Clueless or SS?

Actually, it's a 50/50 thing. The strippers that don't give extras hate the ones that do, and they rat out the extras girls.

It is possible she is in the dark if you were at a Phx club. The girls are more cautious and the ones giving extras probably do not go around flaunting it.

I would guess that she more than likely KNOWS, but perhaps doesn't want to admit to knowing. Perhaps that is her own personal limit. If Sex indeed happens in this club, I would surely think you could find another Dancer to meet your need for VIP relief.

dammit, lol.

If a girl is giving extras, all the other girls in the club know it. I don't care for confrontations with other strippers, but I have seen a group of girls gang up on a dancer who was letting a customer finger her, etc, in the VIP and she never came back.

"but I have seen a group of girls gang up on a dancer who was letting a customer finger her, etc, in the VIP and she never came back"

I hope it was just a verbal confrontation & not a physical assault.

It was just verbal. I've seen worse. The girls at that club just lectured her firmly and told her to take her business outside the club. The girls at another club utterly fucked a dancer up because she was giving extras.

Tell me the names of the clubs so I will never go.....if a club don't give me extras daddy don't pay : ))

That was just night shift. Not sure what goes on during day shift. I'd rather not give out club names in a negative light, though I did write one bad review, lol.

What dancers know about the other dancers is subject to how many dancers are involved. In a big club with 100 dancers working a shift, it is doubtful that few of them even know each other by name. In a small club with 20 dancers working, they know who is is doing what drug, who is in jail and who is doing extras.

That's probably true, shadow. I think the highest number of dancers at a club *I've* personally worked at was probably about sixty. The clubs I'm referring to have maybe 20, 30 girls between night and day shift. The way the "extras" girls are usually found out is because some customer they serviced starts bragging about it. I had some idiot try and get me to join his escort service and he tried to break down my defenses by stating that another girl in the club worked for him. He even named her. Wtf is that?

if customers keep their mouth shut about extras then the other girls don't know. have had several dancers tell me not to talk about what happens in VIP. on the other hand, have had dancers that I barely knew sit with me and give the low down on each dancer as they walked by.

Wait -- what?!? Guys brag about receiving *special* attention??? What ever happened to chivalry?!

Sometimes girls talk about their conquests in the back, too. Unless it's a huge club, like shadow was saying, the other dancers *will* know, or at least a percentage of them.

As Art stated in another thread, in Toronto it's all out in the open.

But my most acute experience was at Bogart's. I got a regular lapper with a gal. No sooner did it end than another gal, who msut've seen I hadn't been getting serviced, hopped onto my lap to pitch me. Come to think of it, that happened twice with two different gals.

"It was just verbal. I've seen worse. The girls at that club just lectured her firmly and told her to take her business outside the club. The girls at another club utterly fucked a dancer up because she was giving extras."

Did anything happen to the John? It's not a one way street you know, if these girls have a problem, they should be complaining to the VIP manager, bouncer, etc. And let them deal with the dancer and customer. Your house fees and tips aren't going to these assholes to sit on thier ass!

To my knowledge, no, nothing happened to him. Nothing ever happens to those guys. It's the girls who get punished. Sometimes the bouncers just don't care so the other dancers take matters into their own hands.

Personally, I'd pull each of them aside, set them in the office, seperate them if possible, get thier IDs, and make them wait an hour for the GM, checking on them periodically, ask if they need water, then when then the GM arrives have him talk to each of them and give them a verbal warning if it's a first offense, and call an officer on any subsequent offenses or if either party becomes disruptive. That should put an end to that shit while also remaining discrete.

Idk if that would drive business away, though, holding the customer responsible (though he should be). What happens is that the names of the girls providing extras eventually reach the manager -- that's what's happening in the club I'm at now and the club I was at previously. So the manager does an overhaul of the club by firing aforementioned girls and lecturing the others. That's what happened to us. Customers weren't involved; the extras girls were just given the boot as a warning to everyone else.

Oh it will! But the ones I've seen get heavy handed about it make up for it by having a large number of better quality dancers, being lenient on everything up to dicks getting whipped out, doing a lot of advertising, and both attract a larger crowd of diverse people and couples, which may or may not be related. But yeah I'm sure it will cost you, but I've seen both a club primarily for regulars and one for parties or one-nighters both have success without putting up with violence or extras. Both are fairly linient on drugs which is kind of funny, too.

Doc - for a guy with no reviews, you sure have a lot of opinions. I gotta wonder where your so called information comes from. No club is going to hold a customer responsible and they damn sure would never bring LE into it for such an incident.

Oh I don't trust the clubs, or the cops for that matter, 100%. Whose to say just because cops are in the club now and managers are doing thier job, things won't change down the road when the cops frequent another place and the management changes hands? I like these clubs, but I don't trust them entirely. Things change. I was mostly speaking hypothetically if I ran a club.

I guess I could write a review or two. I want to write reviews about the clubs I like, I'd like to advertise for them. But judging from this board, the merit of a club is based on the extras and I don't care about extras, so my reviews wouldn't be of any use anways. I have no proof of extras, just guys and or girls I've seen removed from clubs and the dancers/customers stories I hear. I take that back! I have seen a penis exposed in a club, and it has people backing it up here, but there's no need for me to support it with a review.

off duty cops btw, it's not like police officers are lining the walls like storm troopers or anything.

and my own penis was exposed/handled twice by ambitious hookers, but again I'm not going to support these clubs or the con artists looking for quick ben.

OTP stick shifting? did she grab your cock through your pants! say it

huh? Isn't OTP = outside the pants?

CTQWERTY, once again more reasons to move to toronto!

I don't know what to think of this EarlTee. If you've got 100+ on shift, she wouldn't have known that most girls do extras. If its 30 dancers, she probably knows. I've worked at non extras clubs where girls that did them got in trouble. I've worked at extras clubs where girls that didn't do them couldn't stomach it and left. How much did you offer her? If it is, in fact, an extras club where 90% of girls do them, she might be testing you. She might want you to up your price. Idk

Stiletto: This is a place with 30 on shift. I offered her the going rate for the Phoenix area. We all know there's some number that would have swayed her, but I'm not going to contribute to that inflation.

You cheap bastard.

Lol

I am shocked and dismayed to hear of clubs where extras are offered. I would never frequent such establishments, and I am glad that such behavior is not tolerated here in Detroit.

^^^^^^

Yes, Jack, I agree. I am always delighted to visit Detroit clubs for a sedate SC experience. It is such a pleasant change from all the debauchery one sees in clubs in the Toronto area.

Yeah, but Toronto doesn't count with my gripe, really. Prostitution is legal but unregulated in Ontario. It would be nice if it were regulated, like NV or Mexico. My beef is with exploitation which runs rampant where illegal prostitution is looked over. I would say most dancers who start off waiting tables at a SC know they will dance and they want to, but not many will know they'll be downing a fat man's cock to pay rent by the time it's over.

@OhioVoyeur:

Thanks for the heads up about the Columbus SC scene. I shall make a point of keeping my chaste self out of those disgustingly raunchy clubs in your town.

ROFL @ a lot of this thread; I find especially hilarious, the idea that a stripper letting a customer finger her pussy would be defined as a stripper doing "extras."

"Pussy fingering" is definetly an extra. If a woman is letting you put something of yours inside of her, it is an extra. It's an intimate part of her body. State law says its not in her job description, it is an extra. If she.decides she wants it to be a part of her job, good for her, no problems here, but the idea that Book Guy thinks putting his fingers inside a woman's body isn't an extra is quite arrogant.

But maybe Book Guy's state includes 'non-penis penetration' in the job description?

Also I want to say I like the term extra. Extra-legal activities! That's what I do every time roll up a joint!

Hehe..quit smoking pot.

Your SPOT ON Stiletto25! Good for you.