Just wondering when you make initial OTC offers at your regular clubs do you start high and hope to eventually come down in price over time? or do you start low to keep her expectations low?
I usually go a bit high the first time or two out. Some girls think the amount you pay them shows how much they are worth to you. I know, I know, it makes absolutely no sense, but, hey, these girls are nuts, so just play along. It won't take long before they come down in price if you are a regular anyway, so what is $100 or so averaged over the course of all your futures sessions anyway?
Don't offer to pay anything, just offer to go out to dinner. Unload your gun before the date and don't have expectations. Choose a nice place, watch for the subtle clues. If you really can't tell, then just ask her if she is looking for pay to play or actual dating. If the answer is pay to play, ask her what she she had in mind. Will doing all this save you money? Prob not, but at least it starts an OTC relationship off where it should start off, outside the club.
Note: If she wants you to start the pricing, a good place to start is 1/2 the rate of a 1 hour champagne room where she works. *BUT* do not say per hour, just the dollar amount. Just because she is doing OTC does not mean she is a prostitute (or at least does not mean that she wants to be treated like a prostitute).
sam, once you set a price expectation then you are pretty much stuck with it. How do you think she will react if you tell her that you think that she is worth $300 today, but tomorrow you are only willing to give her $200?
Playing games will backfire. If you start too high, you risk runnung into the issue I highlighted above, but if you start too low, she may slot you in the cheap-ass/not serious category. In my experience, it is best simply to offer what you think a fair price is. girls that I've done OTC with were not exactly inclined to haggle if the money was worth it for them.
The two I am currently rotating are happy to take $120 per session. In negotiating with a new one I will tell them I have been getting it $100-$150 POP. Then I ask them what they want.
If you start high then it will be tough to get her down. No gal likes to c her money reduced.
Once they make it known that they are up for OTC, I simply ask what they charge. If the price is way too high, I just pass. If we are close then I will make a counter offer and it is usually accepted. The most I have paid has been $150. The highest I have been quoted was $500.
Anything over $120 a session then you might as well skip the OTC action and go straight to a non-dancer professional. most of them start in the $160 hr and up range...and there is no mystery as to what the conclusion will be.
On the other hand, some guys feel like paying for OTC action is not prostitution, but is an extension of the strip club experience...not sure law enforcement would agree.
I never mention a dollar amount when I ask a dancer about OTC. I just try to find out if she is willing. If a girl has the attributes prized by a shallow male like me, I will treat her generously rather than trying to negotiate the very lowest price.
I always wondered how you guys initiate this. I'm assuming you have to get pretty familiar/comfortable with a dancer before you ask her about OTC. I mean, what if the dancer is totally not into that type of thing, and she responds by slapping you or cursing you out. I'm assuming it must be pretty awkward if you ask about OTC and are denied, am I right?
When I'm seeking OTC, I first describe everything about how the evening would be conducted. I always like to take my OTC to dinner first, then back to my place. I show them photos of my condo that I keep in my phone, and tell them a little about the activity I like. My last line is, "If you're interested, call me." I don't even mention a price in the opening conversation.
yeah with me .. i just ask for her # and say we can talk about hooking up later.. some dancers will know exactly what your talking about and name a price up front usualy once u text or talk to them on the phone away from the club and away from the hustle mode they are in inside the club you can knock the prices down a little .. bit high to low is usualy the way to go
I used to meet aggressive dancers who sometimes would initiate conversations about hooking up later. Now all I meet on occasion are dancers making suggestions and they seem to suggest something more like boyfriend girlfriend but maybe that is a ruse in most cases just to get the conversation started. In most cases I'm usually not that interested in the dancers who happen to occasionally make suggestions but I was once talked into meeting up with one dancer because she was so persistent.
Then I remember one dancer who suggested meeting up (not for sex or money) and she didn't bother answering her phone until one day I got upset and then she immediately called me. I don't care for games. If someone wants to meet up tell me but don't pretend and lead me on with no intention of following through making up excuses why she can't meet up. That was one dancer. No other dancer I know of has done that. Plus I don't know what the dancer's angle was, she is still friendly with me and even game me her personal cell phone number she said she saves for only family and friends because her other number didn't work right. After she got me upset, I decided not to even bother with her but I still get dances from her when I see her.
I was thinking I may need to work on my approach. I remember another dancer I once thought about hooking up with one night when I drank more than normal, suddenly told me she had no boyfriend and suddenly wanted to know a whole lot more about me and acted like she wanted to start dating. uhhh, I thought, I spoke too much. I think she must be thinking I'm not serious because I never brought it up again even though she occasionally does. I'm not really that interested in hooking up with any dancers I've seen lately. I may just start saying no thanks to all offers to get dances as well. I heard in one club the dancers were told to ask for higher prices. I will just say no.
Time is too important to procastinate. As has been said have a budget in mind and try a 100 or so less than that. It may surprise you how much she is willing to come down to your price if you don't act desperate or over excited about the idea.
The way I look at it is that sometimes you have to pay a little more than you would like to get what you really want and it can be false economy tp stick to your budget. As an example back in September I broke my usual budget to see a 20yr old English escort in London. I agonised over it a little but boy oh boy was she worth it.
GoVikings: "I always wondered how you guys initiate this. I'm assuming you have to get pretty familiar/comfortable with a dancer before you ask her about OTC. I mean, what if the dancer is totally not into that type of thing, and she responds by slapping you or cursing you out. I'm assuming it must be pretty awkward if you ask about OTC and are denied, am I right?"
I originally was afraid that a dancer would scream and call for the bouncer if I suggested OTC, and so I waited for months to ask my favorite dancer out. I was naive. These girls are asked the question all the time, and they are not surprised or insulted, as long as you ask in a respectful way. I ask the dancer if she would like "to go out with me," and she will accept or refuse. I've never had a dancer get angry.
Now when I meet a new dancer who has the desired attributes, I have a few lap dances and then ask her out. About half say yes.
I try to get the money settled early on. And this is a fixed price. I have a hard time seeing you being able to reduce it over time. Strippers really like money. I think yankee428's suggestion of half the champaign room price is a good start.
Jackslash is totally right. I wanted to bone my ATF for 3 years. Then after several months away from clubbing, I got a dance from her and asked her directly, "would you be interested in a private show for me?" Her eyes got big and she said, "I thought you'd never ask! I usually charge $300 a pop, but since you're a friend, how about $200 for the night?" (we are not friends, just hobbiest/provider) That price works well for me, as I had spent that much on her a dozen times over the years for practically no extras.
Since then I have just asked dancers that knew me from previous visits the same line, or more to the point: "would you be interested in OTC?". None have ever gotten mad. In fact I think I'm batting about .500. Two of the missed swings were me trying it on the first meeting. One said, "No, I just met you 15 minutes ago!" The other said she was DTF, but I'd have to wait until she got off shift. I couldn't wait the 4 hours, so I had to pass.
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Note: If she wants you to start the pricing, a good place to start is 1/2 the rate of a 1 hour champagne room where she works. *BUT* do not say per hour, just the dollar amount. Just because she is doing OTC does not mean she is a prostitute (or at least does not mean that she wants to be treated like a prostitute).
Good luck dude
Playing games will backfire. If you start too high, you risk runnung into the issue I highlighted above, but if you start too low, she may slot you in the cheap-ass/not serious category. In my experience, it is best simply to offer what you think a fair price is. girls that I've done OTC with were not exactly inclined to haggle if the money was worth it for them.
If you start high then it will be tough to get her down. No gal likes to c her money reduced.
On the other hand, some guys feel like paying for OTC action is not prostitution, but is an extension of the strip club experience...not sure law enforcement would agree.
Then I remember one dancer who suggested meeting up (not for sex or money) and she didn't bother answering her phone until one day I got upset and then she immediately called me. I don't care for games. If someone wants to meet up tell me but don't pretend and lead me on with no intention of following through making up excuses why she can't meet up. That was one dancer. No other dancer I know of has done that. Plus I don't know what the dancer's angle was, she is still friendly with me and even game me her personal cell phone number she said she saves for only family and friends because her other number didn't work right. After she got me upset, I decided not to even bother with her but I still get dances from her when I see her.
The way I look at it is that sometimes you have to pay a little more than you would like to get what you really want and it can be false economy tp stick to your budget. As an example back in September I broke my usual budget to see a 20yr old English escort in London. I agonised over it a little but boy oh boy was she worth it.
Carpe diem Samsung, carpe diem.
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I originally was afraid that a dancer would scream and call for the bouncer if I suggested OTC, and so I waited for months to ask my favorite dancer out. I was naive. These girls are asked the question all the time, and they are not surprised or insulted, as long as you ask in a respectful way. I ask the dancer if she would like "to go out with me," and she will accept or refuse. I've never had a dancer get angry.
Now when I meet a new dancer who has the desired attributes, I have a few lap dances and then ask her out. About half say yes.
Jackslash is totally right. I wanted to bone my ATF for 3 years. Then after several months away from clubbing, I got a dance from her and asked her directly, "would you be interested in a private show for me?" Her eyes got big and she said, "I thought you'd never ask! I usually charge $300 a pop, but since you're a friend, how about $200 for the night?" (we are not friends, just hobbiest/provider) That price works well for me, as I had spent that much on her a dozen times over the years for practically no extras.
Since then I have just asked dancers that knew me from previous visits the same line, or more to the point: "would you be interested in OTC?". None have ever gotten mad. In fact I think I'm batting about .500. Two of the missed swings were me trying it on the first meeting. One said, "No, I just met you 15 minutes ago!" The other said she was DTF, but I'd have to wait until she got off shift. I couldn't wait the 4 hours, so I had to pass.
Good luck, samsung1!