Anybody cuttind down on S/C activities like me to afford Tax hikes, Obama care?
January 1st tax increases (Bush tax cuts expire). Company is forced to pay for Obama care in 2 years. The Mayans just may be right, end of the world could start soon. Little hope for us working stiffs with the new Obama Socialist world looming over us.
Someone has to pay for all of these idealistic ideas. Seem to be fewer of us working all the time. Getting to be less and less incentive to work when so many others stand with their hands out for what you have sacrificed for.
Why isn't it considered racist when 96% of all blacks vote for Obama? It's just as racist to vote for someone because of his skin color as it is to not vote for them because of the same.
Had a guy on the street ask me for money last week. Told him to get it from Obama.
Have had strippers text me to come see them. Aasked them who they voted for. Also said I have to cut out un necessary spending to pay my taxes.
Don't get why people think that they will be better off if none of us have any money. Since they have no ambition and can't take care of themselves the want us all to be broke. Can't understand why anyone wants this country to be socialist.
Not gonna say I was in love with the idea of Romney in the white house, but I sure would rather have someone in there that realizes how hard it is to make money. Redistribute the wealth and new nomal crap scares me. Obama has no idea about anything he does and yet People flock like sheep to this guy.
Guess my point is. What happens when us old guys that were once regulars and spent money freely in the clubs are taxed to hell and have nothing left? We're sure not going to continue to work hard and pay for everything. And we sure aren't gonna spend what little is left over in a strip club.
Am I the only one that sees this?
Someone has to pay for all of these idealistic ideas. Seem to be fewer of us working all the time. Getting to be less and less incentive to work when so many others stand with their hands out for what you have sacrificed for.
Why isn't it considered racist when 96% of all blacks vote for Obama? It's just as racist to vote for someone because of his skin color as it is to not vote for them because of the same.
Had a guy on the street ask me for money last week. Told him to get it from Obama.
Have had strippers text me to come see them. Aasked them who they voted for. Also said I have to cut out un necessary spending to pay my taxes.
Don't get why people think that they will be better off if none of us have any money. Since they have no ambition and can't take care of themselves the want us all to be broke. Can't understand why anyone wants this country to be socialist.
Not gonna say I was in love with the idea of Romney in the white house, but I sure would rather have someone in there that realizes how hard it is to make money. Redistribute the wealth and new nomal crap scares me. Obama has no idea about anything he does and yet People flock like sheep to this guy.
Guess my point is. What happens when us old guys that were once regulars and spent money freely in the clubs are taxed to hell and have nothing left? We're sure not going to continue to work hard and pay for everything. And we sure aren't gonna spend what little is left over in a strip club.
Am I the only one that sees this?
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Why must some of you get personal with every response? Can't we all just get along?
OP sounds like a typical sour grapes woe is me I'm always a victim piece of shit. You ask strippers who they voted for, presumably so you can reward the ones that voted the way you want, and punish those that didn't? You give a snarky response to somebody in need, rather than just say no.
Bubbaloo you sound like a piece of shit douchebag. The reason you are going to be spending less is simple; you're a loser.
Somehow you seem to think I am rich. That is not true at all. I gre up very poor. Much poorer that any people I have ever met on government assistance. And no, my family did not ever accept help from the government.
I served in the militart, with honor. Always worked more than 1 job. Then sacrificed and scrimped to start my own business.
Worked hard, paid my taxes. Always did what most think is right. Now we want to redistribute the wealth now thast I'm slightly comfortable for the first time in my life?
Nobody owes you anything Asshole.
If you want or need something, get off your ass and earn it. Don't give me aguilt trip that you can't afford it. Get some training. Apply youraself at your job so that you can earn more. Work two jobs if you have to. No body said it would be easy. Grow up and stop having everyone else pay your way.
If you want to be a socialist, leave my country alone. I've traveled most of the world and let me tell you, socialism is not the answer.
Go to Europe. Pay $10 a gallon for gas and 3 times a much as you should for everything for a while. Then see how well their systems work.
Our insurance, medicalsyatems, and others can be bad and expensive untill you see how they work when the government runs them.
What have you and your type ever done for this country but complain and take?
It is obvious that you did not read the Obamacare docs, or if you did read them you just don't understand the implications.
They cap FSA accounts at a lower rate and reduce mdedical deductions for those itemizing. Both of those result in a tax increase to the individual.
Did you even read the post?
Go ahead and make fun of my typos all you want. My hands are pretty beat up from WORKING ALL MY LIFE.
Have a good time trying to rile me up because I know who the loser is.
It ain't me my friend.
Don't pay much heed to the crazies here. Don't even pay me any attention. DO what you believe is right for you.
The solution is jobs and buisinesses are doing everything they can to not hire so they don't need to deal with Obamacare. Why do you think there was a mini revolt in 2010 with the House elections. THe majority of this country are against Obamacare but weren't willing to deal with Romney for four years to deal with it. They voted for the best, worst case scenario. Ask the middle class, what rewards are you talking about? People working two or three part-time jobs because businesses avoid the benefits. And the wall-streeters that were getting huge bonuses were spending thousands in the clubs and the girls were going out shopping all over NYC, that's true trickle down, douche!
We have had two presidents, back to back that have destroyed this country and it will really take awhile for us to climb out, from a $5+ trillion deficit to $16 trillion and climbing..
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VH - You are so off base and completely clueless that a response to your ignorant comments are not even worth it. Do you work for a living or collect a welfare check from the Anointed One???
I have noticed that it is when the Republicans and Libertarians dislike an adminstration they are polite and respectful of the views of others. The liberals who worship at the alter of Obama hate anyone who voices a disagreement and either shout them down or use intimidation to silence them. Obama is first and foremost a Chicago politician. We all know what that means=cronism and back room favors.
I have a news flash for you there is a 3% tax increase that hits EVERYONE January 1 2013 that was delayed from 2010 until after the election. The fix for Alternative Minumum Tax (started under LBJ) has expired and will hit everyone above $49K (single).
This is the last time I will try to educate someone like you.
In the 30's Hitler (remember Nazi stands for National Socialist Party) nationalized the economy so only his cronies were allowed to own their businesses, blamed business for the economy, and spouted hate that guy! But Hitler was hailed by academia and the press as the savior of Germany and therefore the world. In the 60's Castro did the same thing and was again hailed by academia and the press as savior(if you do not know what Castro is/was ask a Cuban exile, I have). Now we have a "savior" nationalizing industry (auto bailout),cronism (Solindra and auto unions), nationalizing healthcare (the largest single industry in the USA), blaming business for all our troubles and spouting hate that guy and shut him up because he does not like my policies. He also has the blessing of academia and the press. Are we seeing a pattern emerge??
Where is the answer to our problems. I am not sure but it certainly does not lie down the road to totalitarianism.
Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton prophesized the when the lazy figured out that they could vote themselves a handout there would be greedy politicians willing to do it under the guise of "public good".
Nuff said.
Seriously, I just can't be that upset yet by the fiscal cliff. It is no longer politically expedient for either side to play chicken, so I predict that we'll see a compromise toute de suite. At least a short term one. Very likely that none of your taxes are going to go up unless you make enough that you wouldn't really notice. Definitely not yours Bubbaloo -- didnt you say your boss stopped paying you in dollars and is now giving you the much more valuable magic beans? Doncha know da Feds don't tax ya if your salary is completely in the form of magic beans?
For medical care, those of you who hate Obamacare do realize that we subsidize medical care now, just indirectly and inefficiently. People who cannot afford medical care just go to emergency, where they may end up saddled with debt and if they cannot pay that money ultimately comes from somewhere. Where could that be? Hmmm... Maybe the costs are passed on to those of us who do pay for their health care. Ya think?
Doesn't directly matter to me -- I've had excellent coverage my whole life. But the reality is that medical care is a bad marketplace. Most people cannot make informed decisions. Putting care off can increase later costs. The reality is that we've needed national health for some time and Obamacare may not be the best, but it is a move in the right direction. Don't believe me? Our health costs are disproportionately high relative to other industrialized nations. And our outcomes are mediocre. Something had to change, an dats a fact, Jack!
So, as one of the 52% (better income and job stability than the 47% but not in the 1%) I say to all the whining repubs QUIT YER BELLYACHING. Obama may not be the best POTUS and if you voted for Romney 'cos you thought he was marginally better, I understand that. If you voted the big O 'cos he was the lesser of two evils in your opinion, I understand that (and agree withe the evaluation)
But if you think Obama is great, I don't see evidence of that. And if you think he is a Nazi, commie, atheist, Muslim, puppy-kicker from Kenya you should go see the doctor. But only if you've got insurance, 'cos I don't wanna pay to fix your self-inflicted stupidity.
And NO -- I ain't gonna reduce my strip club outlay. I'm increasing it to 90% of my take home to be like my man JUICE!!! Fuck yeah!
Alternatively, take the cocktail of meth, coke, acid, DXM, and PCP-laced weed and really go for it. If you take those drugs I bet you can make the case that Obama came from thirdspace to bring peace to a troubled galaxy by destroying Za'ha'dum.
Your choice man. Make it wisely.
Guys like Romeny and Buffett labor their asses off to make money, but get to pay capital gain rates instead of earned income rates and not pay social security. Why can't I get that deal? Every extra dollar I earn is taxed 6.2% SS + 28% EI. Every extra dollar of carried interest for Romeny is taxed 15% CG and he doesn't create a single job through his 'investment.' The system is bullshit.
As for the OP, I've already drastically cut back, but not due to finances. Even if I were still clubbing at my 'normal' rate, taxes would decrease my disposable income but would not 'significantly' affect clubbing.
As long as I don't have to pay for anything, free shit sounds great.
Sounds like a great economic system, from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
I need lots of dances and extras.
I guess you know it all since you went to College. Liberal professors that never met the real world brainwashed you into the little sheep that you are. School isn't the only way to learn. I feel sorry for you that you think that you're so much better than anyone else.
I hope you're only doing this to entertain yourself.
Too bad you can't think for yourself buddy boy.
You seem to know all about me, but somehow I am the racist. I am the
one with pre concieved ideas.
Unfortunately we all will have to live and pay for bad decisions made by people like you.
Never knows when to stop or shut up....
The big problem is that none of us know the right decision. I contend that the status quo is better than Romney -- the Republicans have cut taxes but have not cut spending. Not during Reagan (he raised taxes), Bush I (he raised taxes -- then lost the election), and not during Bush II (who turned a surplus in a deficit). You really think Romney/Ryan was gonna cut spending? I got a bridge in NYC I'd like to sell you. No hurricane damage -- honest injun!
Do I think Obama is a savior or hero? Fuck no. He is a boring moderate who probably won't sink the ship. The economy will continue to grow slowly -- like it has been. Romney's game was convincing you that he could cut taxes and magically find cuts. No way was that going to happen.
@Che -- you do realize why we will need more doctors in those projections, n'est-ce pas? To deal with expanded use of the health care system, no? So what is your alternative?
We could eliminate all health care supports. Let the old folks die. Tell folks "Don't have insurance? No health care for you!"
If you want to advocate that, cool with me. But be honest about it. Just say you don't give a fuck about whether others have health care.
My income is at a level where a little additional tax to pay for health care isn't going to bother me. If the taxes are going to hit you (unless we really do hit the fiscal cliff, which I doubt) you are in that boat too. I'd prefer adequate health care for all. Somehow other industrialized countries manage to have outcomes similar to (or better than) ours for substantially lower costs. Perhaps we could learn something from them, no?
There are hundreds of thousands of people within an hour drive of where I live who are all going to see their taxes go up by that amount and they're all going to have to spend less because they'll have less money. The local coffee shops and restaurants. The waitresses who live on tips. The people who clean houses. The people who do lawn care and snow plowing. The employees at car dealerships. The people who work in small factories. All of them are going to have fewer people buying their products and services because instead of keeping our money to spend it's being taken and sent to Washington D.C.
That's going to affect hundreds of millions of people and it's going to have a domino effect. I'm spending less eating out so the employees at the restaurants are going to work, and earn, less so they're going to spend less. If the laws aren't changed this is going to be devastating to you, me, and most of our neighbors. Some people will be Ok, but most of us will have less money at the end of the month. The people who will be Ok? They're the rich. Because they don't pay taxes. They fire employees, make products cheaper or smaller, and raise prices to keep their income the same. We pay their taxes for them, we just don't realize it.
@Che -- you are making a reasonable point, but I can't believe you've looked that carefully at health care around the world. It is simply a fact that we rank 29th in healthy life expectancy -- a std measurement of outcomes -- but pay much more per patient. Logically, we have to be doing something wrong. Obamacare will evolve over time, like most policies. Could Obama have pushed something better through? Possibly, but health care reform has been hard in the US, and something needs to be done. The much maligned (in the states) NHS in th UK has about the same outcomes as the US but for far less money. The Swiss, Dutch, and Japanese have individual mandate like systems that work. Again, better outcomes per dollar.
My objection to all of the Obama whining I hear is simple -- things simply aren't that bad. I would have loved it if Obama had been a wizard who fixed the economic hole we were in when 2009 slouched in and rapidly brought us down to 5% unemployment and '90s like growth. While he was at it he could have implemented sensible reforms to the war on drugs (treating drugs as a public health problem rather than the more expensive criminal justice problem), reformed our health care system perfectly, and brought peace to the Middle East. But I never thought that would happen. We are where I thought we would be -- in a mixed bag but still afloat.
And the deficit? A problem, but remember that the CBO was projecting in 2000 that we would pay off the DEBT (not the deficit -- we had a budget surplus at the time) by 2006. By 2011 we would have been $2.3 trillion in the black. Instead we got tax cuts, wars, and limited growth. Obama added to that, but not as much by spending as most think (Obama's deficits largely reflect decreased revenue). Where will we be in a decade? Probably not where we would have been if Clinton's policies had continued, but prob'ly not up shit creek either.
Will he do better in term 2? I hope so (we all should hope) but I suspect we'll just be muddling along. The question is whether Romney would have been better (or even as good). I saw no evidence he would. Indeed, I feel he would have felt strong pressure to implement policies that are pretty fuckin' crazy. From what I have heard Romney is a good technocrat. He might have worked well if the national Republican Party wasn't off the rails. If we had two moderate parties electing him might have been a gamble worth taking. But there are Republicans who simply ignore data out there. LOTS of them. Indeed, the nut jobs are RUNNING the GOP right now. Romney was an old school Republican in a wakjob party. The grown ups in the Democratic Party are solid technocrats with varying degrees of skill; my perception is that Obama isn't the best of them and isn't the worst, but he is who we have.
Let's all cross our fingers, stop believing the Ayn Rand bullshit (if ya still believe it), and see what unfolds.
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There is a reason why so many throughout the world and throughout time have wanted to immigrate to America over all other nations – and it hasn’t been to get government help – in fact, they come getting away from those types of often super-inefficient governments.
I believe there are some merits to both sides:
+ Republicans may have allowed the free market to have become to “free†to the point off bringing down the world economy. I’m all for free markets, but there have to be rules in place and it seems Republicans are saying the best rules are no rules. Just like Communism may look nice on paper to some but it is an utter disaster – I believe the free market believe of the invisible hand making everything right may (as Communism) look good on paper but not work flawlessly in practice since the free market is composed of flawed humans - and thus regulations need to be in place to deal with destructive flawed behavior.
Something needs to be done about health care IMO. I don’t think gov. makes anything better and definitely not more efficient. But the cost of health care is wayyyyyy out of control and many folks whom do not have insurance will often go w/o care until they do not have a choice. For many folks paying for health care out of pocket means having to go w/o other life necessities or at least putting a severe burden on their already fragile finances – it should not be this way IMO – neither should someone have to file bankruptcy b/c they did not want to die.
Most revolutions occur when too many people at the bottom (or middle) are getting screwed and any alternative seems better than the status quo. I think the Republicans have been to overzealous w.r.t. the Republican status quo and are thus paying the price.
W.r.t. the Obama win:
1) Romney was not even that well-liked by Republicans, or conservatives, to begin with – it seems the best thing that Romney may have had going for himself was that he was not Obama – and the “vote for me so the other guy doesn’t win†is probably not going to win too many presidential elections
2) A lot of the stronger and more well liked Republican candidates decided not to run in 2012 and are probably setting themselves up for 2016 – the current Democratic wave may just reverse course in 2016?
3) The electorate seems too often times get fed up with the party in power and will vote-in the opposing party – this has happened with the Congressional elections of the last 10 to 15 yrs. (although Obama won pretty overwhelmingly; the House is still largely Republican and there are more Republican governors than Democrat)
We’ll have to just stay tuned!!!
Perhaps it may have to do with the majority of the TUSCLers being older white men – not exactly Obama’s strongest segment :)
Maybe Romney should have ran some ads on TUSCL or started a thread or two :)
The Glass-Steagall act was passed in 1933 in part to prevent the financial crisis caused by banks and financial institutions back then from happening again. Bill Clinton in his infinite wisdom repealed the act, and look what happened to the financial system.
Our current mess is the result of politicians of both parties and the greed of the American public.