Tipping a dollar to EVERY dancer who goes on stage

I have some sympathy for private dancer's somewhat incoherent rants. I was in business for 45 years and the bottom line was always my prime concern. I always tried to satisfy my customers but never at the expense of profitability. Private dancer just has to rationalize her customers' expectations with her personal business practices. Like private dancer I detested "tire kickers"; so I am in full agreement with her dislike of customers too cheap to cough up the dollar tip. However, private dancer must realize that her personal business practices might be different from her competitors'. The only way a customer is able to find the services he wishes to purchase is to ask. Private dancer must not take offense when customers ask these simple questions. "NO " is a perfectly adequate answer when asked for services not on her list of permitted options.

Sam, a different take...

"Beaniceguy" apparently wrote reviews for each of the 10 clubs he hit Saturday. Poor Founder was probably swamped with 60 reviews+ on the last intake and just greenlit everything. Hence your dubious find(s).

If I know, before I enter, that I will be expected to tip every dancer, whether she appeals to me or not, whether she dances for me or not, whether she's nice or rude, then I wont be going to that club. If that fact is made known tomme only after I enter, then I will be leaving as directly, without spending any more money.

A tip is a gratuity, not a fee. If you want to institute a fee for watching, then do so, and call it that, so people know what they're in for. Don't try to pass it off as a tip when it is no such thing.

I walked up to the stage and gave a girl $1. I was sitting with my fav. She gave me crap about it being ONLY a dollar. The manager heard all this and straightened her out PDQ. I say that if you aren't watching the dancers on stage then you don't owe them anything. Just like you don't tip every waitress in a restaurant, only the one who is serving you.

i just happened to read her comments before i even saw this thread which i instantly knew would be about her when i saw the thread title.

anyway, i have seen guys (i even know one) that just sit in a sc for hours nurturing one drink or maybe not even buying a single drink and just peeping and never tipping or spending any money. imo they need to loosen the grip on their wallet or get a life somewhere else. regarding the tipping of every single girl for every dance i totally disagree with her. i have no problem tipping a girl that i sat at the stage to watch or spent some time talking to or maybe because she's cute or i want to get her attention but a tip is an optional thing not an entitlement. if i was in that club and constanly hit up for tips by girls i didn't watch or had zero interest in i would leave and not go back. also something i have never seen written here at tuscl, it is in fact against the law in the state of ohio for a dancer to approach a customer and ask for money. sure it's a stupid law in some ways and it doesn't seem to be stricly enforced but someone that frequents that club and is tired of the tip hustle could report them.

Here's a different perspective - the customer is bound to pay no more than "contractually" obliged to with the SC. In other words, the customer makes an "agreement" with the club upon entering to pay the $10 entry fee and purchase the quantity of drinks (if any) stipulated. At that point, he has paid his minimum to sit in a chair and consume the basic SC product (which is to enjoy the view as he so chooses). He is not, however, entitled to lap dances, the VIP room, etc., without the requisite payments involved. If he chooses not to pay, then he'll receive no more than the basic SC experience and dancers are free to ignore him to focus on more profitable customers. Of course, it's socially appropriate, and perhaps expected, that he'll pony up by tipping the girls, buying a lap dance or two, and to be generous with the wait staff. But being socially inept or ignorant is not a crime, nor should the perpetrator be treated as a criminal or low life.

My thought is that it's a business's responsibility to define the minimum entrance criteria to use their services, realize there will be some customers at that level, and then treat them, as indeed all their customers, with respect and appreciating they're there. In other words, a business shouldn't invite a customer in and then treat him rudely or like they don't want them. That's a lose/lose - a loss for the customer and a loss for the business if that customer later complains to people like me on TUSCL who may opt out of patronizing that business down the road.

An analogy can be drawn to airlines and hotels. In both cases, they may choose to offer "basic services" for low "teaser" rates, "Priceline" deals, budget-priced package deals, etc. in an attempt to get that budget-conscious customer in the door. In all cases, there will be customers who've paid a higher price using the service at the same time, who may or may not receive a higher level of service. For example, think of the guy who bought an advance purchase airline coach-level ticket for cheaper than the walk-up customer sitting in the seat beside him - two different prices, same service. Conversely, there's a guy sitting in 1st Class getting free drinks and real silverware for a premium price, while the guy sitting in coach is munching his peanuts and drinking his Coke. All customers though, coach and 1st Class alike, receive the same basic treatment of flying from Point A to Point B. If the airline ridiculed the coach customer because he wasn't buying drinks or was unwilling to pay an upcharge to fly 1st class, that airline wouldn't last, or at the very least, would limp along on less revenue than it otherwise might get because people like me would read their reviews on sites like TripAdvisor.

ss1- My thoughts:

1. WTF kind of review is that- belongs on club db- not review section.

2. PM founder about dubious posts. I've done so on prior occasions- he does followup action on reported dubious reviews.

troop, I believe it is only against the law for a dancer to ask for tips if it is at a place that serves alcohol. It was a rule made by the liquor license agency and as you said it does not get enforced. I got this info from a SCL comments page for the club Dreamgirls (Columbus, OH):

The issue of dancers asking for tips in clubs with a liquor license needs to be reported to the Ohio Liquor Control Commission at: 77 South High Street, 18th Floor • Columbus, Ohio 43215 Phone: 614-466-3132 • Fax: 614-466-4564 Email: mailto:[email protected]

Personally I doubt the agency would do anything if they just got 1 single report...maybe if a dozen of reports were filed within a year or so they might step up and spend money doing an investigation. And I'm sure the violation is just a slap on the wrist.

Get that shit deleted.

I have never felt obligated to tip a dancer for a dance on stage or otherwise. I find it highly offensive for them to think I owe them a living. The ones I like I buy their time and company in the VIP. She's entitled to her opinion. Last time I checked, the First Amendment was still in force. Places in Florida are notorious for this behavior, I avoid clubs that think I am a money pit.

I'm gonna chime in here because this is one of my all time pet peeves. I've ben to a few places where they do "The Tip Stroll" after every set. A couple places in So. Florida come to mind. There better be some pretty hot women around for me to spend much time there.

There are very few things as annoying as trying to hold a conversation with some hotty while a bunch of women you didn't want to talk to in the first place and and never wanted to see dance are coming up to you every 6 minutes (3 min/song) going "can ah have ah dalla fo mah dance". NO! If I WANTED to tip you I'd have gone up to the "TIP RAIL"! I've even had them interrupt me while I was getting a table dance!?!

Presumably, in a club with low house fees and tip out, even the skankiest dancer in a crowded club can walk out with a couple hundred a night just on the tip stroll. How do we cull the herd? Where is the survival of the fittest, when some fatty with poor hygiene and no teeth can still make money?

Thank you all for listening, I'm done now.

Back in the mid 90's, I had a confrontation with a mountain of a bouncer in a New Orleans SC. The club, apparently, had a rule that you were supposed to tip every single dancer and a late 40's dancer wanted a buck from me. I told her no and she got the bouncer. I stopped him in his tracks with a look. I then left the club, even though granny proyested that she still wanted a buck.

It's simple. The club sets the rules. That means a cover charge and a drink minimum. Everything else is bonus.

At any rate the club this woman is talking about seems to be one to avoid at all costs. Air dances AND a tip stroll, PLUS dancers who think that's the way things should be??? Yeah right. I'm in a hurry to check this place out.

Ok, now I'm done.

Tipping is never mandatory

Everyone seems to be in agreement on this one. The dancer is way out of line with her expectation of what a tip means. A tip is a gratuity above and beyond the price of the service. Most of the guys on this board have been going to strip clubs for a long time and based on most reviews we all tip well but ONLY for a dancer we like. I purposefully do not tip ugly or overweight dancers because I do not want to encourage them to stay in this line of work. I tip and get dances from those girls who appeal to me. Each person has their own preferences and all but the really ugly girls will get their share of tips during their shift. I really dislike a dancer or anyone else in the service industry demanding a tip if I don't think the service warrants it. Also if I receive a good sensual lap dance I will usually tip above the normal price, but will NEVER tip if the dancer asks for one. You simply do NOT ask for tips, they are a show of appreciation given at the discretion of the customer. I too would never go to a club where a tip is required for each dancer. I have been to many clus over the years and that practice would not last if that strip club has any competition in the area.

I don't care for the "tip stroll", but, I am usually getting a dance within 30 minutes of arriving, and usually out the door within an hour and a half, so the most I am likely to spend on stroller tips is five or six bucks. Not a real big deal.

I admit that I feel guilty enabling girls who, for whatever reason, shouldn't be dancing. Sometimes I plan a trip to the head to correspond with the "stroll of a troll" who I find unworthy of even a dollar.

If a dancer is really unworthy of getting a $1 tip you can always sneak off to the bathroom when she gets off stage...the problem is when the entire crew of dancers are not worth the $1 tips you are better off just leaving.

samsung, why would you need to sneak to a bathroom? There is no law saying you have to tip a stripper. Do you feel like a criminal when you don't give a street vagrant change?

That was pretty rough.

Never been there, but having seen those reviews and the comments from the girl, I can guarantee I will never be there.

She is probably doing more damage than good by getting on here and arguing, while giving the club inflated ratings.

Like mmdv26 said, not a real big deal. Plus the couple clubs I go to that do have a dollar parade also have no cover, cheap drinks, cheap laps and no drink hustle so they win out on the cheapskate, er, I mean value scale.

steve229, it would be nice if private dancer strip club had no cover but it is $10 cover.

One really shouldn't have to tip dancers that are onstage whether they want to or not, especially if one didn't watch the stage show in the first place.

"tuscl.net" (who likely has the most reviews of anyone on here), Bones, Vegeta1on1, and samsung didn't like the place, and that's good enough for me: tuscl.net

Little strange an account that's "Last Seen: November 2008" is still churning out reviews in 2010. tuscl.net claims to be a dancer. Maybe this is one of the mysterious TUSCL elders?

Ivory? tuscl.net

Is she the one who used to dance at Millstream Inn? tuscl.net

And left with blue balls after a visit to Erotic Cafe in 2009? tuscl.net

Maybe that was just an expression, but she was "a lucky guy!" tuscl.net

So maybe not. It doesn't matter to me. I just figure it's work a quick look if something beeps like a bot.

maybe even "worth" one...

Could they be anonymous reviews unconnected to a specific user, and so lumped under that name?

The only way to know for sure is to ask founder.

MG, I did message founder several days ago asking about who is tuscl.net and linked him to this thread. No reply. Founder is either too busy or it is a secret.

Well, if "tuscl.net" is, in fact, a real person, founder's not going to tell you who exactly it is. The best that you can hope for is that he confirms that the account is legitimate.

hi all... all the reviews under tuscl.net user are there because the original poster of the review either wanted it deleted, or wanted his/her account deleted, etc.

At one time each review under that nickname was submitted by a member, but for some reason or another the review was moved to the tuscl.net nickname.

hth F

^ ahh.. the big boss clears up the mystery ;)

Thanks F. Now I can stop racking my brain trying to figure it out.

So, does that mean that a lot of Bones' reviews from his other TUSCL accounts got moved there when he had those accounts deleted?