Surveillence Cameras at the Club

17 comments

• troop

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  14 years ago

  i do not like the cameras! i will not buy a dance in most clubs if i know there is a camera monitoring the dance area! besides that camera's ability to cut down on the dance/action that you receive there is a very real possibility that the video can be used for personal viewing by employees or end up online. there is too much intrusion into our private lives and even though it's harder and harder to find, i want and expect privacy whereever i may be.
• shadowcat

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  14 years ago

  Funny, I was just thinking about this today and came up with the following info from the internet. Thirteen states of the USA have been highly explicit about the legality of hidden cameras. These states are Alabama, Arkansas, California, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Kansas, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, South Dakota, and Utah. According to the laws in these states, it is a crime punishable by law to install or use any device to photograph, observe or eavesdrop - whether by video or audio only - in any "private" place, without express consent or authorization of those being observed or listened to. However, note here that the definitions of "expected privacy" and "permission" are highly vague. The controversy about "permission" has come up in frequent debates, especially when rape cases are called into discussion. "Expected" is an obviously vague term, as no one is clear about whose expectations are involved here. This vagueness allows hidden cameras to be used in impunity for all sorts of purposes, whether legally or illegally, as long as one is clever and has a good lawyer. From my own experience I know that there are 5 cameras in my favorite club. One on the parking lot. The other 4 on the main room of the club. There are none in the couch dance rooms. The monitors for these cameras are in the managers office. The dancers all have to check in there, so they know that they are not being watched in the lap dance or Champagne rooms. I have been told by one dancer that if cameras are in use they have to advise the employees and customers of this. This may or may not be true. The greater threat comes from other dancers ratting on their coworkers. They do not want to compete. Dancers caught doing extras are suspended for a month or longer. As for the customers. I know of two that have gotten caught. No action was taken on them by the club.They didn't even get talked to. To my way of thinking. Dancers doing extras is good for business. So why put themselves in the position of knowing what is going on in the back rooms. The owners defense is ignorance and a damn good lawyer. Read more: [view link] Under Creative Commons License: Attribution No Derivatives
• inno123

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  14 years ago

  I guess the big question is whether a VIP room consists of a location where there is an expectation of privacy. Before you scream 'of course!' do you expect that the bouncer can peek in to insure that the rules are being followed? If the answer to that question is yes then it is not a place with an expection of privacy! Of course a system that recorded and held images of dancers for a long time or uploaded them to the internet is a clear violation. But if the purpose of the system is to help protect the dancers from violent or abusive patrons that would be better than the bouncers playing peeking tom.
• DandyDan

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  14 years ago

  I know that if I go to my #1 club, the cameras they got in the champagne rooms are basically for show on the off chance police might stop in. Supposedly, they got a code so that the dancers know when a cop is around, because one time in the champagne room, I was told once I wasn't getting much because a cop was around. On the other hand, at my #2 and #3 clubs, and some other ones as well, they take surveillance seriously there because I've done some stupid rule violation there (can't spank the ass), and they've come in on us. You've got to know your club beforehand to know what to expect.
• Clubber

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  14 years ago

  I think the best way (It works for me.) is to get to know the bartender well. She knows more about the club operation then the managers, since they came and go and she stays. Always good info from her. However, building that relationship takes time.
• troop

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  14 years ago

  clubber, that might work for you in your clubs, but at most of the clubs i go to it seems that there's a high turnover of bartenders just like dancers, here today gone tomorrow.
• samsung1

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  14 years ago

  I have also heard the cameras are there to keep track of dance count. Too many situations occur where dancers claim you did 6 dances but customer claims only 4 dances. If someone was watching on camera, they would have the accurate count. Could just be SS though to assure me that mileage will not drop. I also read they use the cameras to fine the dancers. I read about it in a stripperweb stripper review for dreamgirls columbus.
• vincemichaels

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  14 years ago

  Well, at the Penthouse club in Detroit, the "bedrooms" at the back of the VIP area never have had the issue of dancers being afraid to take as much money from a guy's wallet to do whatever the customer desires. I wouldn't doubt there are cameras in the club. It never has stopped anyone to my knowledge. On a side note, there was a TV story up in Flint, Michigan a few days ago, about a club owner being caught by the dancers after he installed a camera in their dressing room. Good job, dancers. LOL
• dustyshoes

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  14 years ago

  At a club in southern wisconsin, they have cameras focused all around the club in the bubble like in a casino. In the LD area, there is one in each booth. They are hardly hidden because they have a ring of red LEDs around them. I know for a fact that they can be monitored in the dj booth, the entrance booth, and the manages office. The bartender is usually the manager, so info from them is probably useless. I don't know why they have them all, but they fine the dancers consistantly for violations of club rules, and there are many. Lately though the club seems to have been on a slow streak, so the bartender is the manager and dj, so probably the cameras are unmonitored.
• SuperDude

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  14 years ago

  Wear a jacket to the the VIP and hang it over the camera.
• georgmicrodong

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  14 years ago

  In the VIP room of one local club, there is a camera mounted on the ceiling. There is also a towel hung over a nearby rod so that the view of about half the room is blocked. The camera can see you coming into the room, but if you move the couch to the right spot, you won't be seen doing anything on it.
• rickdugan

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  14 years ago

  I am with troop on this - I have no interest in going into a lapdance/VIP area that has a camera. Not only due to any potential limitations in action, but because I do not want what action I do get to be recorded by any of the scumbags that own most of these clubs.
• farmerart

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  14 years ago

  I find this post troubling. I understand every objection listed in all posts and sympathize with them. I am a true libertarian and want restrictions on my actions to be minimal. But, personally, if I get the action I want in SCs I could care less if I, and whatever lady I am with, are subject to camera surveillance. I will not be wearing anything identifying my name and personal info. Because of my screwy personal life, I am invulnerable to blackmail and public scorn. If I am convicted of breaking any law, I would be subject to only a fine (in Canada). If law breaking consequences in US are worse (jail time), obviously I am full of shit. I expect to be jumped on because of this post.
• sanitago

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  14 years ago

  my favorite place has cameras, but they're all in the public areas, around the bar, in the stage room, but none in the VIP rooms. then again, they have a guy who marks the dancers in, and each room has a peephole like a front door in it so he can check up on you and make sure there's no "extras" going on so the cops can't land on the club with a charge of fostering prostitution. the dancers are free to bend the personal contact rules to a limited extent, but BJ's and anything like are off the table.
• sharkhunter

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  14 years ago

  I remember one dancer told me they would brighten the overhead lights if they wanted better lights for the cameras overhead. Besides cameras, there are other dancers who will report or accuse other dancers of things to get them fired. Why would a dancer try to get another dancer fired? Because she doesn't want to compete with a girl who is doing extras. Those dancers never think about all the extra customers who come into the club trying to find one dancer who is always busy or heard rumors that something was going on. I have heard a dancer say that she got another dancer fired because she wasn't going to compete with whatever one dancer was doing.
• gk

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  14 years ago

  Troop and Farmerart: I respect both your aswners. First, why should we patronie clubs that are obsessive about monitoring activities with cameras for the purpose of restricting our fun? If one can live with that, fine. But I think it's a bad business decision and prefer not to spend my money at those places. But I make lots of exceptions for various reasons but could never make a realy camera'd up club a regular stop. On the other had, if you know there are cameras and they don't care, just go and have as much fun as you can. But I always try to make sure that attitude hasn't changed before I lay too much on the line in those places.
• MisterGuy

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  14 years ago

  "These states are Alabama, Arkansas, California, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Kansas, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, South Dakota, and Utah. According to the laws in these states, it is a crime punishable by law to install or use any device to photograph, observe or eavesdrop - whether by video or audio only - in any 'private' place, without express consent or authorization of those being observed or listened to." Well, there's nothing worth watching going on in NH strip clubs anyway. Same thing in ME & UT as well I would guess.