It is hard to make prostitution busts. LE won't do it unless there is a clear political mandate.

Sometimes also, what happens is the situation runs wild until there is a backlash. This would seem to be the case with San Francisco's clubs, and also lots of other places where it reads like they were once very open, but now their is a crack down and there are lots of new ordinances.

I would have thought that Southern strip clubs were worthless. But as I read, this is completely wrong. But also consider, that most Southerners are not like the cultural standards of conformity that are held up. Most are poor, so poor white women probably do like to get down and earthy and share body fluids.

Also, the Southern Republican vote is a white vote. There are still enough unregistered but eligible blacks to overturn statewide contests by at least a 5 to 1 margin. So when you also include blacks in your view of the South, it is a completely different picture.

And yes, many of the large liberal voting cities have a huge black percentage.

So you have muni Atlanta 54% black, and muni Memphis 62% black. I have never lived in places like this. But it is also just as much true for some key northern cities.

I would imagine that the white clubs are under pressure to keep up with the value and mileage offered in the black clubs.

SJG

“…I n part I think it is just that those who would be against strip clubs are not likely to go into a strip club …”

That a rhetorical statement (if I understood it correctly) – of course those that are against strip clubs and want to shut them down are not those that go to strip clubs.

“… I would imagine that the white clubs are under pressure to keep up with the value and mileage offered in the black clubs …”

I don’t see it that way – IMO people visit the types of clubs they have a preference for – IMO most SCers have a dancer ethnic preference and would visit the clubs that have those types of dancers: i.e. if a SCer is into Caucasian women; I don’t think eh would mostly visit black SCs b/c of the mileage – so to me I don’t think white and black SCs are in competition w/ each other – IMO.