Anybody cuttind down on S/C activities like me to afford Tax hikes, Obama care?

Been seeing my OTF more so less for the clubs

No.

No plans at this time.

Yes, here in Texas were are currently spending our SC money on arms and ammunition and our time organizing. Off road vehicle sales are up and we're currently working with Cushing, Oklahoma on whether they will join us or force us to shut down our pipelines. All this is real hush hush right now until word comes on the Fiscal Cliff. But I guarantee you the State of Texas will not go down it with the rest of the United States!

Where do the tax hikes come in at? If it's a million, I'm okay, $250k I get hit. I here they are thinking $400k as compromise, I'm okay if it's that as well.

;))

@VHK- Why do you have to get testy about this? The OP is merely offering his analysis of likely future outcomes. No need to call him or any of us names. It is simply a fact that the new Affordable Care Act will cause an increase in expenses (and not merely to millionaires!)
Why must some of you get personal with every response? Can't we all just get along?

@VHK- I don't think one sentence you made is true. And Obama the Saviour? You sound like a cult fanatic.

I will be cutting back. Gasoline was $3.10 before the election, now it is $3.60. Food, health insurance, gasoline, and utilities are going up in price and alot of people haven't gotten cost of living raises the past few years to keep up.

I'll be spending more, because I'm good at my chosen profession and I keep moving on up.
OP sounds like a typical sour grapes woe is me I'm always a victim piece of shit. You ask strippers who they voted for, presumably so you can reward the ones that voted the way you want, and punish those that didn't? You give a snarky response to somebody in need, rather than just say no.

Bubbaloo you sound like a piece of shit douchebag. The reason you are going to be spending less is simple; you're a loser.

Well mr VH. Spewing the typical leftist bull that if someone will not agree with you, they must be stupid.

Somehow you seem to think I am rich. That is not true at all. I gre up very poor. Much poorer that any people I have ever met on government assistance. And no, my family did not ever accept help from the government.

I served in the militart, with honor. Always worked more than 1 job. Then sacrificed and scrimped to start my own business. Worked hard, paid my taxes. Always did what most think is right. Now we want to redistribute the wealth now thast I'm slightly comfortable for the first time in my life?

Nobody owes you anything Asshole.

If you want or need something, get off your ass and earn it. Don't give me aguilt trip that you can't afford it. Get some training. Apply youraself at your job so that you can earn more. Work two jobs if you have to. No body said it would be easy. Grow up and stop having everyone else pay your way.

If you want to be a socialist, leave my country alone. I've traveled most of the world and let me tell you, socialism is not the answer.

Go to Europe. Pay $10 a gallon for gas and 3 times a much as you should for everything for a while. Then see how well their systems work.

Our insurance, medicalsyatems, and others can be bad and expensive untill you see how they work when the government runs them.

What have you and your type ever done for this country but complain and take?

Anyone who thinks that they have an answer to gas price control is living on another planet.

VHK,

It is obvious that you did not read the Obamacare docs, or if you did read them you just don't understand the implications.

They cap FSA accounts at a lower rate and reduce mdedical deductions for those itemizing. Both of those result in a tax increase to the individual.

Well JUST got laid off so yeah I'll be having no SC activity in the near future :-(

@VHK, you're kidding, right? Do you pray to Obama? He's just another crappy President. Worse than most.

Also, thanks for the sermon on not spending money at strip clubs till after my bills are paid. Did you even read the post?

Go ahead and make fun of my typos all you want. My hands are pretty beat up from WORKING ALL MY LIFE.

Tottilla chip, my man. I've done more in my life than you will ever dream about. I can spend my money on anyone or any way I like. Have a good time trying to rile me up because I know who the loser is. It ain't me my friend.

Nope. I'm planning on upping my spending next year. Can't take it with you....might as well spend it on strippers.

Excuse me. If rich people don't create jobs, who does? Poor people? Some would consider me rich but I work 70-80 hours a week, take 1 weeks vacation/year and since I am self employed it is not a paid vacation. Thanks to our brain trust in DC I take home the same as 30 years ago with no cola. That is NOT adjusted for inflation but I do create jobs. Real jobs where people work and enjoy their work.

Any taxes coming up to income from treasury interest? :-)

OP, spend your money how you wish to and on what you wish to buy. Enjoy the money you have while on this world. We can't spend it after we're dead.

Don't pay much heed to the crazies here. Don't even pay me any attention. DO what you believe is right for you.

VH you are so misguided, not even sure where to start. Obama inherited a mess and instead of focusing on the ecomony, he started on immigration and Guantanamo Bay. He bailed on those two ideas immediately and jumped to health care. Yeah, let's cover kids on their parents insurance until 26 and fuck, re-elect me and we will have to cover them on till 30.

The solution is jobs and buisinesses are doing everything they can to not hire so they don't need to deal with Obamacare. Why do you think there was a mini revolt in 2010 with the House elections. THe majority of this country are against Obamacare but weren't willing to deal with Romney for four years to deal with it. They voted for the best, worst case scenario. Ask the middle class, what rewards are you talking about? People working two or three part-time jobs because businesses avoid the benefits. And the wall-streeters that were getting huge bonuses were spending thousands in the clubs and the girls were going out shopping all over NYC, that's true trickle down, douche!

We have had two presidents, back to back that have destroyed this country and it will really take awhile for us to climb out, from a $5+ trillion deficit to $16 trillion and climbing..

Ye what that one dude said .:)

Bubbaloo - You are a great American!

VH - You are so off base and completely clueless that a response to your ignorant comments are not even worth it. Do you work for a living or collect a welfare check from the Anointed One???

Looks like acting liberal or socialist economically is the next great troll on TUSCL. Damn those damn commies!

Lol

I am tired of the rants coming from some one who gets his news from Bill (pig) Mayer and thinks Sean Penn is a good actor.

I have noticed that it is when the Republicans and Libertarians dislike an adminstration they are polite and respectful of the views of others. The liberals who worship at the alter of Obama hate anyone who voices a disagreement and either shout them down or use intimidation to silence them. Obama is first and foremost a Chicago politician. We all know what that means=cronism and back room favors.

I have a news flash for you there is a 3% tax increase that hits EVERYONE January 1 2013 that was delayed from 2010 until after the election. The fix for Alternative Minumum Tax (started under LBJ) has expired and will hit everyone above $49K (single).

This is the last time I will try to educate someone like you.

In the 30's Hitler (remember Nazi stands for National Socialist Party) nationalized the economy so only his cronies were allowed to own their businesses, blamed business for the economy, and spouted hate that guy! But Hitler was hailed by academia and the press as the savior of Germany and therefore the world. In the 60's Castro did the same thing and was again hailed by academia and the press as savior(if you do not know what Castro is/was ask a Cuban exile, I have). Now we have a "savior" nationalizing industry (auto bailout),cronism (Solindra and auto unions), nationalizing healthcare (the largest single industry in the USA), blaming business for all our troubles and spouting hate that guy and shut him up because he does not like my policies. He also has the blessing of academia and the press. Are we seeing a pattern emerge??

Where is the answer to our problems. I am not sure but it certainly does not lie down the road to totalitarianism.

Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton prophesized the when the lazy figured out that they could vote themselves a handout there would be greedy politicians willing to do it under the guise of "public good".

Hmm...

VH you just made my point for me with your latest hate rant. Nuff said.

@vhk. Did someone bust your jaw for talking shit in public and now you have to resort to hate shit on the internet?

C'mon, VH_dude, take a chill pill. I think they will soon be covered by Obamacare. Alternatively, move to CO or WA where you can chill out by smokin' mother nature... A good leftist should be a mellow leftist (unless you are in the middle of a meth, LSD, cough syrup, and coke frenzy -- in which case you should FRENZY ON!!!)

Seriously, I just can't be that upset yet by the fiscal cliff. It is no longer politically expedient for either side to play chicken, so I predict that we'll see a compromise toute de suite. At least a short term one. Very likely that none of your taxes are going to go up unless you make enough that you wouldn't really notice. Definitely not yours Bubbaloo -- didnt you say your boss stopped paying you in dollars and is now giving you the much more valuable magic beans? Doncha know da Feds don't tax ya if your salary is completely in the form of magic beans?

For medical care, those of you who hate Obamacare do realize that we subsidize medical care now, just indirectly and inefficiently. People who cannot afford medical care just go to emergency, where they may end up saddled with debt and if they cannot pay that money ultimately comes from somewhere. Where could that be? Hmmm... Maybe the costs are passed on to those of us who do pay for their health care. Ya think?

Doesn't directly matter to me -- I've had excellent coverage my whole life. But the reality is that medical care is a bad marketplace. Most people cannot make informed decisions. Putting care off can increase later costs. The reality is that we've needed national health for some time and Obamacare may not be the best, but it is a move in the right direction. Don't believe me? Our health costs are disproportionately high relative to other industrialized nations. And our outcomes are mediocre. Something had to change, an dats a fact, Jack!

So, as one of the 52% (better income and job stability than the 47% but not in the 1%) I say to all the whining repubs QUIT YER BELLYACHING. Obama may not be the best POTUS and if you voted for Romney 'cos you thought he was marginally better, I understand that. If you voted the big O 'cos he was the lesser of two evils in your opinion, I understand that (and agree withe the evaluation)

But if you think Obama is great, I don't see evidence of that. And if you think he is a Nazi, commie, atheist, Muslim, puppy-kicker from Kenya you should go see the doctor. But only if you've got insurance, 'cos I don't wanna pay to fix your self-inflicted stupidity.

And NO -- I ain't gonna reduce my strip club outlay. I'm increasing it to 90% of my take home to be like my man JUICE!!! Fuck yeah!

VH_dude, you do need to smoke some chibby... I voted for the dude too, but national hero?

Alternatively, take the cocktail of meth, coke, acid, DXM, and PCP-laced weed and really go for it. If you take those drugs I bet you can make the case that Obama came from thirdspace to bring peace to a troubled galaxy by destroying Za'ha'dum.

Your choice man. Make it wisely.

If all men are created equal, and supposedly treated equal under the law, then why isn't income treated equally?

Guys like Romeny and Buffett labor their asses off to make money, but get to pay capital gain rates instead of earned income rates and not pay social security. Why can't I get that deal? Every extra dollar I earn is taxed 6.2% SS + 28% EI. Every extra dollar of carried interest for Romeny is taxed 15% CG and he doesn't create a single job through his 'investment.' The system is bullshit.

As for the OP, I've already drastically cut back, but not due to finances. Even if I were still clubbing at my 'normal' rate, taxes would decrease my disposable income but would not 'significantly' affect clubbing.

VH: Your man won why are you so bitter and angry?

I will go more

I voted for socialism and Obama. I can't wait to get free healthcare, free cellphones, free housing and finally free dances at the local stripclub.

As long as I don't have to pay for anything, free shit sounds great.

Sounds like a great economic system, from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

I need lots of dances and extras.

Mr smarter than all of us...

I guess you know it all since you went to College. Liberal professors that never met the real world brainwashed you into the little sheep that you are. School isn't the only way to learn. I feel sorry for you that you think that you're so much better than anyone else.

I hope you're only doing this to entertain yourself.

Too bad you can't think for yourself buddy boy.

You seem to know all about me, but somehow I am the racist. I am the one with pre concieved ideas.

Unfortunately we all will have to live and pay for bad decisions made by people like you.

By the way I hate Limbaugh. He sounds like a liberal when he gets on a rant.

Never knows when to stop or shut up....

Well, bubbaloo, we all have to live with the bad decisions of others in a democracy. G W Bush was pretty clear on this when he said his admin passed their "accountability moment". And he was right. Our country lived through Bush 'cos a majority of folks voted him (well, in 2004 he got a majority) and now we're livin' through Obama 'cos -- drum roll -- majorities voted for him. Twice! In 2008 and 2012!

The big problem is that none of us know the right decision. I contend that the status quo is better than Romney -- the Republicans have cut taxes but have not cut spending. Not during Reagan (he raised taxes), Bush I (he raised taxes -- then lost the election), and not during Bush II (who turned a surplus in a deficit). You really think Romney/Ryan was gonna cut spending? I got a bridge in NYC I'd like to sell you. No hurricane damage -- honest injun!

Do I think Obama is a savior or hero? Fuck no. He is a boring moderate who probably won't sink the ship. The economy will continue to grow slowly -- like it has been. Romney's game was convincing you that he could cut taxes and magically find cuts. No way was that going to happen.

And Che, I'll just point out a fundamental flaw in the article you cite as criticism of Obamacare...

@Che -- you do realize why we will need more doctors in those projections, n'est-ce pas? To deal with expanded use of the health care system, no? So what is your alternative?

We could eliminate all health care supports. Let the old folks die. Tell folks "Don't have insurance? No health care for you!"

If you want to advocate that, cool with me. But be honest about it. Just say you don't give a fuck about whether others have health care.

My income is at a level where a little additional tax to pay for health care isn't going to bother me. If the taxes are going to hit you (unless we really do hit the fiscal cliff, which I doubt) you are in that boat too. I'd prefer adequate health care for all. Somehow other industrialized countries manage to have outcomes similar to (or better than) ours for substantially lower costs. Perhaps we could learn something from them, no?

My income taxes are going up by $350 a month on January first unless Congress and Obama change the law and I'm not rich, or even close to it. That's a huge cut in my disposable income and I'm not going to be spending that money at strip clubs, eating out, buying new clothes, paying someone to clean my home, donating to charity, or any number of things.

There are hundreds of thousands of people within an hour drive of where I live who are all going to see their taxes go up by that amount and they're all going to have to spend less because they'll have less money. The local coffee shops and restaurants. The waitresses who live on tips. The people who clean houses. The people who do lawn care and snow plowing. The employees at car dealerships. The people who work in small factories. All of them are going to have fewer people buying their products and services because instead of keeping our money to spend it's being taken and sent to Washington D.C.

That's going to affect hundreds of millions of people and it's going to have a domino effect. I'm spending less eating out so the employees at the restaurants are going to work, and earn, less so they're going to spend less. If the laws aren't changed this is going to be devastating to you, me, and most of our neighbors. Some people will be Ok, but most of us will have less money at the end of the month. The people who will be Ok? They're the rich. Because they don't pay taxes. They fire employees, make products cheaper or smaller, and raise prices to keep their income the same. We pay their taxes for them, we just don't realize it.

@VHK- OMG you are so deluded my friend. Obama the saviour? When you look to a mortal man as a saviour your are way offtrack.

Just wondering, because the Bush tax cuts were meant to be temporary even when he proposed them, thats why they had an expiration date. So, pre-bush tax cuts, what were all you guys spending money on. Did you club? From reading posts I can safely presume a significant portion of the active members here are older. So when Bush enacted those tax cuts, did you start dancing a jig in your living room knowing you could now afford to go to strip clubs whereas you couldn't before?

This starting of this thread was a joke, right?

I'm going to double my spending on strippers.

@canny -- the fiscal cliff ain't gonna happen. There will be a compromise of some sort. Not in either party's best interest to let it happen at this point, so stop worrying and get yo' ass to da club!

@Che -- you are making a reasonable point, but I can't believe you've looked that carefully at health care around the world. It is simply a fact that we rank 29th in healthy life expectancy -- a std measurement of outcomes -- but pay much more per patient. Logically, we have to be doing something wrong. Obamacare will evolve over time, like most policies. Could Obama have pushed something better through? Possibly, but health care reform has been hard in the US, and something needs to be done. The much maligned (in the states) NHS in th UK has about the same outcomes as the US but for far less money. The Swiss, Dutch, and Japanese have individual mandate like systems that work. Again, better outcomes per dollar.

My objection to all of the Obama whining I hear is simple -- things simply aren't that bad. I would have loved it if Obama had been a wizard who fixed the economic hole we were in when 2009 slouched in and rapidly brought us down to 5% unemployment and '90s like growth. While he was at it he could have implemented sensible reforms to the war on drugs (treating drugs as a public health problem rather than the more expensive criminal justice problem), reformed our health care system perfectly, and brought peace to the Middle East. But I never thought that would happen. We are where I thought we would be -- in a mixed bag but still afloat.

And the deficit? A problem, but remember that the CBO was projecting in 2000 that we would pay off the DEBT (not the deficit -- we had a budget surplus at the time) by 2006. By 2011 we would have been $2.3 trillion in the black. Instead we got tax cuts, wars, and limited growth. Obama added to that, but not as much by spending as most think (Obama's deficits largely reflect decreased revenue). Where will we be in a decade? Probably not where we would have been if Clinton's policies had continued, but prob'ly not up shit creek either.

Will he do better in term 2? I hope so (we all should hope) but I suspect we'll just be muddling along. The question is whether Romney would have been better (or even as good). I saw no evidence he would. Indeed, I feel he would have felt strong pressure to implement policies that are pretty fuckin' crazy. From what I have heard Romney is a good technocrat. He might have worked well if the national Republican Party wasn't off the rails. If we had two moderate parties electing him might have been a gamble worth taking. But there are Republicans who simply ignore data out there. LOTS of them. Indeed, the nut jobs are RUNNING the GOP right now. Romney was an old school Republican in a wakjob party. The grown ups in the Democratic Party are solid technocrats with varying degrees of skill; my perception is that Obama isn't the best of them and isn't the worst, but he is who we have.

Let's all cross our fingers, stop believing the Ayn Rand bullshit (if ya still believe it), and see what unfolds.

VH is provocative. He get's the people going!

Nice article, Che. Here's an even better one:

snopes.com

BBuubbaalloo, you need to make up your mind. Either you have enough money to spend any way you want or you need to cut back on your spending because your taxes are increasing. Can't have it both ways. Also, I will admit I am impressed you took your latrine cleaning experience from the army and applied it to cleaning toilets in the civilian world. Most people leave the army with no practical civvie world skills. You did. You started a business cleaning up other people's shit. Good for you! There probably aren't many people out there that can say they cleaned up other people's shit and piss in as many countries as you. You HAVE accomplished a lot!!

I think VH is fucking with you easily angered guys. I love it.

Stax: could be! ;-)

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

The U.S. has (at least for now) by far the biggest economy in the world (~3x the 2nd place economy) – I don’t think this was accomplished by big government; often times in spite of it IMO.

There is a reason why so many throughout the world and throughout time have wanted to immigrate to America over all other nations – and it hasn’t been to get government help – in fact, they come getting away from those types of often super-inefficient governments.

I believe there are some merits to both sides:

• Republicans may have allowed the free market to have become to “free” to the point off bringing down the world economy. I’m all for free markets, but there have to be rules in place and it seems Republicans are saying the best rules are no rules. Just like Communism may look nice on paper to some but it is an utter disaster – I believe the free market believe of the invisible hand making everything right may (as Communism) look good on paper but not work flawlessly in practice since the free market is composed of flawed humans - and thus regulations need to be in place to deal with destructive flawed behavior.

Something needs to be done about health care IMO. I don’t think gov. makes anything better and definitely not more efficient. But the cost of health care is wayyyyyy out of control and many folks whom do not have insurance will often go w/o care until they do not have a choice. For many folks paying for health care out of pocket means having to go w/o other life necessities or at least putting a severe burden on their already fragile finances – it should not be this way IMO – neither should someone have to file bankruptcy b/c they did not want to die.

Most revolutions occur when too many people at the bottom (or middle) are getting screwed and any alternative seems better than the status quo. I think the Republicans have been to overzealous w.r.t. the Republican status quo and are thus paying the price.

W.r.t. the Obama win:

1. Romney was not even that well-liked by Republicans, or conservatives, to begin with – it seems the best thing that Romney may have had going for himself was that he was not Obama – and the “vote for me so the other guy doesn’t win” is probably not going to win too many presidential elections

2. A lot of the stronger and more well liked Republican candidates decided not to run in 2012 and are probably setting themselves up for 2016 – the current Democratic wave may just reverse course in 2016?

3. The electorate seems too often times get fed up with the party in power and will vote-in the opposing party – this has happened with the Congressional elections of the last 10 to 15 yrs. (although Obama won pretty overwhelmingly; the House is still largely Republican and there are more Republican governors than Democrat)

We’ll have to just stay tuned!!!

BTW – it seems to me the trend in this thread seems to be anti-Obama.

Perhaps it may have to do with the majority of the TUSCLers being older white men – not exactly Obama’s strongest segment :)

Maybe Romney should have ran some ads on TUSCL or started a thread or two :)

Republicans did not bring down the world economy.

The Glass-Steagall act was passed in 1933 in part to prevent the financial crisis caused by banks and financial institutions back then from happening again. Bill Clinton in his infinite wisdom repealed the act, and look what happened to the financial system.

Our current mess is the result of politicians of both parties and the greed of the American public.