My Attempt At OTC Part II
Revo
So after yesterdays text exchange I was a little frustrated and needed to relax. I was out of town and had a nice hotel and cash in my pocket. So I headed off to one of my favorite clubs. I had three attempts at OTC. This is an all nude club full contact with no extras. Dances are on long couches in the open. Trying to apply lessons learned on here. None of these dancers have danced for me before and I did not know them. Let me know what you think.
#1 Mackenzie; man the club was amazing this night especially for a Tuesday. There were few customers and many very fine women. At least 12, 7 to 8's and at least 5, were 9's. So I spot her after a while easily one of the top 3 hottest ones in there. About 5'6â€, 20ish blond slender a good 9.5, eyes that could look right through you, perfect natural tits, and an ass you could serve a beer on. Fabulous. So I make some good eye contact and she is soon at my side chatting. Couple of minutes later we are on the dance couch. And certainly one of the best dances I have had in a while, very senuous considering no extras (I did touch her pussy a couple of times). So she is definitely interested and we are getting a good ahem “rapport†going on. And I think I can tell the difference between a dancer who is into our exchange and one who is going through the motions. I gave her many compliments when she is dancing. After a while she is also giving me kisses and giving me compliments. I buy five dances and near the end I say “you are awesome, you need to come back to my hotel with me†she says nothing. After a couple of more minutes I say “ you need to come back to my hotel with me†she says “we are not allowed to do that in hereâ€. So I drop it. She was neither offended or excited. A little more ambivalent than anything else. I did not talk money so she may of thought I wanted to fuck for free? She told me she need to make money, but I did not say anything or offer her any money. I figured this is one I would have to cultivate and get some trust first. Is that right?
#2 Do not remember name. This one was the most into me. Beautiful head about a 8.5 and body was good except for skinny ass. Don't need a big ass but need something. Anyway I definitely would have did her. Perfect natural bobbies. We talked quite a bit before doing the dances. Then we did five dances, and she was the closest to extras I got that night. Rubbed my dick with her hand a little and I rubbed her pussy a little with no objections. She seemed the most willing of the night. So at the end I say same thing “you need to come back to my hotel with me†she says “let me think about itâ€. A few minutes later I try again “she says let me think about itâ€. I figure it was an attempt at ROB. I never tried again. We parted company. Once again I figured she could be persuaded over time and getting to know her. She was young also 20ish.
#3Haley cute cute cute! Best personality, 20ish again. Came up to me and we immediately hit it off. Looked like a light skinned latina but I found out she was Italian. Beautiful breasts and solid ass. Good 8 on head and body. But by far the best connection. We joked and talked and truly enjoyed each others company. She was the most shy with eye contact but was very into the dance. I would say she was the most into it. Judging by the snail tracks she left on my pants. When she was dancing she would literally straddle my dick with her pussy and directly rub her naked pussy on my cock. I could literally feel her clit rolling over the head of my cock. Let me tell you some girls do this in this club. But usually they just rub their ass or legs on your crotch. It was great. Same thing lots of compliments a little dirty talk. Eye contact when they are rubbing your dick. I also like to give them some instruction, do this or that. I find they really like this. Anyway get to the end. I say “you really need to come back to my hotel†she says she “is going out with her friend for her birthdayâ€. I say “bring her alongâ€. I try again then she says very matter of factly, “I don't do that, that is not meâ€. So I drop it. She asks me to come see her and we hug and that is the end. Once again I figured she is too young. She was very complimentary of me at the end many times. And honestly I don't think money would be a motivator for her. Only possible way maybe would be more as a dating arrangement. Am I wrong? Do you think it is because I am from out of town (2 hr drive)?
By the way I tried to catch her on her way out. Just to talk briefly and say goodbye but at that exact moment. This nasty crack whore looking stripper with a head like a bastard ape stopped me and would not let me go. Damn I hate that. I almost paid her just to leave me alone.
So there it is. It has been a busy Tuesday. I am open for advice from all of the masters on this site. I am learning and I do listen to advice.
#1 Mackenzie; man the club was amazing this night especially for a Tuesday. There were few customers and many very fine women. At least 12, 7 to 8's and at least 5, were 9's. So I spot her after a while easily one of the top 3 hottest ones in there. About 5'6â€, 20ish blond slender a good 9.5, eyes that could look right through you, perfect natural tits, and an ass you could serve a beer on. Fabulous. So I make some good eye contact and she is soon at my side chatting. Couple of minutes later we are on the dance couch. And certainly one of the best dances I have had in a while, very senuous considering no extras (I did touch her pussy a couple of times). So she is definitely interested and we are getting a good ahem “rapport†going on. And I think I can tell the difference between a dancer who is into our exchange and one who is going through the motions. I gave her many compliments when she is dancing. After a while she is also giving me kisses and giving me compliments. I buy five dances and near the end I say “you are awesome, you need to come back to my hotel with me†she says nothing. After a couple of more minutes I say “ you need to come back to my hotel with me†she says “we are not allowed to do that in hereâ€. So I drop it. She was neither offended or excited. A little more ambivalent than anything else. I did not talk money so she may of thought I wanted to fuck for free? She told me she need to make money, but I did not say anything or offer her any money. I figured this is one I would have to cultivate and get some trust first. Is that right?
#2 Do not remember name. This one was the most into me. Beautiful head about a 8.5 and body was good except for skinny ass. Don't need a big ass but need something. Anyway I definitely would have did her. Perfect natural bobbies. We talked quite a bit before doing the dances. Then we did five dances, and she was the closest to extras I got that night. Rubbed my dick with her hand a little and I rubbed her pussy a little with no objections. She seemed the most willing of the night. So at the end I say same thing “you need to come back to my hotel with me†she says “let me think about itâ€. A few minutes later I try again “she says let me think about itâ€. I figure it was an attempt at ROB. I never tried again. We parted company. Once again I figured she could be persuaded over time and getting to know her. She was young also 20ish.
#3Haley cute cute cute! Best personality, 20ish again. Came up to me and we immediately hit it off. Looked like a light skinned latina but I found out she was Italian. Beautiful breasts and solid ass. Good 8 on head and body. But by far the best connection. We joked and talked and truly enjoyed each others company. She was the most shy with eye contact but was very into the dance. I would say she was the most into it. Judging by the snail tracks she left on my pants. When she was dancing she would literally straddle my dick with her pussy and directly rub her naked pussy on my cock. I could literally feel her clit rolling over the head of my cock. Let me tell you some girls do this in this club. But usually they just rub their ass or legs on your crotch. It was great. Same thing lots of compliments a little dirty talk. Eye contact when they are rubbing your dick. I also like to give them some instruction, do this or that. I find they really like this. Anyway get to the end. I say “you really need to come back to my hotel†she says she “is going out with her friend for her birthdayâ€. I say “bring her alongâ€. I try again then she says very matter of factly, “I don't do that, that is not meâ€. So I drop it. She asks me to come see her and we hug and that is the end. Once again I figured she is too young. She was very complimentary of me at the end many times. And honestly I don't think money would be a motivator for her. Only possible way maybe would be more as a dating arrangement. Am I wrong? Do you think it is because I am from out of town (2 hr drive)?
By the way I tried to catch her on her way out. Just to talk briefly and say goodbye but at that exact moment. This nasty crack whore looking stripper with a head like a bastard ape stopped me and would not let me go. Damn I hate that. I almost paid her just to leave me alone.
So there it is. It has been a busy Tuesday. I am open for advice from all of the masters on this site. I am learning and I do listen to advice.
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The first few times I asked strippers about OTC I was not successful. But once you have your first OTC it becomes a lot easier.
From their point of view their like "no I don't NEED too". But especially with younger ones they like party. So it's a good icebreaker for OTC.
These chicks,we're all hot. Do you think that could make the task more difficult?
Every dancer I have done OTC with has seen me in the club a few times, and we have built a rapport. I go in for the kill after that. I have not been able to score a first visit OTC.
I was in NYC recently and tried that, but to no avail.
I suggest hitting your local clubs. I'll bet your success ratio will go way up!!
but yeah, you could ask a lot nicer. how about "i'd love it if u came back to my hotel with me. i can make it worth your while" or "what would i have to do to get you to come back to my hotel with me?"
Not sure about that. Sometimes it can be an advantage. She knows there is no chance you will become a regular so has to score the money now. Also there is no chance you will "tell" other on her (constant fear they seem to have). Also she may just like the fact she knows you'll be gone the next day and can forget all about it them, as opposed to the constant managing of a relationship with a needy regular,
I never felt my OTC chances were hurt when I was traveling (other than the fact the my own schedule often didn't permit - e.g. Hard to stay out late if you are hitting the road the next morning.)
Adding it all up, I think the advantages and disadvantages about balance out.
I had one other beauty who I sensed a connection. I showed up another night and she started kissing me. We finally did see each other outside the club, but it wasn't for pay or anything else like that. She fell in love with me.
I have received a number of ITC extras and offers to see many dancers OTC. I offer one thing - normal conversation and respect. Simple stuff like that has proved to work well. The only other thing I do is be clean. I just act normal, and I make them comfortable.
Me too.
"I offer one thing - normal conversation and respect"
I also offer one thing - money.
I don't think so. When I was on the road more, it didn't really make much difference in the long run. Sometimes it took more money, sometimes more time. And Dougster has a point with the point about there being less of certain types of risk with an out-of-towner.
Once I was talking to a girl in Ft Lauderdale and mentioned I was going skydiving tomorrow. I had a few drinks and asked her to go with us. She said she needed $1200 to take the night off. I wasn't interested even though I know she thru a crazy number out there. But it was obvious she was comfortable with this kind of thing
I am a dine-and-dash road warrior, usually not to be seen ever again by the girl in whatever club I may be visiting. I have fair success with my approach; perhaps not as great as the success of some of the smoother guys here on tuscl, but plenty good enough for me.
Yes, because fun is their primary motivation for doing OTC after all. smh.
LOL!
Beach: This club does not have private areas.
Frameart/Dougster: How do you alter your approach when traveling?
Carolyne: Thanks for the perspective. Makes sense.
However, the stripper I had the longest relationship with initiallly turned me down. I had to persist until, about the fourth or fifth time, she said "You're really serious aren't you? OK" We had great sex over a period of a couple of years. She loved doggie style and would also do lingerie shows and masterbation shows for me.
Other girls will let you do just about anything to them in the club but not see you outside. I've asked girls to let me see their pussies and they pull their thongs aside or down and let me finger them until they're dripping wet but despite asking several times won't do OTC.
Then, there are the success stories. One stripper I was seeing stopped because she got a boyfriend. I was getting a dance from another girl at the club and was complaining about this girl not wanting to do a BJ or anything else. This dancer already had my cock out of my pants and was working it up and down when she said "I'll do anything and there's a motel two blocks down." I took her there when she got off work...presto, new fuck buddy.
Another club, another dancer, straddling my lap..."let me see your pussy"...panties pulled forward, finger goes in. But, this girl is already wet! I commented on it and she said "I'm always wet" I said she must get worked up being at the club all day. "Yeah" she said, "I go home and masterbate." It was easy to get her to a hotel. Rented a room for two hours (Great invention, hourly hotels)and filled her up with cum.
My last example concerns a stripper who got me hot and worked up while giving me lap dances in an open, public area with the couches around the walls of the room. No one seemed to care much about privacy as dancers were taking men's hands and placing them directly on their breasts. (This was a California club, just east of L.A. in Upland..bare breasts, no latex)My stripper (tall, tanned, blond about 36DD) was an expert at using her body as a shield to cover what her hands were doing inside my pants. After three of these dances I couldn't stand it any longer and we went to the VIP room, my hands held down in front of me trying to cover my erection, where totally nude dances were done. Before going there she assured me I could get "very comfortable" in the room. OK. I undid my pants and pulled them down. She began sliding up and down my body holding my cock in her hand working her way down to my mid section and then taking my cock in her mouth, licking and sucking and twirling her tongue around it. After a few minutes of this she straightened up, took my cock in her hand again and moved it toward her pussy. I thought she was just going to rub it against her pussy but, no, she inserted it directly inside her and began to ride it. Wow, this was the first time a dancer had ever done this to me but we repeated it several times over the next few months. An even bigger surprise was she let me cum inside her...full service to the maxium! Well, no surprise...she readily agreed
to meet me OTC which we did about five times before I moved to another city.
The point of all this is just keep trying, keep asking (And,as you see from my experience, you can ask very directly). There's plenty of girls out there who will say yes and, because they're strippers, really know how to move their body for the utmost excitment while you're fucking them. Believe me, it worth it to keep trying. Let us all know how you do.
I find that being calm and friendly is a great way to set the table before you pitch OTC. As carolynne rightly pointed out, the girls have to consider their safety and comfort when agreeing to OTC. Also, over time you'll get a better sense as to who to pitch it to and when to do so. Forcing it will just make you look too eager for it.
When a conversation gets to the right point, about half of the time the dancer will make the offer. However, if she does not, but I sense that she would be receptive to it, I usually say something like, "I'd really like to talk you out of here tonight if I could", in a calm voice with a light smile and direct eye contact.
Anyway, just my two cents and good luck.
Thanks for the input guys.
I am going to try again next week will report back my adventures.
Love this hobby. Beats the shit out of golf!
a) Don't overthink it - asking a whore if she would like get paid to have sex with you is not a complex art or science. They either do it or they don't. If they do, approach makes little difference (with one qualification see below).
Similarly if they don't you are not going to talk them into it with some king of logic or persuade them with your charm. (Unless you are the kind of guy who has enough game to bed strippers regularly, but if you were that guy you would know it won't need to ask here.)
b) The only way you can really blow it with one who does is to negotiate as if you are quite willing to settle for something less or generally imply you are a sucker with your money.
Many strippers will gladly provide you less drawn out over time to maximize the total amount of money they take from you.
Nevertheless, even if you are a sucker though, some would rather just fuck for cash then play the draw out game - probably a matter of it just being less energy for them, and they don't get a charge out of the "play the suckers" game that many strippers live for.
c) As Rick says there are some signs you will learn to pick up on and a general "vibe" you feel after time about who will and who won't.
Again, though, I don't think this is very important other than as an interesting "knowing without knowing how you know" psychological phenomena. There are also some things which can be articulated easily enough, but I'm keeping those secret.
If you "just ask" in plain English any time you meet a girl who you think you'd like to fuck and don't violate "b)" then your success rate will be higher than I'm sure you could possibly guess right now.
Even if you violate "b)" you should still get plenty of action, but will end up pay more as you learn.
Just remember "never give up". Don't get discouraged by early set backs, just get back in the game, and you'll be "winning" (to the extent that pathetic losers can be said to be "winning") in no time.
Man you can't do that!
Again, my theory is they either do or they don't and there is no "building of trust" or "winning them over" that many others here seem to think there is, so whether you ask them the first time you see them or third it doesn't matter.
(Note some guys claimed that in the past claimed that there was an elaborate art/science to this, but it looks like they stopped spotting that belief after enough people came on here and said "just ask" is about all there is to it.)
A theory indeed. But then again, you could be right. Maybe they are just whorebots who view guys as nothing more than penises with wallets attached and don't care about there safety or security.
Yup, an interesting theory indeed. ;)
@Revo: Yes, I meant to say "talk."
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=9…
It's some funny shit that everyone should read for laughs, but if you are serious about OTC just two words you need to keep in mind - "just ask".
Calm and cool. Act like you've been there before and never look ruffled. Sometimes these things pan out and other times they don't, but either way it should look like no skin off of your back.
In any event, good luck!
No, it is the one where I say that wearing a suit will keep a steady flow of girls coming your way. And yes, for quite obvious reasons this does not work as well in clubs with a lot of expensive suits. But your chances on getting reasonably priced OTC are not great in those types of clubs anyway, yet another reason is why I caution readers to target clubs away from downtown business districts in larger cities (NYC, Chicago, DC).
"lie about your job".
Look as long they think you will pay they don't care. Maybe you are a checkout boy at safeway but such a PL that you are willing to drop your whole pay check on her. She'll know whether you are for real or not.
"The girl will not want to travel 20 miles out of her way in the dead of night"
Met so many girls at Honey's who were willing to do just that. This is just plain wrong.
" NEVER sit at a stage "
Did that just last week, and scored an OTC nevertheless. You really think she is going to think to herself "yeah, his offer of OTC seems legit and I need the money, but dammit, his sitting next to the stage is giving me the creeps..." Whatever, dude.
As for the whole thing about dressing, most guys on here will tell you just do the experiment and see for yourself - it makes no difference. This is like the whole job thing, again poor, average, rich PLs may all be willing to pay for OTC, she just wants to know if you are real, and will get a sense of that from other signs besides how you dress.
Anyway, thanks again for posing that link to that massively amusing article. Cracks me up everytime!
No you didn't - LMAO.
As far as all of that other stuff, if you want to lavish your uninformed opinions, premised upon falsified experiences, upon newbies who don't know any better, then I can't stop you. In any event, they'll learn soon enough that Fraudster's little fantasy world, where strippers are whore-bots who treat everyone the same regardless of how they look or act, is not what they are experiencing. ;)
Oh my! "You lie!"
Rick: "if you want to lavish your uninformed opinions, premised upon falsified experiences"
Oh my! Conspiracy theories to boot!
but let me pile on ....
Your adventures *will* get better.
Everyone's fumbled through this, before makin it work for them.
As advised by the TUSCL experts, Direct approach in a courteous manner, is the BEST.
However, I like the girl friend experience (GFE) - so have worked this out:
If a dancer is rocking my world with her dances (happens 1 in 10 girls) - I start getting OTC urges. After the dances, I give the dancer a final embrace - warm, tight - and say this cheerfully
"I felt like I died and was in heaven. I need to kidnap you and send a note to you mom, sisters, family - Lola is cozy & secure and busy shopping. She will be returned to you Monday with a smile. <pause> After breakfast."
Three types of responses:
1. The dancer just gets tickled silly and giggles. I don't pursue further. [Most do this]
2. Same as above - but says "Oh - I'd love that with you". From here it is easy. (see below)
3. The dancer says "I offer take-out" (or OTC or dating or escorting)". I don't pursue further.
Mind you, I have known these dancers from before and a mutual friendship is already there (at dancer-customer level). Again - because I like GFE.
I don't have sex for money in USA because it is illegal.
However, once I am with the girl I really like - I do tell my girl about compensating for her time and goin shopping. And for her to act like my girlfriend for the weekend. Also tell her - not looking for a long term relationship. The 20 something girls consider the above requirements - EASY and a godsend.
As intertwined and complex this may sound - especially for TUSCL masters - a weekend GFE is 1000 times better than an actual girl friend. And - surprise surprise - easier on the wallet.
The thing is, most of the "TUSCL masters" you mention know their limitations. An ugly, fat, old guy isn't someone with whom most 20 something girls want to spend an entire weekend naked and fucking without an explicit promise of cold, hard cash.
If your approach is working for you, great. However, for somebody like me, there ain't a chance in hell something like that would work anymore. I'm OK with that, though. :)
Rogertex: did you ever meet a dancer in Austin's perfect 10 named Dee?
I look for Trinity and Robin and would like Ariel's company because I've heard so much about her - through reviews (& also in PMs).
(I think you wrote earlier this year)
I was wondering why his success rate might be lower than others, (especially give all the effort he has apparently put into trying to formulate all this - one think that would make his success rate higher).
Reasons I can think of -
a) the NE where Rick seems to do the bulk of his mongering is just a harder area geographically to score OTC compared to the rest of the country
b) he posted his success rate in 2009 and things have become even easier since then
c) his "method" (as he calls it or "the system" as I call it) is actually counter productive
Thoughts?
I think you left out a response:
4. "SECURITY!"
lol
If she's the curvaceous dark, dusky latina - about 5'9" (with heels).
I got dances when I first started visiting strip clubs (couple years ago).
Very good dances. Unrushed. 2 way contact. Didn't keep in touch with her though. (texas is loaded with beautiful women)
After the dances - she sat with me and asked me - "how were the dances and how she could make them more memorable"
That was a first - and still is the only experience for me where a dancer took a "customer satisfaction survey"! Dee did it with a sincere, straight face.
I was too new then - and mumbled some good stuff.
If I see her now - and she's still taking "user feedback" - I'll have something naughty and witty - which will wanna make her beat me up.
P10 is a great place in Austin.
Security here in Austin texas will go - "Hey, Hey - kidnap me too ! I can carry the shopping bags"
1. She's a girl, and she's taking a huge safety risk going somewhere with a guy she doesn't know. You aren't taking that risk. Many/most women think that the world is filled with perverts who are waiting to get them alone in a dark alley and kill them. They're taught that since childhood when teachers and parents pound into their heads not to walk alone or talk to strangers. So don't be surprised if any girl in her right mind would think twice.
2. Convincing a girl to have sex with you is probably not the best idea, in any situation. It might work okay, but if she really doesn't want to then it's far more likely she'll just go thru the motions, or be nervous, or tentative, or whatever.
3. Most women believe that sex = love, and anyone who does otherwise is a slut and a whore, neither of which are good.
4. It's illegal. It's not easy for some people to decide to do something that is illegal and could cost them their jobs and a bunch of other stuff. Keep in mind that getting arrested for prostitution could result in your picture being posted where family members, and your daughter's friends and school teachers could see it. Bad scene, man.
5. There are a hundred thousand other reasons why a girl would turn you down. Maybe you remind her of her father, or her brother, or she's turned off by older guys, or is on the rag, or she just had a bad experience with some guy OTC, or a million other things.
Seems to me that if you ask and she says no, then just move on to another girl or another club. If she hasn't already decided, before you even come along, that she wants to do OTC stuff, then she probably isn't someone you want to deal with.
If she hasn't done it, OTOH, despite what a bunch of studs (who, curiously still have to pay) some guys on TUSCL seem to think they are, what are the chances you will be the first one to talk her into? Go ahead and blather all you want about what a nice guy/true respecter of whores you are, but if it whas possible to wager against you, I'm gladly give out 9:1 (even more) that you are not going to be the first one to talk her into it.
But I agree, you want someone who has done this before, preferably many times, and is reasonably comfortable having sex with a strange man in a strange hotel room. And as far as I can tell, that means that she's had to convince herself to suppress a whole lot of things in the back of her head that tell her "this is just wrong".
Though I find it hard to believe that, once she's waded thru all of those hugely important danger signals and concerns, she gives a damn whether you're wearing a suit or not. But hey, what do I know.
As I mentioned, the girl has a list of hundreds or thousands of concerns. On the other hand, what are a guy's concerns? Well, there are only a couple: Is she hot, can I afford it, and, oh, BTW, it's illegal.
And the moment you ask her the question, all but one of the questions are resolved. You've already accepted that it's illegal and you're willing to take the risk, and you've already decided she's hot enough. Once she agrees on a price, you're golden.
But for her most of her concerns are just starting.
If it was me I'd be shocked if a girl said yes, and far less surprised if she said no.