Strippers vs. Other Women: How do they compare on looks?
chandler
Blue Ridge Foothills
Obviously, strippers make up only a tiny fraction of all women, so there's no fair way to compare. Still, I don't go to strip clubs because the women look that great. Even at the best clubs for lookers, I believe we always overrate how good they look. You can easily find better looking women in a regular bar or dance club. It's just that they aren't as accessible. It's why you hear the phrase "best looking woman I ever saw in a strip club". If you saw her anywhere else, she'd be just another pretty face.
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And yeah, the beach is fun! I happen to live near one where many of the Brazilian dancers in the Boston area go to work on their tans...
Yoda: So, you're not into ogling women in strip clubs because you do your ogling at the beach? Sounds good to me.
Certainly I'd never say or do anything lewd, but sensabilities being as tender as they are nowdays I often wonder how little it would take. In my college days a woman who went to a party alone and got drunk was, while not asking for it, an idiot to say the least. Now she's a victim hapless victim whose own behavior is beyond criticism. This case in Anapolis is a perfect example. Two cadets, both admitedly drunk, both hazy on what happened, but can we call it an unfortunate incident and move on, each person recognizing they showed poor judgement and while impaired ended up in a situation they later regretted? Nooooo. Somebody has to be blamed, 'cause bad things don't just happen.
Oh, and back to the topic, I'd actually be more concerned about offending an unstable boyfriend than the woman in dental floss.
I'd say the only thing I want to really emphasize, is that there are pretty girls all over the world, but the ones WITH WHOM I GET TO TALK are only in strip clubs. Thing is, thanks to this thread, now that I've articulated that fact (and no, I had not ever understood it in that manner), clubs are losing a little of their appeal and I'm feeling less frustrated about "real life" than I used to. Now I'm looking around for options for "solving that problem" rather than merely thinking, "This life sucks. I don't get hot chicks."
I don't know if I'll solve it, and the idea of being a model-photographer was just one pipe dream leading in that direction. But now I've got the right thinking cap on, at LEAST!
Interesting discussion.
Also if we were talking averages then lotsoffun would have a point, dim red lighting hides a lot of flaws and liquid courage (or pharmeceutical) helps the sexy/hot parts of the personality emerge, so if they were both judged OTC on the same basis I'd say civilian women win hands down. Since we're talking about the top stunners I stick with my previous statements that they are very different forms of attractiveness.
In my line of work I have many clients who are C.G's as well as dancers, and for the most part not a single one of them looks as good as they do in the club or on their websites.
It is just a simple fact that good lighting, coupled with a good photographer (in the case of the C.G's) and a little dose of liquid adult courage make girls look better than they actually are. this is of course not to say that all of them are ugly, just not the 9 - 10's we all think them to be.
I haven't had much time to read here lately but it seems that your topic has generated a lot of responses...always a good thing.
BTW, being able to openly ogle women is one of the great things about strip clubs, in my humble opinion.
Your desire to surround yourself with hot women is just about every man's (and some women's) greatest hope. You may just have to accept the fact that it might not be meant to be....not all of us can live that kind of charmed life.
The idea of surrounding yourself with attractive women is good. I've seen it work myself, when I helped hook up a few friends with dancers & other hotties. Ya never know til you try.
And as a last resort.....there are worse things in life than buying hot pussy, if we can't get it otherwise.
If, and only if you can look past the outside, could you find what lies within. Oh yes, and by the way. For the most part they suck in bed since they are grinding on men all day long, the last thing they want to do is grind some more when they get home just like lawyers don't like dealing with law, and doctors don't like dealing with medicine after hours.
Do you think an accountant likes to go home and do tax returns just for fun?
Coming home usually involves the same ritual. Taking a bath or shower to wash the makeup off or other filth that comes home. Washing outfits for the next day, eating dinner, playing with the kids, and going to sleep in something you would never find at Vicky Secrets, but rather at the sporting goods store. Intimacy is usually infrequent and planned well in advance.
As far as the way they dress when in normal life. Generally pretty conservative. They wear slinky clothes all day long with high heels and other acoutrements. At home it is generally sweat pants, and baggy tee shirts. Occasionally there is a pair of shorts which leave everything to the imagination.
Remember if they are out with their husband or S.O, the last thing they want is to be recognized by some customer at Wal-Mart or at dinner. One time we were out and some sleazy customer came over to our table telling her what a great time he had the other day. What transpired after that was an instruction from me for him to leave us alone and to keep his fantasy to himself since it was not something I wanted to hear.
On the other hand, I think the very fact that strippers are immediately available to us as visual or physical playthings (or accessible for conversation, whatever your pleasure) leads us to evaluate their looks on an entirely separate scale. It's like if you're shown a tray with a selection of desserts that you can choose from, the one that looks the best sets the standard for you, and you don't even think about how a dessert that's not available might compare (unless you're a masochist).
The result of these two contradictory tendencies, I believe, is that we overlook how many strippers in a good club are at least attractive, yet at the same time we avoid acknowledging that the top of the ITC scale is usually no match for women you can easily find OTC.
I see plenty of gorgeous women in and out of clubs, I don't really understand why there needs to be a comparison.
Let me ask you a question, do you have any really close female friends? I was lucky in a way, although at the time it sometime felt more like a curse, but I always had close female friends. In fact my closest friends have always been female.
Assuming that you do have at least one close female friend, here's what I suggest - level with her, tell her your problem and ask for help. And if you don't have a female friend who you feel that close to, cultivate one. And be alert to possibilities - in retrospect it occurs to me that some of my female friends probably wanted to be more than friends, but that just never occurred to me at the time.
Second question - are you physically active? Do you go to a gym regularly or run or ride a bike or play a sport etc? I found that working out regularly dramatically increased my self image. It's also a good way to increase your circle of friends. I was never much of an athlete, but I've found that as I get older it's all about staying fit, it doesn't matter how much ability you have. Fit people are more attractive.
I do have some female friends, but there's a conundrum there. As you have done, I too now realize that many of them are hanging around as friends in the vain "hopes" that something more might develop. In fact, once or twice in my life in other locales, women have gotten their courage (usually along with their blood-alcohol level) up to demand, "what is WRONG with you, I've done EVERYTHING to let you know I'm interested" (which of course was a lie; they'd FLIRTED, they hadn't SPOKEN CLEAR SENTENCES; but that's a different issue). Point is, I therefore was in the difficult position of having to inform someone, "Well, I'm not interested." inevitably my disinterest was because they were physically unattractive to me.
So I'm of two minds, as to keeping these fellow humans around, misleading them for my own benefit. I guess a really conniving hot-babe type would do just that, "this is the friend who wants to fuck me but I won't give them the time of day, but she can drive me home when I let her."
I wonder how I've lived with such unattractive people? I try to assess FAIRLY just how many hot people I know inside, and outside, of clubs (as is the topic of this message) but what I realize, is that I've consistently been in a community of undesirables. Grad students in the humanities aren't ALL slovenly dolts who don't know to bathe regularly, but somehow I "respected" the opinions of ugly girls who didn't know to bathe regularly. Combined with the other suggestion, above, that I should try to hang with attractive women in order to attract attractive women, this realization points out to me that maybe I'm selling myself too cheaply -- letting people who aren't exactly "together" occupy my time. Maybe I need to seek out more winners, whether it be at work or in my social life.
And for another reason, I hesitate to ask my female friends about how to get a date with a hot female. In general, the stories women tell about "what turns them on" are royally bullshit. They spin the romantic ideal -- I want a sensitive man (she says from the back of Bubba's Harley) who will treat me like a lady (she says while scouring pots to boil his undershirts) and respect my opinions (she says while voting for his party even though it contradicts her deepest convictions). No, women can't articulate "what the problem is" any better than I can. They have fantasies about their ideals, like we all do; but then they don't actually respond positively to the things that they say they would appreciate, as much as they do respond positively to aggressive, almost arrogant degrees of posturing and dominance-display.
You'd think this would be a simple solution. "Well, if it's aggressive, almost arrogant degrees of posturing and dominance-display they want, give it to 'em!" But I'm eveidently transparent when acting like that. Then they say, "Just be yourself," which doesn't work either. The "self" I'm being is someone who doesn't get dates with the women whom that "self" wants to date. Why would I want to "be" that person?
I get your well-meaning comment, that women might help me to understand women. I have tried some of that medicine, and found it rather bitter, and mostly ineffective.
About fitness? I'm out there, man. sorry that's not news to me either. In fact, maybe I'll head out to the gym right now. I'm getting my head all wrapped up in whining about women, I'm kind of thinking that I'm not really expressing my true opinions any more, just a lot of complaints that are coming to the fore for some reason or other. It's probably best if I looked at this in the clean light of day instead.
Thanks, though, for letting me vent. I'm sure few of us really have a clue about women. In general terms, I believe I have done well WITH THE WOMEN I'VE MET. The question is, WHERE are the HOT WOMEN whom I would RATHER date? How come I don't ever meet THEM? They keep themselves so secret and rare ...
Thing is, I can only SORT OF identify those things that I'd like to try to portray. In some ways, females have it easier. All they really have to do, is improve their looks. Sure, there are plenty of women who are doomed, cursed with hideous faces, dreadful teeth, shockingly misproportioned bodies. For them I have some advice despite the seeming difficulty of their situation: PLASTIC SURGERY. That is, if they deem the trade-offs to be worth it. The cost in terms of money, effort, self-esteem, sense of identity ... it's up to them to compare that cost to the potential gains, of impressing people with your looks.
But for men? What advice do I have? Get taller. Have a moustache, except when you're not supposed to have a moustache. Be seen with a hot-looking woman, except when a female who is shy but nevertheless a potential mate is around, in which case don't be seen with anyone because that might put her off. Make sure you wear nice shoes (shoes are a REAL fetish for chicks), but not so nice that they look more bling pimp style, but not so crappy that they don't look somewhere near to bling pimp style, but not so bling pimp style that they look crappy or nice. Get into a social network to develop good friendships -- but then, of course, the girls will automatically get the excuse that they would rather not "ruin a friendship" by dating you, so you'd better not be friends with them. And most important, NEVER ASK THEM OUT. If you ask, they can say "no." If you don't ask, it might "just happen." Of course, if you DON'T ask, that makes it all the less likely that you'll ever spend any time with them in a circumstance in which it might just happen. So, don't ask, but do ask.
How does anyone figure out this crap?
My current theory is that I should get into photography, and solicit beginner models for free shoots so we can help each other get started. Modelmayhem.com seems to be a good starting place. At least that way, I can interact with some attractive women to try to figure out their world view, and evne if I don't get to fuck them in the studio (always a fantasy!) at least I'll be able to use one or two as escorts to public events where (to follow FONDL's theory) I'll be seen with them. Hope there aren't any shy girls whom I put off with my arm-candy! :)
Erm, just venting. Very annoyed at females ... must be testosterone ...
And Chandler, I guess I answered your question then when I said that I'd met some very beautiful women in strip clubs. And some outside of strip clubs. There are lots of equally beautiful women both places. They just dress differently (or not at all - LOL.)
Hell, why don't you join a club, like FONDL recommends? Personally, I'd sooner undergo shock therapy. But it probably beats feeling defeated before you even leave the house. And smile like an idiot every time you make eye contact with a pretty girl. That's supposed to work wonders.
Indeed, I too am up in the air about my own attitude toward these issues. Glad we're discussing them to the point that you have indicated some degree of contradiction in my reports. That's gotta be good for me ... erm ... somehow ...
I guess it doesn't have much to do with the ACTUAL subject of the thread -- how do strippers and non-strippers compare, looks-wise? -- but it can be tangentially related. I'm essentially rephrasing the question, to one of access -- how do strippers and non-strippers WHOM YOU ARE FREE TO INTERACT WITH SUCCESSFULLY compare, looks-wise?
For me, I think you know the answer. I wonder, though, why I feel so limited in my access to non-stripper attractive women? I keep hearing a little voice in the back of my head, that I only need to ... something. I wonder what that is? Move cities? Learn game? Deal drugs? Get a high-paying job? Get off the internet? Spend more time on the internet?
You tell me.
Book Guy: Once again, it's hard to tell to what extent you're compaining about not seeing hot women or just not meeting them and "having access" to them. What's the point of seeing them, you ask? Well, they're more fun to look at and be around than homely women. I consider it a pleasure hanging out in one of these bars I've described, not a torture. It really sounds as though, by giving up on the smallest rewards and finding nothing but pain in any situation that doesn't provide "ready access", you're painting yourelf into corner where strip clubs are your only option. That's the kind of tunnel vision I think we all settle into at times, when we think in terms of travelling to a strip club that has "a great llineup of lookers". Chances are, there's a regular bar nearby that would put them to shame on looks alone.
Sorry man, but your posts are serious downers. You seem like you are complaining about not being able to meet hot women, and that the strip club is the only place that you can meet hot enough women for you. I don't know where you are looking, but you should try places that are differant from where you are going now other than the club. Yes, it's harder than in a club, but the reward is you have a MUCH better chance of having any kind of relationship outside of stripper-customer.
I also agree with Chandler that there are a lot more really good lookin women outside strip clubs than there are inside,,but there are also a lot more funglies outside too, there are just a lot more women period. Which is why I inferred from his question that he was talking averages.
I also agree with AN that attitude is an important part of being attractive, I don't think you can separate looks from personality. For example, my ATF would be pretty average looking if she walked around with stooped shoulders and a long face. But with her positive and upbeat attitude, her big smile, her self-confidant and outgoing manner, her graceful movements, and her glowing and friendly personality, she becomes really beautiful. I've met a lot of women who at first appeared to be attractive until they moved or opened their mouths, and suddenly they weren't. Personality is a big part of my definition of beauty.
I agree with AN that cute and sexy looks count for more in strip clubs than pure beauty. However, I could easily find more and better cute and/or sexy looks also in the same bars I've been talking about. I go to strip clubs for other advantages that they offer.
I agree about size being the paramount consideration for breasts, and we've talked about this before. I'd rather see small and natural than large and botched, but I still think that the best boob jobs even though they don't look natural (mostly because of the size and lack of droopiness and the girl is far too lean to have that size boobs) can make a girl look sexy and/or hot. Think of it as an artists rendition of the platonic ideal of the female breast.
I was a little apprehensive that you were detouring off to whether looks are as important as personality. That's an entirely different topic as far as I'm concerned, so I'm glad we're not going there afterall.
I do have an issue or two about types of attractiveness. A big problem for me with the selection of girls in strip clubs concerns tits. Even in the best clubs, a lot of girls I consider totally unattractive apparently make the cut because they have big tits. That's not at all important for me. If anything, I prefer them small. Big tits often come with a fat ass, flabby thighs, a pudgy face and other features that are not nice. And that's not to mention strippers who look worse for having a bad boob job. I really think the bigger-is-better mentality warps the selection, and if it were cast aside, that alone might make a big difference in my view of stippers' looks.
Also, I do focus primarily on the face in evaluating a girl's looks, so I am more readily impressed by what I see in regular bars. However, a face I find hot usually comes with a hot body. I don't often see the wide face/body ratings split that others are so concerned about. I guess I view attractiveness as an overall attribute. And not to get all Wilt Chamberlain on you, but I've seen enough women clothed and unclothed that I feel I can judge their bodies a lot more reliably than some here seem to think can be expected. Of course, it's more fun to judge them naked.
And Book Guy, no matter how sorry the sights you've seen may be, any mid-size city must have some hip clubs that draw in all the hottest pussy in the region to come in dressed to kill on prime nights. There are about ten of them clustered within three blocks of my office. Then, when I walk the mile between work and home, I pass directly through a college campus and close by two or three other colleges. So it's my luck (or curse) that I see babes all the time just going about my business. In your case, you might need to seek out the hot spots with a little more effort than checking out your co-workers and stolling through the downtown mall.
Make any sense at all?
Upon further review (I'm getting mentally ready for football season), it occurs to me that we have to get back to our old discussion about the relative merits of face, body and personality to answer the original question. And while, as you point out, we all probably have minimum standards of acceptability for body, face and personality, those minimums are going to differ a great deal from person to person.
For example, my minimum acceptable hurdle for body is quite a bit higher than my hurdle for either face or personality, because that's what I go to strip clubs for, to see beautiful naked bodies. I can see pretty faces anywhere and I can find nice personalities lots of places. But strip clubs are the only place where I can see a bunch of attractive naked bodies. And I like a girl to appear to be fit, if she doesn't look pretty fit I'm not interested, regardless of how wonderful her personality is or how pretty her face is.
So if we're going to talk about who is more attractive, the average girl on the street or the average stripper, I'm going to place most of my emphasis on the body as my measure of "attractive." And for their ages I think the two groups are about equal, although I will admit that I haven't seen many young non-strippers naked, except at the beach. And there's probably a strong self-selection process there too, eg. only the best bodies are likely to wear revealing bikinis. Which is fine with me.
So bottom line, we don't really have any way of knowing the answer to the question. We must all do much more research.
If we apply those classifications to the general public of women vs. strippers, non-strippers might have a higher portion of cute and beautiful women but maybe strip clubs have a higher percentage of sexy and hot ones. I say that because to me cute and beautiful are mostly natural traits while sexy and hot are more learned behavior, and strippers have more of a need and opportunity to learn that behavior.
Actually I'm not too sure what the difference is between hot and sexy. Maybe sexy implies a little innocence while hot implies more down and dirty? When I think of sexy I think of playful and flirtatious, while the hot girl is much more (or less) than that.
Second, I'd say, I don't initially agree with the received wisdom, that "real life" girls are generally as hot as, if not hotter than, strippers. For me, I just don't ever get the CHANCE TO INTERACT with anyone who is "hot enough" to be a stripper at all.
Let's define terms. I guess I don't mean "hot enough to be a stripper" since there are, sure, plenty of ugly strippers. I guess I mean, not to DESERVE to be a stripper. There are some scary hags who work as strippers, but we all agree that "they shouldn't be stripping," I think. Aside from them, plenty of strippers, I can categorically say, fit within the group of people who are super-hot. And no office workers that I have ever interacted with fit within the group of people who are super-hot. So, my definition of "hot enough to be strippers" is, albeit subjective to me, nevertheless a very high sort of level of appearance that strippers DO attain and civilian women DO NOT.
Add to that, the fact that women can genuinely improve their appearance a few notches through the intelligent application of fashionable hairstyle and makeup, and concealing or revealing clothing. One thing, I'm sure we all know, that strippers have, is a BODY THAT NEED NOT BE CONCEALED. Many many women in the "real world" are quite attractive when viewed in their normal civilian outfit. I would, I think, nevertheless be appalled to have to look at them in a g-string. The minimal level of body-fat necessary to be able to, ahem, "pull off" wearing a g-string and high heels, and nothing else, is extremely rare in our culture. Here in Mississippi, even the college girls have turned to obesity, to the point that a "natural" body of a 15-year-old is not usually attractive to me. A usual 15-year-old, as I remember it from my own High School days, would have been hot enough (simply in terms of the skinniness); but even that has been eclipsed, at least where I live now. Bellies sway below belt buckles, linebacker shoulders carry wide dorsal rafts.
There are also a large number of college girls (for example, on "Wild On" and "Girls Gone Wild") who are hot enough to be strippers. Whether or not they DO strip is a different question. But their age makes them have a girlie, childish, unappealing attitude, for me. In fact, watching "Girls Gone Wild" type shows, whether a half-hour on TV or just as trailers on the internet, fills me with annoyance, FRUSTRATION about the women. There these hot girls are, NOT letting me fondle them, NOT giving me blow-jobs. Why would I want to see that? I don't need a reminder that I'm lonely.
So, all that palaver having been dealt with, I ask myself: why do other dudes think that civilian women are so hot? Are they unable to recognize the bulging fat bellies and thighs, through all those carefully tailored business suits? Do they have an unreasonable sense of charity for women who have "normal" outlooks? Or am I the one who is an idiot, and can't see the hotties walking about me everywhere? Or maybe, am I in a group of people who just aren't all that attractive? Maybe men who live in non-obese places (Iceland?), or in major cities known for their glitz and glamour -- Vegas, LA -- have a leg up on the rest of us. But then again, maybe strippers in those towns are mostly girls who had almost enough looks to become celebrities but didn't, quite, make it; this would again make the strippers super-hot, wouldn't it?
I think back to my recent forays out of the house. I was in downtown Memphis, at the Peabody mall recently, and at the baseball game nearby. I saw some hot women, but each had what I would have to call a "not good enough to be a stripper" body. There were floppy tits (too many kids) and probably C-section scars; there were fat thighs, or half-and-half bodies (you know; the lower half comes from a voluptuous Marilyn type; the upper half comes from a waiflike Twiggy type); and there were a LOT of wedding rings, which for me means, if nothing else, they are not accessible.
No, I guess I COULD try to be the dude who breaks up a marriage, but I don't really see that I'm going to be skilled enough to do that. Heck, I can't even pick up single girls, why would I deliberately laden myself with extra challenges?
And accessibility is what I'm really talking about. The opportunity to talk with them, cuddle with them, then engage in at least SOME kind of intimacy with them.
If I genuinely felt like CIVILIAN non-stripper women who were "hot enough to be strippers" were "accessible" in that way to me, do you think I'd be in a strip club trying to find them? No no no. And I'd rename it, "hot enough to be my girlfriend" rather than "hot enough to be a stripper" and then I'd just be saying something obvious: that many strippers are hot enough to turn me on. If civilian non-stripper women were, as well, hot enough to turn me on, well then why would I ever go to a strip club?
I dunno. I'm sensing I'm in the minority here. I'd be delighted if someone could disabuse me of my misapprehension, by convincing me somehow that the civilian hotties were out there, were accessible to me, and were therefore worth my effort. If I ever learn otherwise, I'll certainly let others know. I grasp at straws. There's one girl, maybe two, around here, who could pull it off by pullin' it off. But remember that there's the definite possibility she's hiding something. I've seen the fattie strippers leave the club in their civilian outfits and I've been stunned by how attractive they suddenly became, their giant bellies swathed in dangling patches of blouse, their waggling asses, formerly so cellulite you could light a match on them, now packed tight into now-appealing jeans. "Thank goodness I didn't meet her at a dance club and take her home!" I think to myself, "What a come-uppance it would have been when I finally got her naked!" I see so many potentially hot civilian girls, and I realize that for every one, that come-uppance is a possibility.
I've never really approached the boy-girl game from a sense of plenty; the pickins' is slim and that very much disappoints me. In fact, I have spent times in my life resentful of women who "allow" themselves to gain weight or get unattractive out of my own selfish sense, that I ought to have a right to more viable dating options and they were proactively limiting my options. I certainly can't really defend that position ethically or even logically, but it does sometimes sneak in to my thinking by the back door and sit around for a while before I try to purge it again.
Stippers? Well, the ones who are "hot enough to be strippers" are, redundantly, hot enough. There are some ugly ones, let's just forget about them. But the others, the "real" ones? They're hotter than any of the civilian girls I've ever met. That, or I haven't seen the strippers in the cold harsh light of day. But I remind the board, that they haven't seen the civvies naked either.
I've seen a few very pretty strippers. However I've seen quite a number of very pretty girls not working in a strip club.
I agree that strippers are pretty average for their age group. I've seen plenty of both strippers and (presumably) non-strippers who were really hot and plenty of both who weren't. But then I only really look at the good looking ones in either group, and it's more fun to look at them when they are naked. So I generally prefer to look at strippers. I think it's harder (no pun intended) for a girl to look good naked than with clothes on.
Chandler, when you talk about strippers being "accessible" as compared to women one meets in other venues, I read "accessible" as "naked."
They would also have worse personalities, be below average intelligence, have less education, more psychological issues, more drug problems, have far less class, and have worse ethics. But we are getting a bit sidetrack if you want to go down that road.
It's strange to me, the difference. You can see SO many attractive women merely by looking around and walking about a big city or by looking around at a strip club. (By the way, we don't have a downtown mall here. We basically don't have a mall here. We certainly don't have ten clubs. We used to have one, but it just closed. Maybe that's the root of my problem.) But then, when you mentally consider your own extended group of acquaintances, colleagues, and other "links" that would legitimately provide for the opportunity of dating, you end up with such a poor selection. There are hot women who EXIST, sure, but what good does it do us to know about them when we don't actually know them as friends, dating partners? What's the POINT of simply SEEING them?
That's what my situation is like. I'll agree, that you can look around on the sidewalks of a major city and see attractive women. Whether or not the total mean distribution with a standard deviation from the upper percentiles compares favorably to the same sample taken from strip clubs, I guess we can continue to argue. But I don't KNOW the hot women who walk along the sidewalks. Nor do my friends. Nor do my friends friends. I tried to work it out, in a previous thread: I have actually spoken, in a conversation, outside of my fantasies and dreams and not in a strip club, with six or fewer "hot enough" women in my life. "Hot enough" that I would want them to be my girlfriend. Six, I think, outside of strip clubs.
I guess that's my only point, that strip clubs give me ACCESS to women who are hot enough. I don't believe for a minute that just "getting out there" onto the sidewalks of a bigger city would change my perception of this situation. I've lived in bigger cities, and although I don't live in one right now (that will be changing! I hope!), I never experienced "ready access" to ANY female who was "hot enough" EVER. Why would that change magically? How many of you believe that merely by asking a hot woman out, you'll get a date with her? That's never happened for me. In fact, I'd go so far as to say, that exactly the thing which prevents women from "ending up" dating me, is the very fact that I ASK. If I play it "cool" (somehow. I don't know how) then it might "just happen," but if I ASK, I get a "no."
Maybe I just "ain't got game." If I did, I'd think that strip clubs were a waste of time because there were women who were just as hot, but a lot less expensive, and probably a lot more emotionally balanced, waiting for me at one of the ten dance clubs next door to my apartment. I guess, if I had Armani suits, Ferrari cars, free time, a cool glib gift of the gab, and several rental properties that gave me passive income, maybe I'd believe that options in real life existed.
I don't currently believe that the options do for me, or for MOST men. Otherwise strip clubs wouldn't make money. Most men who patronize clubs agree with me -- that is THE ONLY PLACE to get access to women who are hot enough.
And I don't mean, perfect women. I only mean, HOT ENOUGH. Bare minimum. Boy, I've already lowered my standards a LOT from back when I was in High School. I'll settle for someone who isn't obese, and who knows not to pick her nose in public. I don't meet those humans in real life. I only meet them in strip clubs.