What percentage of the strippers that are 9's and 10's do extras and/or OTC?

This stinks of a setup - lol.

I would say about 80%. Far more likely than girls below 8. AFAIK, I am the only one who thinks 9s and 10s are much more likely than other girls (who would put at 50-60%), but that's okay. It's been my experience, and definitely a nice to see some things in the world you don't need to accept a trade off because you get win-win.

I wonder if RickyBoy feels intimidated by 9s and 10s, and his success rate is so low because it takes him 8 months to work up the courage to ask. So low that he is scared to post the number and see that it is lower than others. As happened to him on the past when comparing OTC success rates?

Could it be the system is actually a hindrance and dramatically lowers your chances versus a simple "just ask"? Maybe because it makes you too pussy, like the RickyBoy, to just ask until having been string along for 8 months first?

Dude, there just whores so all you got to do is "just ask". Don't overthibk what is so simple and screw one of the easiest things in the world up!

100% of the ones I've asked. That's all that counts.

Of course, I don't bother to ask if I don't think they will, so I might not be the best statistical universe.

80%! That's crazy. Doug, why do you think the 9's and 10's are more likely to do it than than the 8's and below? I would put the number with 8's and below at about 60%.

Yeah, it's something I noticed pretty early on, didn't know or care why until just about a year ago, unfortunately not an answer I'm giving away either. Not that it matters though, because as lon as you know that it is that way, "why" is more if an academic question.

The percentage of all strippers, regardless of looks, that do real extras/OTC on any kind of regular basis is already a lot lower than some people think. You have to realize that in most areas of the country extras and OTC are extremely uncommon. So if you're looking at a percentage of 40% (personally I think that's still a tad high) for all of them, then whether or not you think 9's and 10's are more or less likely, I think a little less, then you're talking about 30-50%.

Personally I would guess it's under 30% overall.

Who knows? Never seen a scientific poll on this. Just saw the hottest stripper ever drive up in a Bentley. Says it's her mans, but then whats she doing in a strip club? I'm guessing thats one 10 that does extras.

10% are 9's and rounding, 5% are 10's. Not rounding, it's 1%.

I've never been able to establish any correlation whatsoever between hotness and likelihood to offer extras. Around here, by that definition of extra, the rate is probably around 80%. If you throw out HJ/FIV I'd guess it drops to 50%. This is of course assuming we're talking about reasonable prices. If the money is right, its prolly 99+%

I think there are several reasons 9s and 10s are more likely to do OTC than others. I think a big part of the process from changing girl who thinks she is normal into OTC whore is getting her to do it for the first time. I think the pressure is higher on the 9s and 10s and more money is offered. Then when they cross the line for the first time and see god doesn't strike them down with lightning subsequent times happen more easily. In chemistry the analogue is a called an "energy barrier". In the club with the 9s and 10s others are helping you breakdown that energy barrier.

Ok, that was one of the trial explanations I came up with back when I was wondering why. I still think it is an important contributing reason but not the primary one.

Jester- I definitely agree that the percentages are a lot lower than most people think.

GMD- So every 9 and 10 that you've asked to do OTC and/or extras ITC has agreed to it? Even though you don't ask the girls who you don't think will do it, that's still pretty impressive.

Dougster- I'll agree that there is pressure on them because a lot of money is being thrown their way. At a certain amount it might get almost impossible to say no to it.

I doubt there is any correlation.... and even if there is, it varies wildly depending on what area you are referring to.

I agree with Dolfan that 99% say yes at the right price. For standard price in your area my guess is low percentage typically w addiction or bills that can't wait. Stable career stripper 9's 10's bank off fantasy and hustle.

Unless your in Detroit.

I remember my #3 ATF telling me that she felt there were certain guys in SCs who would offer "just about any amount" of money to have sex with her. She seemed to think that many Asians in particular feel into that camp.

This question only makes sense if you add the dimension of price. It looks something like this (I don't have any real data--I'm only making an illustration):

Price % who do extras

$100 10% $200 20% $300 30% $400 40% $500

Continued

Price % who do extras $500 50% $600 60% $700 70% $800 80% $900 90% $1000 100%

OK, I admit that there are probably some super-good strippers who would not do extras for even $1000. But I've never met them.

the majority of 9's & 10's that I've encountered have a huge sense of entitlement and feel that they should be given everything on a silver platter and should not have to work for anything. So I'd say definitely less than 5% do OTC at any price.

I'll get a 9 or 10 occasionally OTC, but the bulk have been 6 - 8's. Just the way it is.

As Dolfan said, there is no correlation between good looking girls and whether they have sex other than beautiful women get asked more often.

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Jackslash, excellent comments. Their self-image is the most important thing. If a girl THINKS that she's a 6-7 but is a 9-10 to us, she's likely to say Yes. On the other hand, . . . .

sick liver: "the majority of 9's & 10's that I've encountered have a huge sense of entitlement and feel that they should be given everything on a silver platter"

Wow! What a bleak outlook. You even got the jestie-girl topped on this particular point.

Call it bleak but often it is true. The fact that the 9's and 10's are pursued relentlessly in the club just reinforces their sense of entitlement. Personally I'm more than happy with the 6's, 7's & 8's for my ITC & OTC fun.

I have no problem telling a 9-10 she isn't worth shit (using those exact words). No more than the one is working harder than her to please at least one person. Actually, that drops the 10 down to a 1 in personality, where it counts mosts.

Hey Doug, your perception of 9's and 10's sounds like the civi girls i used to know. The prettiest girls were down for everything. But I'm curious. Do the 9's and 10's you know charge the same as cheap whores, or do they want tons more like a high class whore? You know, a high sense of self worth?

mike: They charge a bit more initially, but nothing major. Maybe like an extra $50-$100/hr. I just pay it to show I value their services. Won't want to insult them after all by offering too little.

It's no problem, anyway, since once you're a regular it's just standard rates for the area.

Another waste of what could have been an interesting thread, even if it was a setup from the start. ;)

I found that to be true with an escort, she wanted me as a regular. But some of the strippers I talked to could care less about standard rates, so its no thanks for me.

Not sure how useful this is since I doubt we all agree who is or isn't a 9/10.

RickyBoy: "Another waste of what could have been an interesting thread, even if it was a setup from the start. ;)"

Yep, big setup just to get you RickyBoy. Are you seriously that out if touch? Really?

@ranukam: Yeah, but like I said, the sample of 9s and 10s I've asked OTC is probably not a good statistical universe. Probably less than two or three dozen over the years.

Given my family history, I've have a moderately developed bullshit meter. It's not perfect, but having family members who vastly prefer the con, whether long, short or medium, to honest work, it's served me well over the years.

"Yep, big setup just to get you RickyBoy. Are you seriously that out if touch? Really?"

LOL Fraudster. I suspect more generally a setup designed to tee that particular screen name up to post yet more nonsense on this particular topic. I would assume that goading me into biting, followed no doubt by yet more hyperbolic nonsense from you, would just be one more entertainment component for you. ;)

It looks like there's opinions all over the place, one person says 100% do it at the right price, one person says less than 5% do it at any price.

Rick-No setup here, I just wanted to know what my fellow TUSCLers thought. I'm interested in what you think because I know you do a lot of traveling, but if you don't have anything to add kindly move your flame wars to another discussion thread, thanks.

But in the interest of playing along, my general thoughts on this topic are as follows:

There are so many variables involved that trying to guess at a particular % is ludicrous. What is a 9 or 10? Also, when we say, "do OTC/extras", do we mean routinely or on one or more select occasions? And are we talking about girls who would do them at what we might consider normal market rates, or simply those who would normally avoid them but might be enticed at a high enough number?

I define a 9 as a girl with a beautiful face, a stupidly sexy flawless body, and the ability to be engaging. Many clubs may have no more than one 9 on the roster and plenty that I have visited had none. In fact, I have had road trips to a few areas where I have visited multiple clubs and did not come across a 9 during the entire trip.

In my book, a 10 has everything that a 9 has, along with ample elegance, poise and seductive skills. A true 10 can almost take your breath away just by interacting with you. Outside of a few clubs in Manhattan and some higher end clubs scattered in different areas of the country, sightings of 10s are rare in my experience. They tend to know their value and work in places with high earning potential - many of them even rotating among a handful of big money clubs.

The few true 10s that I have had the chance to experience were not giving it up for a few hundred bucks in a back room or in after hours OTC. Money was already chasing them ITC. Now that is not to say that they would never have sex with a customer, but the guys who were rumored to be scoring with them could almost have been called clients rather than customers and were also rumored to be spending large sums on these girls in the form of cash and gifts. Having sex with a bonified 10 is more the province of a heavy hitter like farmer, assuming he was ever interested in that sort of pursuit, than that of us mere mortals.

I have had the pleasure of periods of OTC with a couple of true 9s in the past couple of years, but they were much harder to corral and required some extraordinary efforts to initially break the seal. In fact, if the economy had not been in such a prolonged slump and the club in question so dead, then I doubt that it would have happened at all as they were previously accustomed to money chasing them. And even when it was on the table, it was more hit and miss than with 7s and 8s as there were still nights where they were making so much ITC that a few more hundred for a hotel visit lost its enticement.

Net-net, I think that 10s do so sparingly and for large $$$ and that 9s are also less prone to "do OTC/extras", but can be found under the right circumstances. But like lopaw, the bulk of my OTC is found with 7s and 8s as it is easier to source and more reliable.

I was going to sit this one out because I don't think anyone really knows the answere but after reading rickdugans comment, I pretty much have to agree with what he said.

Ricky just let's his "system" and his pussiness trip him up. If he would just drop it and "just ask" he would see it that it ain't that hard. Poor RickyBoy!

Rick, you seem to be a dipshit in every way. Takes you 8 months to score with 9s and 10s when the rest of us can do it one to three nights max. Yet you insist your system is some work of genius.

Then when people ask a perfectly reasonable question you fall into your paranoid world that it is all some "setup" to get.

Think it's time you sought treatment for you dipshittery, no?

Aw come on Dougie, don't be bitter. Let Uncle Ricky pat you on the head, educate you and then show you how it's done. ;)

Actually I'll just wait until the next rook with post and review count 1 posts, because even that guy will understand "how it's done" better than you!

Very small, especially considering the number of tens in a club is small.

Here is what my experience with dancers. First there are those who just going above a clubs limits, i.e. skirt the limits, ie. who will show pussy in a topless only club. This doesn't come close to your criteria of FS, BJ, HJ, DATY, FIV.

Next are those who are will work to get you off, allow lots of two way contact and if the club allows will go for a BJ and HJ, but nothing else. The rest are what you consider extras.

Each category is based off clubs I have visited that allowed such, except for FS, DATY which I have not found more than 3 over the years so I ignore those, since for the most part every one there allowed it and there were no nines or tens anyway.

% skirt % some % ranukum

Rating %in clubs limits extras extras 10 3% 40% < 5% < 1% 9 15% 50% 15% < 5% 8 35% 70% 30% < 5% 6-7 50% 70% 35% < 5%

The rest I can't rate because I won't try anyone under a 6. What this means is that out of 1000 dancers you might find 30 tens. Of those 30, 12 will skirt the limits a bit, one or two will give some extras and your odds of those two doing full extras is slim to none.

The national percentage doesn't matter IMO. When I get to see a 9 to 10 rated dancer, then it will be 100% for me. That's all that counts in my math!

That's good when you can find a ten. I can count on one hand the number of tens I saw in a club over the last ten years, and over the last twenty two hands is enough.

Thanks everyone for your input and having fun with this thread!

Ooops! Sorry ranukam! Posted my TY on the wrong thread. LOL!