Welfare checks won't pay for 'sinful' liquor tab, strip club costs under new NY

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• samsung1

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  11 years ago

  One thing the article leaves out is that a lot of the employees that work at bars, liquor stores, and strip clubs may be on welfare themselves. They might be cashing their welfare checks at work because they don't have time to go to the bank. This is just going to make life harder on them.
• JuiceBox69

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  11 years ago

  Looks like juice is going into a cheak cashing business late at night lol
• canny

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  11 years ago

  I know a few strippers who are on welfare. They earn a ton of money stripping, live in Section 8 housing, and get food stamps. They get welfare because their income is all cash and they don't report it.
• jackslash

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  11 years ago

  This law may be popular but it is stupid and useless. If somebody really wants to spend welfare money on liquor or strip clubs, they can simply take out the money at a another place before gong to the liquor store or club.
• shadowcat

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  11 years ago

  jackslash - exactly!
• Alucard

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  11 years ago

  "The bill would bar welfare cash withdrawals at liquor stores and strip clubs, and would penalize recipients caught blowing support checks on sin and vice with the loss of benefits for a month or more.
  
  The feds have ordered states to crack down on welfare waste, fraud and abuse by February or lose 5% of their federal public assistance funding."
  
  We'll see how well it works.
• SlickSpic

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  11 years ago

  Repeal Welfare and make all welfare recipients pick fruits, vegetables, milk cows, kill chickens, work in the textile industry, and any other job that immigrants are willing to risk life and limb for by coming over here illegally.
• Dougster

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  11 years ago

  Poor NukeyBoy will just have to get his welfare check cashed somewhere else before he visits the strip clubs to run his wicked ass game on the "9s and 10s" working there.
• crazyjoe

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  11 years ago

  I agree with slick...if you don't work you don't deserve to eat
• crazyjoe

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  11 years ago

  Crazy joe going into the check cashing business too
• dallas702

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  11 years ago

  A better idea would be to just quit handing out welfare checks.
• Estafador

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  11 years ago

  that's a terrible idea dallas. You can't punish the good because a few bad exist. Anyway, I didn't know welfare still came in the form of checks. I thought it was all on card now.
• dallas702

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  11 years ago

  @ Esta, who said anything about punishing the good? Welfare (the "Great Society") is a failed experiment in government control over charity. Since you live (or at least exclusively review clubs) in the NYC area, I'm guessing you are a liberal democrat, but please avoid the knee jerk reaction to the following:
  
  Federal aid, in all it's forms has not reduced poverty at all. Everywhere people who collect aid are forced to congregate (usually by some form of aid like section 8) crime goes up, businesses leave and poverty skyrockets. The only thing that federal aid has grown has been the federal government! What is good about that?
• SlickSpic

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  11 years ago

  One of the problems we have and are facing as a nation, is "Welfare Culture". So many people for far too many years and succeeding generations have been on welfare. This environment of entitlement and laziness has bred people who have no desire, no drive, no want, and no care to improve, succeed, and excel in life. It's like Jaime Escalante told his students in algebra-You have to have Ganas. You have to want it. That's the problem. Too many people don't want it. A handout is fine on the taxpayers dime.
• Alucard

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  11 years ago

  And you are a FAR, FAR Right Republican perhaps dallas702?
• Estafador

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  11 years ago

  Dallas I got to say I cannot agree with you. Maybe in the past this was a problem, but within these past few years, federal aid (in most forms) has become more strict in their handout fees. There's no longer the "if you have a baby, you get welfare". Now you have to have a whole list of standards behind that. Your wages have to be below a certain amount. So for example, you work minimum wage, but full time, have 0-1 kid AND lets say, you're staying with momma, you're not eligable for aid. Too many stipulants apply with aid. You want that wic check, only lasts until that squirt is 5, not to mention how many forms and duplicates of particular info you need to apply. You want student aid...well that's no longer abused and has gotten far better at controlling how much and who can get it. And From the amount of section 8 I've been nearby since I've been 16, crime rate has fallen far below to what it used to have been. I hear about more crime in non-section 8 housing (that's not to say those area aren't poverty induced) and now section 8 is a hard sell since they've been refurbishing so many neighborhoods in NY.
  
  And when I say punish the good, I mean like the young kids or adults who are on it due to uncontrollable circumstances and need to use it until they get that better, at minimum 40K salary
• SlickSpic

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  11 years ago

  Jaime Escalante, what an amazing teacher. My older cousin went to Garfield High and studied calculus under Escalante. If we had more teachers and leaders like him, our youth would have a much brighter future.
• samsung1

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  11 years ago

  For the welfare that comes on the cards, states were also having problems with people going to casinos and strip clubs to withdraw the cash from their welfare card.
• deogol

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  11 years ago

  Now they are looking to ban "sugary drinks" from it...
  
  http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2…
  
  When your on the government's dime, ya gonna lose...
• dallas702

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  11 years ago

  @Esta, to claim a problem is "fixed" because it is not abused as much as it was, is not the same as correcting the actual problem. First, the Federal government cannot provide social benefits under the constitution (that's why all Medicare, Medicaid and welfare programs are state run, and why Social Security is a "tax" instead of a pension plan.). So to even put the U.S. government in the social welfare business is playing over the edge and has forced the creation of two separate agencies (state and fed) to spend every dollar taken from taxpayers.
  
  Second, big government is automatically inefficient! Big government programs (every single one of them throughout human history) are rife with fraud and waste. Cicero complained of the corruption in the "bread and circuses" programs of the Roman Empire and what they were doing was very similar to the U.S, programs today. (they never entirely fixed the problems either) The government takes money from workers, spends about 30% on administration, and gives the rest to people who are not working. We scream at private charities with that kind of overhead.
  
  Third, this has nothing to with charity or benefiting our fellow man. It is all about power and control. Before the "Great Society" poverty levels in this country were about half what they are today. So after FIFTY years of government mandated "anti-poverty" programs, poverty has doubled. (Kind of like the results of the 40 year old "war on drugs".)
  
  Time to admit the experiment didn't work. If the horse is dead, a new stable and vitamins will not "fix" the problem.
  
  On the other hand, while spending welfare money on strippers and booze does piss me off, I cannot regulate the behavior of others.
• georgmicrodong

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  11 years ago

  @Estafador: Please explain how declining to give person A the fruits of person B's labour equals "punishment". Please explain how withholding that which is not earned equals the "punishment" of the non earner.
  
  If those are punishment then so are these:
  
  - A restaurant owner "punishes" me by declining to give me a sandwich for free.
  
  - The stripper in my lap "punishes" me by not giving me a blowjob for free.
  
  - The lottery commission "punishes" me by not giving me that jackpot because I don't have the winning ticket.
  
  No fucking wonder this country is hosed.
  
  
• deogol

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  11 years ago

  Yep - we are hosed.
• Player11

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  11 years ago

  A Seattle SC turned away Dougster and his foodstamps.
• Dougster

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  11 years ago

  gmd: "No fucking wonder this country is hosed. "
  deogol: "Yep - we are hosed."
  
  I have to disagree. There are challenges ahead, but the millennials and Xers are going to rise to meet them.
• georgmicrodong

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  11 years ago

  Maybe the millenials, but I have my doubts about the GenXers. I am nominally of that generation, depending on which beginning date you use, and I see far too many of my peers who feed that "punishment" entitlement crap with their guilt concerning their own success.
  
  Millenials may have a healthier attitude at some point, but mostly I don't see it yet.
• SlickSpic

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  11 years ago

  As someone who might also be part of Gen X aka The Forgotten Generation, The Individuals(a psych professor labeled us those), I don't feel any sort of entitlement. Neither do the peers that I associate with. Interesting note on Gen X-Both the Greatest Gen and the Millenials have roughly the same population while Gen X is I think a million short(I could be wrong on the numbers). We're the first generation that wasn't able to live better than the preceding generation-many factors go into this.
  I have hope in our youth and hope in my peers. What else can I have?