Completely Stumbled Into This...

Did you make her an offer? How much will you be paying her to come see you otc for a FS session? How much did you drop on her the 2nd time without getting any pussy.

If this is something about her dating you for zero dollars your being played with ss.

You dropped $600 on her for what dances? That kind of money would get me 3-4 FS (full service - bbbj, sex) sessions itc or otc.

Of course she is going to give ss about her phone. I am sure she met you at the door, she got to you for $600 and now she wants more.

Tell her "honey I will offer you $200 to go to motel with me (or come by my place). I want sex with you." I would be curious how she reacts.

Strippers are undependable. They lie, they play you, they get drunk and forget about you. They promise to come to your place for a night of fun, and at the last minute they text you that a relative just died--which means they got a better offer.

Who knows what they're thinking or what games they're playing. I've been stood up by strippers countless times, and every time they've had a good excuse. My only advice is not to get hooked on 1 dancer. Find several dancers who will see you OTC and spend your money on those who deliver.

"But unfortunately, she quits responding to texts and I chalk it up as someone who wasn't really interested and probably just wanted to get me back to the strip club."

You answered your own question quite nicely. It's all SS. Even when it's not SS, it's still SS.

Until you're actually face to face OTC I would say she's just keeping you on the line.

If the 3rd time you see her isn't OTC, I suspect it will never happen.

lopaw nailed it.

"Strippers are undependable. They lie, they play you, they get drunk and forget about you. They promise to come to your place for a night of fun, and at the last minute they text you that a relative just died--which means they got a better offer.

Who knows what they're thinking or what games they're playing. I've been stood up by strippers countless times, and every time they've had a good excuse. My only advice is not to get hooked on 1 dancer. Find several dancers who will see you OTC and spend your money on those who deliver."

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"You answered your own question quite nicely. It's all SS. Even when it's not SS, it's still SS."

Those two quotes pretty much say it all. Plus IMHO she was just trying to keep you hooked in.

Definitely not dating. Strictly business with an agreed upon amount. I was more explicit with her than I described in the post so there is no confusion about what will happen.

Yeah, I'm thinking if it's a miss on the 3rd attempt I'll move on.

So, first time posting here. Help me with the slang.. OTC? ITC? SS? FS?

OTC = Outside The Club, ITC = Inside The Club, SS = Stripper Shit, FS = Full Sex or Full Service.

There's a glossary at the bottom of the page:

tuscl.net

Oh, and there was one other thing that led me to believe she was serious about this and that was the offer to come to her house. I declined that venue, but her address did check out.

OTC = Outside the Club [Meeting outside the club] ITC = In the Club SS = Stripper Shit [Made up tales or lies] FS = Full service [Fucking]

Smart to decline a meeting in her house unless you KNOW a great deal about this person &/or have known her for a long time.

She's running a hustle on you bro. Drop her and move on. And stop wondering if you did something wrong...save that shit for the civilian chicks.

Most dancers don't seem too serious about keeping their real name a secret. Hard to do in any case. Even if only a few people at the club know a dancer's real name, it's usually a few more than she can trust.

Narcissism is much more common among physically attractive people. It's likely she just never stops to think about how her behavior affects your state of mind, and how that affects her earning from you.

SS, stripper gives you a line. Makes promises she never intends to keep. Gives you a phone number, talks about how she wants to meet up, then poof, never delivers. Always something pops up so it couldn't happen. Maybe we can try again. Then you spend extra on lap dances because hey, this girl really likes you. Yeah, SS. Lies and more lies. One remote possibility is that maybe she is half way honest but her life is s so messed up that she goes from one emergency to the next. She might tell the same line to 8 other guys and have a separate phone she never answers.

Well, ya know strippers tend to be impulsive......if something came up perhaps, she was with another customer that day. This happens to me all the time when i date a stripper.

All of the above gave you good advice. Jackslash summed it up the best. Take their advice.

Also, for slang used on TUSCL, in addition to the glossary mentioned, try urbandictionary.com It's a wealth of info. on sex, escorts, strip club slang, and anything else related to the sex/adult entertainment industry.

Yup, Lopaw hit it out the park. It's always SS. If it bothered us that much, we wouldn't go to the sc. SS is like an annoying kid that you can't smack-yu learn to block it out.

Lowpaw: " Even when it's not SS, it's still SS." What a classic line. Yogi Berra (for us older guys) could not have said it better. I am writing this one down as one of the TUSCL classics. Some day I will post the 10 best.

"You can observe a lot by watching." -- Yogi Berra

"It ain't over till it's over"-Yogi Berra

How did you know her address,"Checked out"?

Lopaw you ought to write a book someday. A book about a female customers adventures would fly off of the shelves. I encourage you to make it as sexually graphic as possible :)

I second sclvr5005. Great idea.

"When you get to a fork in the road, take it." -- Yogi Berra

I believe the guy according to OP did nail her in the VIP and probably discussed price and everything. Honestly bro, it's not worth wracking your brain around. After the second rescheduling, I'd put her on the side burner, still be the fun loving nice guy, just leave all your expectations at home. Not to say you can't always ask now and then, just don't have any hopes. And if she ever does come through, think of it as a lucky experience

"Baseball is 50% hitting and 90% pitching"- Yogi Berra

I think thats it

Half of this game is 90% mental

mason, You never know..my philosophy is to have low expectations. I had been talking with this stripper for over 2 years off and on. We talked about otc but every time I was in her town, she never answered her phone. I enjoyed her company so I would see her in the club from time to time. One afternoon, she leaned in and said "why don't you take me to dinner after my shift and get a room?" I did and we did and we had a regular thing until she quit the biz. I still saw her in the club as well...definitely my ALL time favorite still.

"How can I hit while I'm trying to think."

“… Even when it's not SS, it's still SS …”

LOL - Epic!!!

“… And stop wondering if you did something wrong...save that shit for the civilian chicks …”

Ditto – it’s hard enough to understand civis – don’t even try to understand strippers

“… my philosophy is to have low expectations …”

I definitely second that advice

A lot of these dancers have A LOT going on in their lives.

They often either have kids or a S.O. that complicates things for them – besides that they are notoriously unreliable (some if not many of these women do not have what it takes to hack it in a 9 to 5 job – so not much should be expected from them in terms of “professionalism”).

She may also just want to make sure she keeps you on the reel for when she may have a severe financial emergency.

Like lopaw said; take it as SS – and like magricat said – having low expectations means you won’t be disappointed as much and be less frustrated.

Good advice everyone. Love the Yogi Berra quotes.

I'm not emotionally vested in this, just seriously pumped it could happen. The great thing about the rendezvous point is it's a casino/hotel and I'm playing Texas Hold'em regardless. If she shows up, spec-fucking-tacular. If not, I'm still playing poker.

I know she's got a chaotic life, 3 kids, works the club 4 nights a week, etc. My gut feel is she's legit, given the specifics on price, her availability etc. But I'm also guessing when the agreed upon day rolls around she's playing it by ear and if it works into her schedule great, if not she'll not show. Regardless, I'll assume SS (picking up on the slang!) and if she shows, then great.

The other deal we discussed is her dealing my home poker games. The guys would love that. She said she makes $800 on a good night at the club (small town) for an 8 hour shift. I'd pay her more than that to be stripper/dealer with 7-8 tame guys at my place. I gotta believe that's a better gig than grinding it out at the club.

Most guys pay an avg of $300 for OTC with sex.

A lot of dancers “claim” they make a certain amount; but this is often SS . She “may” make $800 every now and then on a very good night – but I would take her $800 claim as SS to get you to overpay big-time – plus all you want her for is to deal? – man I would pay $200 for her time and no more if no sex is involved – how many hours were you planning to have her for?

If you plan on paying thick chick$800 (or more) for a couple of hours of “dealing” – you are seriously getting ROBed (see glossary).

Assume $800 is high, it sounds high.

Why would you pay her more for work you say is easier?

Poker games are usually 6 hours. I'd rather over-pay initially to let her know I'm serious about paying for her time. If it works out, maybe come to something more reasonable on an on-going basis.

I don’t know about where you live – but usually there are plenty of dancers to choose from for OTC (I dolive in a pretty big city – Miami).

I wouldn’t try to zero in on this chick too much where you may end up not be getting your money’s worth – but if you are really into her particularly – then no-one here will change your mind – my 2 cents

I got a stripper shit once too

Minnesota. Like I said, this opportunity quite literally fell into my lap. The clubs here seem really strict, but maybe more girls do OTC than I assumed.

3rd time is a charm. Had a great time, gonna set this up on a regular basis.