Planning Monger's Trip to Detroit, request advice
Book Guy
I write it like I mean it, but mostly they just want my money.
Y'all recently gave recommendations for a mongering trip (-- http://www.tuscl.net/dt.php?DID=131769 --). I sought cheapish airfare; crappy hotel or motel near clubs; really hot young women in the clubs; who are willing to provide high-service activities at decent prices; with fairly easy travel to and from clubs, hotel, and airport, either by taxi or rental car (but I'd have to forego drinking). Balancing all these things out, Detroit it is!
But a few "must-visit" clubs in Detroit are miles apart. I had hoped not to get a rental car, in order to save a bit of money, time, and annoyance; and in order to be able to drink alcohol. Now I'm seeing that Penthouse is really going to have to be on my list of must-visits; while another line-up of must-visit clubs near the airport (Bogarts, Flight Club, Henry VIII) are far enough away from Penthouse that I can't walk from the hotel.
No tour of Ford, no visit to the Renaissance center, etc., all time can be focused on clubbing. I want one, if not two, days devoted to inebriation (mild-buzz retained for several hours straight) and that SHOULD preclude driving a car (rental or not!). I want to be able to get to the top-level of SERVICE of clubs, not necessarily the "glitzy" or "bachelor party center" clubs: the goal is hot hot hot young sweet thangs whom I can first visually scope out, then flirt with 'em, THEN if a girl and I end up developing "click" and I have sufficient horniness, I'll go for high-service at proper price. I'd like to keep the prices down, of course; but cost cannot always be traded off for hotness in purely mathematical fashion, it's a subjective thing.
Given the above restrictions, would Detroit-dudes let me know about in-city travel, whether by cab or by rental car? Is a Penthouse run by taxi from the Bogarts zone reasonable? Should I rely on rental car and curb the drinking? Are there other locations I should consider? Which days / nights of arrival / departure might be better?
Or should I go to Montreal or Vancouver instead? :P
Thanks!
But a few "must-visit" clubs in Detroit are miles apart. I had hoped not to get a rental car, in order to save a bit of money, time, and annoyance; and in order to be able to drink alcohol. Now I'm seeing that Penthouse is really going to have to be on my list of must-visits; while another line-up of must-visit clubs near the airport (Bogarts, Flight Club, Henry VIII) are far enough away from Penthouse that I can't walk from the hotel.
No tour of Ford, no visit to the Renaissance center, etc., all time can be focused on clubbing. I want one, if not two, days devoted to inebriation (mild-buzz retained for several hours straight) and that SHOULD preclude driving a car (rental or not!). I want to be able to get to the top-level of SERVICE of clubs, not necessarily the "glitzy" or "bachelor party center" clubs: the goal is hot hot hot young sweet thangs whom I can first visually scope out, then flirt with 'em, THEN if a girl and I end up developing "click" and I have sufficient horniness, I'll go for high-service at proper price. I'd like to keep the prices down, of course; but cost cannot always be traded off for hotness in purely mathematical fashion, it's a subjective thing.
Given the above restrictions, would Detroit-dudes let me know about in-city travel, whether by cab or by rental car? Is a Penthouse run by taxi from the Bogarts zone reasonable? Should I rely on rental car and curb the drinking? Are there other locations I should consider? Which days / nights of arrival / departure might be better?
Or should I go to Montreal or Vancouver instead? :P
Thanks!
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F.e., depart on Thursday mid-day, arrive Detroit late afternoon or early evening; monger Thursday night; all day and night Friday; all day and night Saturday; depart mid-day Sunday. Or, f. another e., depart on Saturday mid-day; arrive Detroit late afternoon or early evening; monger Saturday night; all day Sunday (?); all day Monday; all afternoon Tuesday; depart late Tuesday evening.
Bogarts and Flight Club are right down the street from each other about a 2 minute drive or 5 minute walk. Flight Club is a carbon copy of Penthouse in terms of structure but I did enjoy Penthouse more than Flight Club because of their hotter dancers.
Bogarts and Penthouse are about 12 miles apart. Penthouse and FC are $15 cover on the weekends after 7pm but free before 7pm. Mandatory valet $7 at both FC and PH.
EVERY Detroit club is going to bleed you some, whether it be by mandatory valet, cover, higher drink prices (than most parts of the country), a VIP fee or VIP wristband fee. Given that Detroit clubs are a mixed bag as far as dancer talent/attractiveness/extras go, you may well find yourself bouncing from one club to another. By all means, if you've paid cover once say for dayshift, get a pass to come back for night shift to defray that charge. Visit some club websites to print out free cover passes (Coliseum and Landing Strip and maybe Hustler will have them -- many competitors will honor them.)<p>
In my opinion, there are two must knows to frame the experience around:<p>
1) Penthouse Club dayshift is #1. Nightshift? overrated = too many bachelor parties/guys night out and strippers in their 30s supporting 2+ kids. Penthouse does not charge gals per song for the use of their VIP dance areas. So a gal can cut you a multi-song deal (like my unlimited time - wound up being 35 minutes -for $150 experience, with $20 tip to the VIP bouncer up front.)<p>
2) Henry's South: the surest thing with the cheapest upfront prices (50/100/150) from the dancers. It's a dive bar in a good area, does have some attractive dancers but several who are over the hill. After getting quoted 300 and 800 at Hustler, such as one TUSCLer did last night, well, you now know where the prices are much more reasonable. Always keep this info in mind for any dancer who starts you off 'nice and high'.<p>
As far as housing goes, there are many drabby, run-down motels along Michigan Ave. near Bogart's and Flight Club. But they charge within $10 of what you can get the Marriott at DTW for through Priceline's Name Your Own Price. Choose the Marriott! I've heard intel from the Bogart's/Flight Club dancers such that those strip motels should be avoided.<p>
Last, read my article on Detroit for additional intel. Pay particular attention to the very last line!<p>
As for Vancouver as a SC destination? Are you nuts? Vancouver is my favourite city in the world but the Vancouver SC scene plays NO part in the city's appeal for me.
Montreal's SC culture? I know absolutely nothing about it.
I reiterate, north to Toronto and its suburbs.
Vancouver sounds similar to Columbus with clubs trying $50/song dances and $100/song for feature dancers.
How do the Toronto clubs make their money if there is no cover, no valet, or no VIP charge?
I'm disappointed at the travel arrangements. It's looking like, more and more, there's going to have to be a rental car involved. I will have to take care about drinking, given the Detroit Police procedures mentioned in this thread. ("DEE troit POE leece.")
Thanks for the hundreds of other tid-bits. Bonus thanks to CTQWERTY, and, I'm going to go read your article now. PM might be forthcoming soon. :)
Vancouver was a joke, in terms of strip clubs. But the escorting scene is awesome there, as far as I've heard. Montreal isn't so excellent for high-service strip clubs but the places in more rural Province Quebec between Montreal and the US / Cd border are explicitly high-service brothels masquerading as strip clubs. Those places arise and disappear all over the continent; it's just a trick to find out where. For a while northern Miami / West Palm Beach was the place in the USA; looks like Detroit is tending that way; East Saint Louis is entirely a different ballgame (poverty and desperation and lack of policing, right next door to a major urban area with normal urban share of middle-class and well-paid office worker males) but with comparable results. San Francisco, LA, Vegas, New Jersey, Baltimore, Tampa, and Oregon all have vibrant strip club "scenes" in the sense that there's a lot of adult entertainment cash being spent by males on females; but that doesn't mean that the cash is getting good service, or high service experiences, or even getting lap dances. Tampa is in some ways "adult entertainment central" for the whole USA but the REAL fucking and sucking in that city often are not in the strip clubs (there are noteworthy exceptions), because the places called "lingerie modeling studios" are where that particular jurisdiction has decided to relegate such activity. Vancouver, similarly, has such good escorting that the strip clubbing falls by the wayside.
Hmm, other cities? Maybe Detroit it ISN'T? The world is my oyster. It's looking more and more like I'll fly on Sunday May 8 or Monday May 9, as early as possible in the morning, to arrive that day in a major USA monger's paradise city; and that I will return to my home, mid-day or later, on Thursday May 12, or even a dawn flight Friday May 13. I have MUST MUST commitments Friday afternoon and wouldn't want to cut it close.
@ samsung1: thanks for the quick reply! :)
Rental car is the way to go. I stay at the Westin in Southfield. It's a higher end hotel about 5-10 minutes from Penthouse by car.
I never go anywhere else but Penthouse and Flight Club. Bogarts and Henry VIII are trashier than PH and FC. The talent is lower quality. The only reason to visit Bogarts and Henry VIII is to save a few $. Since this is a special occasion I would stick to Penthouse and Flight Club. You get what you pay for.
The dayshift/nightshirt argument that Detroit people talk about is only relevant on weekdays. On weekdays, the hotter, younger girls work the dayshift before going to night school or whatever. On the weekends I find nightshifts better.
My Detroit weekend starts like this.
Friday afternoon go to Flight Club where the you will get the last of the business travelers spending time before going to the airport.
Friday night drive to Penthouse Club where most of the top talent is. It's about a 20-30 minute drive from FC. I hang out the rest of the night here. Then it's a 5-10 minute drive back to my hotel.
Saturday. I usually start out at PH when it opens. Then I check out FC after a few hours. And then back to Penthouse at night. Again, then 5-10 minutes to my hotel. Saturday you could also check out Bogarts and Henry VIII just fit shits and giggles
Sunday afternoon I spent at PH before heading home.
Below is the dancer hotness scale.
1. Penthouse
2. Flight Club
3. Hustler (distant third)
4. Bogarts/Henry VIII (distant fourth)
As I wrote above, I would stick to PH and FC unless money is your #1 concern.
Travel Cost:
Montreal airfare and hotels are much higher than Detroit.
Montreal cabs are cheap and plentiful. No need for rental car.
Clubs are close by each other in Mtl. Can walk to some from most hotels.
Club Cost.
Lower cover in Mtl. Around $10 + $2 bouncer tip
Detroit cover charge is around $17 total ($10 + $7 valet)
Mtl dances are cheaper. $10-$15/song.
Detroit dances $20-$25/song
Mileage
Mtl Is limited to some stick shifting. Escorts are more available though.
Detroit extras are very common in all clubs.
Dancer Hotness
The high quality clubs are Kamasutra in Mtl and Penthouse in Detroit. I find the Kamasutra to be slightly above PH for dancer hotness
City
Fuck, Mtl is a cosmopolitan city with a lot of stuff to do. Great restaurants, culture, etc Detroit is crap.
Still though, for a pure clubbing weekend I vote for Detroit. The mix if dancer quality and mileage is unmatched.
A few new scheduling developments just took place in my life, and it looks like I'm on goldurned HOLD for Detroit again.
Again, apologies to all who contributed or hoped to monger-meet. It will happen some day, I promise! :) For now, if any of y'all come to New Orleans, let me know, and I'll do double-duty to share info and tour-guiding and hosting, as best I can.
Sorry again. :(