Partition Theory
I believe that strippers generally partition people they have relationships with into three categories:
1) Lovers. People they would fuck. A subgroup of this they would also form LTRs with.
2) Friends. Strippers like these people and well spend time with them for free, but they won't fuck them.
3) Customers: Pays her money for time or dances. Strippers won't fuck people in this group except maybe for money. They don't respect them when all is said and done. They don't like them enough to spend time with them for free.
Once you get into one partition it is going to be extremely hard for you to get into another. Think of there being massive walls around the partitions. How are you going to leap over them?
Strippers also like to make it unclear as which partition you are in, so you had best figure it out for yourself. In fact if you ask a stripper she may lie as to what partition you are in. She will rationalize this lying as "not wanting to hurt your feelings" when in fact she is doing it to make money for herself. In general, if you have to ask....
If you want to date or become friends with a strippers do not get into category 3) to begin with. Do not spend money on her. If you want to fuck a stripper also be careful not to get into partition 2). To get into a lower numbered partition you have to make it clear that it is not acceptable to you to be in a higher numbered partition.
One way to get into a desired partition with a new stripper is to already be in (or have been in) that partition with another stripper or club employee. Unforunately this includes the dreaded partition 3).
Partition transformations are extremley rare. Try to get into the right partition right from the start. Do not try and ask if partition theory is a good and just way for strippers to operate. That thinking that way will not change reality and will get you nowhere. Just accept that it is a facet of "Stripper Logic" that you are going to have to deal with.
1) Lovers. People they would fuck. A subgroup of this they would also form LTRs with.
2) Friends. Strippers like these people and well spend time with them for free, but they won't fuck them.
3) Customers: Pays her money for time or dances. Strippers won't fuck people in this group except maybe for money. They don't respect them when all is said and done. They don't like them enough to spend time with them for free.
Once you get into one partition it is going to be extremely hard for you to get into another. Think of there being massive walls around the partitions. How are you going to leap over them?
Strippers also like to make it unclear as which partition you are in, so you had best figure it out for yourself. In fact if you ask a stripper she may lie as to what partition you are in. She will rationalize this lying as "not wanting to hurt your feelings" when in fact she is doing it to make money for herself. In general, if you have to ask....
If you want to date or become friends with a strippers do not get into category 3) to begin with. Do not spend money on her. If you want to fuck a stripper also be careful not to get into partition 2). To get into a lower numbered partition you have to make it clear that it is not acceptable to you to be in a higher numbered partition.
One way to get into a desired partition with a new stripper is to already be in (or have been in) that partition with another stripper or club employee. Unforunately this includes the dreaded partition 3).
Partition transformations are extremley rare. Try to get into the right partition right from the start. Do not try and ask if partition theory is a good and just way for strippers to operate. That thinking that way will not change reality and will get you nowhere. Just accept that it is a facet of "Stripper Logic" that you are going to have to deal with.
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Keys not to be seen as "bullshiter": make it clear you don't buy dances; if you plan to get dates make your intentions and moves earlier on.
I certainly agree that you have to be her type. Why should anything be magical about strippers as opposed to other women?
Hehe... Ok, I see what you say about me overestimating your eduction now. ;-) (Well not really: I didn't think you would know about Godel's theorem, but thought you would be prudent enough not to bluff.)
LMFAO!
Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Einstein's theory of special AND general relativity. Guess I rebutted you DavidS. Oh, Euclidian AND non-Euclidian geometry. Ha, take that! Haven't had enough? Ok, postmodernism, logical positivism, DECONSTRUCTION. René Descartes, Francis Bacon, Jaques Deriada, Friedrich Nietzsche. Tremble before my unassailable argument. Logic, I don't need no stinkin' logic. I've got buzzwords!
Do I have to be right, no, but I refuse to let the pablum you spout as if it is some sort of received wisdom stand without scrutiny. Your intellectual shit stinks just like everyone else's.
As for logic, I think you need to start with the basics. Godel's theorems deal with the crisis of foundations when it comes right down to it. Hume dealt with that about 150 years before Godel. All logical systems start with assumptions. Godel merely showed that math was no exception. Godel is astrophysics and you don't even have the planet's names memorized (if you'll permit the metaphore). Given that most of your premises are non-falsifiable, most of your arguments are logically flawed, and most of your conclusions unsupportable, start with the basics, then tell me what Godel meant, or better yet, tell me what Godel's theorem's mean now, and how they apply to our discussion.
I am more interested in studying and trying to develop strategies and tactics for making friends or girlfriends in strip clubs without spending money.
If someone has some valuable insights into this topic or points out flaws in my approach I may very well respond at length. However, if it is just going to be a case of me pointing out how I said "x not y" or they explain themselves why their criticism doesn't quite apply then it's not even worth my time to reply when I could be studying instead. (I will just trust other readers to be able to see the problems with the criticizes when they are suffeciently obvious.)
Anyway, I had fun debating with you in the past, you are clearly fairly well educated.
However, I would work on your desire to always be right: by yielding once in a while when you are clearly wrong you will build your credibility not harm it. Also avoid strawman: it can be an effective tactic (especially against the unaware)l, but isn't it more challenging to defeat the real position?
Also don't focus so much on the minutae how some line may not hold 100% of the time and therefore the post doesn't make sense over all. That makes you look like a nerd. Just try to get the gist of it, and attack the gist instead.
In general I think you read some things too literally when it suits you (and may clearly be a joke) and not literally enough when that suits you:
Again by trying to always prove that your are the smartest you may be hampering your ability to learn.
But anyway, so to seem so negative toward you: I see alot of potential in you. Good luck, my friend.
FONDL: "They don't scheme or plan, they react." Too funny!
Second, davids also implies that everyone's objective is or should be to get the most for the least amount of money. Again I disagree. When I hire someone for any job, I decide what I want, choose someone who I think is good at doing it, and pay them what I consider to be a fair price. I'm never looking for the cheapest bid because I'm a firm believer that in the long run you get what you pay for. And I usually take a long term view in case I may want to hire them again someday, so I want to pay them what I consider to be a fair price. I treat strippers the same way.
I think the original post is an interesting start to a discussion but is overly simplistic and assumes that everyone has the same objectives.
Yes, I have seen guys walk into the club, spend ZERO and immediately go into category one. After all, strippers have the same needs and desires as any other woman, and are only human.
Another interesting fact is that, often, if you get into a category <= 2 from the start she will not try to solicit dances from you.
I think that is a good way to tell if you are in categories 1 or 2: is she trying to solicit dances from you?