The New PL+ Strategy???
I was at a club in San Antonio last night courting a lovely young lady and in between teasing her nipples into stiff little nubs of steel and trying to keep from busting a nut in her molten hot mouth we were haggling about money, specifically about dance prices. Â We were in the Champagne room at the time which was actually not a room at all but rather just a partitioned off area with some couches in it.
Anyway at the end of the night I made good on my LD fees and bar tab and as I was waiting for my lovely little lady to come out and say goodnight I noticed a PL who was right on the edge of the Champagne room telling his nubile young dance partner that she was wrong. Â It went something like this:
Dancer: "Uhh it's closing time and you owe me $200 for 10 dances."
PL: "Unt-uh, I didn't get no 10 dances"
Note: they were there at least 20 ~ 30 minutes locked in an extended lap dance session up until now.
D: "Bullshit I did 10 dances and you owe me $200 bucks or I'm going to call my manager."
PL: "Call your fucking manager, I'll tell him what a lying bitch you are."
D: "You are a fucking dick. Â I gave you 10 dances!"
Manager (sensing that there is a problem a foot): "Hey what seems to be the problem here?"
D: "This asshole won't pay me for the dances I did for him."
M: "Is that true? Â Are you refusing to pay for the dances she did?"
PL: "She didn't do no 10 dances."
D: "Yes I did and you fucking know it."
PL: "You're lying. Â You didn't do no 10 dances."
M: "Are you saying that she didn't do any dances for you?"
PL: "She didn't do no 10 dances."
M: "How many did she do?"
PL: "She didn't do no 10 dances."
The dialog continued like that for another 10 minutes when I was shooed out the front door along with everybody else except the PL. Â Another 10 minutes go by then the front door opens up and the PL comes stumbling out being pushed by one of the bouncers and the security guard.
Bouncer: "And don't come back fuckwad unless you want me to fuck up that pretty face of yours!"
Now here's the real interesting part. As he walks past me 2 other guys that were waiting in the taxi line walk up to him and say...
PL Friend1: "Fuck John we thought that they were going to call the cops on you."
PL: "Fuck no it's the cunt's word against mine so they can't do shit."
PL F2: "One of these days your going to get fucked up John."
PL: "Quit being a pussy. Â They can't touch me or I'll sue their asses."
So it would appear that PL got away with something in the club and furthermore it sounded to me like it was premeditated and that he has done it at other clubs as well. Â I wasn't privy to what happened in the club after I got kicked out and he may well have been forced to pay something, I don't know, however it does bring up an interesting point. Â Say that you went to a club and had enough cash on you to pay for the cover and a couple drinks but didn't bring any credit or debit cards in with you. Â Then you got some dances from one of the girls and refused to acknowledge that she danced for you, calling her a lier. Â Is it possible that you could get away with that? Â I mean if you have absolutely no way to pay how could they force you? Granted the obvious caveat that you could only pull the stunt at a specific club once but is it really doable?
What do you think?
Anyway at the end of the night I made good on my LD fees and bar tab and as I was waiting for my lovely little lady to come out and say goodnight I noticed a PL who was right on the edge of the Champagne room telling his nubile young dance partner that she was wrong. Â It went something like this:
Dancer: "Uhh it's closing time and you owe me $200 for 10 dances."
PL: "Unt-uh, I didn't get no 10 dances"
Note: they were there at least 20 ~ 30 minutes locked in an extended lap dance session up until now.
D: "Bullshit I did 10 dances and you owe me $200 bucks or I'm going to call my manager."
PL: "Call your fucking manager, I'll tell him what a lying bitch you are."
D: "You are a fucking dick. Â I gave you 10 dances!"
Manager (sensing that there is a problem a foot): "Hey what seems to be the problem here?"
D: "This asshole won't pay me for the dances I did for him."
M: "Is that true? Â Are you refusing to pay for the dances she did?"
PL: "She didn't do no 10 dances."
D: "Yes I did and you fucking know it."
PL: "You're lying. Â You didn't do no 10 dances."
M: "Are you saying that she didn't do any dances for you?"
PL: "She didn't do no 10 dances."
M: "How many did she do?"
PL: "She didn't do no 10 dances."
The dialog continued like that for another 10 minutes when I was shooed out the front door along with everybody else except the PL. Â Another 10 minutes go by then the front door opens up and the PL comes stumbling out being pushed by one of the bouncers and the security guard.
Bouncer: "And don't come back fuckwad unless you want me to fuck up that pretty face of yours!"
Now here's the real interesting part. As he walks past me 2 other guys that were waiting in the taxi line walk up to him and say...
PL Friend1: "Fuck John we thought that they were going to call the cops on you."
PL: "Fuck no it's the cunt's word against mine so they can't do shit."
PL F2: "One of these days your going to get fucked up John."
PL: "Quit being a pussy. Â They can't touch me or I'll sue their asses."
So it would appear that PL got away with something in the club and furthermore it sounded to me like it was premeditated and that he has done it at other clubs as well. Â I wasn't privy to what happened in the club after I got kicked out and he may well have been forced to pay something, I don't know, however it does bring up an interesting point. Â Say that you went to a club and had enough cash on you to pay for the cover and a couple drinks but didn't bring any credit or debit cards in with you. Â Then you got some dances from one of the girls and refused to acknowledge that she danced for you, calling her a lier. Â Is it possible that you could get away with that? Â I mean if you have absolutely no way to pay how could they force you? Granted the obvious caveat that you could only pull the stunt at a specific club once but is it really doable?
What do you think?
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Yee Haw Motherfucker I'm in Texas goddamnit!!!
If you walk out of WalMart with a pair of shorts stuffed in your shirt, security can hold you, call the cops and have you arrested for stealing stuff. Then they either check your receipt or lack of receipt and if you can't prove you paid they take the shorts back, pull down your pants in public and spank your bare bottom. Well, maybe not the part about the spanking, but I think the other stuff is right. And I suppose they could take you to court, but the costs would be far too great for something small like that, so they just let you go I suppose.
Now if you skip a restaurant or strip club without paying, there really isn't any evidence that they can use to prove anything, except maybe a video camera or testimony of others who saw you, if anyone actually DID see you getting lapdances in the VIP.
I suppose they still COULD call the cops and have you arrested for theft and later bring you to court, but that seems like a whole lot of work for not much benefit. And they probably have no evidence at all worth considering. Even with a video showing you getting laps you could argue she said they were free, there was no implied or explicit contract for money in exchange for anything, blah blah blah.
So I'm guessing that their only real way to combat stuff like this is to have tough looking bouncers who try to scare you and talk real big, when in fact if they lay a hand on you you could have them arrested for laying a hand on you. And so they try to resolve it with having the manager reason with you. If none of those work, I can't see another alternative.
But I'm no lawyer, so I could be totally wrong.
And also I saw something that says "Theft of this sort should not be confused with reasonable rejection, where, for example, a customer does not pay because the services provided were not as advertised or because the services did not meet reasonable standards of quality"
Now THAT could be reasonable grounds for not paying for MANY lap dances I've had over the years... :)
http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/31.04.…
Have fun.
http://www.pevetolaw.com/texas-class-b-m…
I dunno, seems to me that this PL, while being a world class douchebag, was a pretty smart douchebag. Hopefully I'm missing something, cuz this sucks.
You could also piss off a bouncer to the point where you're made a paraplegic as in the case of the Crazy Horse Too in Las Vegas.
The same approach would go for SCs in that once they established the reputation for coming down hard on guys like the PL they could relax a little bit because and the cycle begins again.
Interesting...sounds like you've worked at a strip club?
I'm guessing that, depending on the amount, it's probably a misdemeanor with a small fine and maybe a small possibility of some jail time.
And yeah, I assume threatening to call the cops is probably the standard response to something like this, but I'm curious if anyone actually does call the cops...and if they do, does anyone actually follow thru with prosecution? Anyone can call the cops, just like anyone can sue you on a whim, but making a winnable case is the tough part.
Now shes going to be even less trusting, and try to rip everybody off even more. For every ROB there is a no paying/no tipping asshole.
Wow, not sure I'd go that far...seems a bit of a stretch, don't you think? Some people, including some strippers, have no problem being dishonest all by themselves. Although I realize it's more fun to blame someone else for our faults......
Jackslash, I second Rudys bbq.
She should never have let it go past one the first time and then demand payment after every two there after. It is a business ya know.
This lucky sombitch that's who!
Do you think that Founder will let me submit a review if I make it all sexy an shit?
And I am also a 20+ year strip clubber. I can't help it - I love strippers. As often as possible.
If you make it dripping in BBQ sauce maybe Juice will approve it.
I've heard that at some COI clubs, if the dancer is well-trusted (that is, if the manager believes the dancer and not the PL), the bouncers won't let the PL leave until he coughs up the money. If he doesn't have it, they'll make him call someone to bring him the money. Regardless what time of day it is.
At least, that's what I've heard. Never seen it or had it happen to me though.
Customers who don't pay what they owe are thieves. However I understand some dancers may count the last part of a song as a whole song and a minute or two intermission with the DJ talking the whole time as another song but the customer usually will not consider those to be songs worth paying for or valid songs. Kind of like having to pay for 15 minutes of commercials when the show has yet to start but you need to leave. She should just stop dancing during a DJ intermission and say it doesn't count and not start until a full song starts. Then both dancer and customer could be happy and maybe they could keep up with the count. Some of my favorites just keep on dancing and tell me up front something like that doesn't count in the song count. We stay on the same page and she asks if I want more keeping up with the total.
I guess some do not do this. A real PL would attempt to get dances without paying.
Anyway, someone shorted a girl I used to work with and she got ahold of his address from his plates and had some dudes show up at his house and recoup her losses.
Oh really?
Hold on, let me get my notebook....let's see....clubs not to visit...
Okay honey, now where do you dance?
It is not ITC activities or anything like that. You know what you are getting into....a Lapdance. If you tell a dancer you want a lap dance....she will give you one. Now going into VIP or something like that is a little different....because promises could have been made and not kept. But for a LD.... why not pay up front? Why do you think places have the machines now....because of assholes like the one mentioned in the story.
Onething I forgot to mention.... is if they call the cops and this guy has been drinking.....or if he gets messed up a little bit but was drinking.... He better have witnesses...otherwise it is the bouncers word vs a drunk person who skipped out on a bill. Typically Bouncer wins. I know when I used to bounce at a bar the owner and his lawyers said never to throw a punch unless they did it first. Or never break up a fight with a fist... But going in hard with a shoulder, elbow (not swinging elbow mma style), or forearm shiver is ok. You would be surprised at what those can do.....OR how when escorting some drunks out of the bar they would help open the door for me with their face....ie there hands are behind them. ;-) I am just saying that this guy will get roughed up and won't have any fall back on the "I will sue them".
Well, when you pay upfront for a lap dance, the RISK in the transaction shifts from the dancer to you.
If I pay before I receive the laps, then the risk to me is maximized. Why? Because if the dancer receives the money up front, she's "whole" no matter how she performs. And she can perform less than expected and still be able to walk away with her money.
If I pay only after receiving the expected services, I can withhold payment if the services were not rendered, or not rendered as expect. Then if any argument ensues, I don't have to worry about getting my money back.
It's all about who assumes the risk in the transaction. Dancers think customers should assume the risk, customers think dancers should assume the risk. There is no "right" answer to the question, it's just a matter of trust and risk.
Personally, I've encountered far too many dancers who aren't worthy of my trust, and if I pay them up front they might have less incentive to perform and might just go thru the motions. Doesn't mean they are all like that, it's just not, IMO, a smart business model to treat your customers like you don't trust them in such a blatant manner. Just common business sense, IMO.
Like when they scan your ID. Or when the DJ complains if customers aren't performing as he'd like (ie, tipping, clapping, etc.). Or when they won't let you bring in a cellphone. Or when the drink girl bugs you every 10 seconds to buy a drink. Or when a dancer bitches if you aren't tipping her enough. All of these things make customers feel like the club is more of a pain than it's worth.
Smart clubs and managers and strippers know how to treat customers so that they WANT to come to the club and have fun and tip dancers and make it a fun environment. Dumb managers and strippers operate on disrespect and mistrust.
It's all how you look at it.