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New powers to control lap-dancing clubs are being given to councils in England and Wales, the Home Office has said.

Current licensing laws put clubs in the same category as pubs and cafes and councils can object only on the grounds of crime, nuisance or public safety.

From April, clubs will be classed as sex establishments and residents will be able to oppose venues for being "inappropriate" to the area.

London club owner Peter Stringfellow said the change was "unnecessary".

He told the BBC he would appeal to the European Court of Human Rights if his licences - which he refers to as his "private property" - were not renewed by his local London authority.

"That gives me an open and shut case in a European court but I don't anticipate any problems with Westminster," he said.

Existing clubs will have 12 months to apply for a licence or face closure.

'Important reforms'

The change in law follows a government consultation on licensing laws for lap-dancing clubs.

It is estimated the number of such clubs has doubled to more than 300 since 2004.


The existence of a large number of lap-dancing clubs in a small area does have consequences for people who live and work there

Chris White
Local Government Association
Home Office Minister Alan Campbell said: "Many people have told us they don't want a lap-dancing club in their neighbourhood and feel that the existing legislation does not adequately take account of their concerns.

"From April these important reforms will give local authorities the powers they need to respond to the concerns of local people regarding the number and location of lap-dancing clubs in their area."

Under the new rules - part of the Policing and Crime Act 2009 - local authorities will be able to stop clubs opening near schools or in quiet neighbourhoods.

And the number of venues can be limited in those areas where clubs are permitted.

Striptease acts in pubs or working men's clubs will not be affected, as long as there are fewer than 12 performances a year.

'Valid worries'

Equality Minister Harriet Harman said: "If people don't want to have a sleazy lap-dancing club in their neighbourhood, they shouldn't be forced to have one."


It represents a sea change in the tidal wave of 'sex object culture' that has engulfed us

Dr Sasha Rakoff
Object
The move has been welcomed by the Local Government Association.

Its culture chairman Chris White said: "Parents' concerns about what their children might see during their walk home from school and neighbours' feelings about the reputation of their local area are very valid worries which councils wanted to be able to respond to.

"The existence of a large number of lap-dancing clubs in a small area does have consequences for people who live and work there."

Dr Sasha Rakoff, director of Object, which campaigned for the change in the law along with the Fawcett Society, said it was a "tremendous victory for women's rights and democracy".

"It represents a sea change in the tidal wave of 'sex object culture' that has engulfed us and in which an entire generation has now been groomed," she said.

'Hell-bent'

But lap dancing club owners said a change in the law would lead to job losses and lower investment in a £2.1bn industry.

Peter Stringfellow, whose two London clubs have featured nude dancing girls since the mid-1990s, said the change in the law had closed a loophole, which had allowed some "table-side dancing clubs" to open without appropriate licences.

But he said making every club re-apply was "overdoing it", blaming the "extreme feminist organisation, the Fawcett Society" for putting pressure on former Home Secretary Jacqui Smith and Equality Minister Harriet Harman.

"Clubs like mine that had the appropriate licences should be separated from the clubs they were concerned about," he said.


Ms Harman should come clean and be honest about exactly how this new law will work in practice

Chris Knight
Lap Dancing Association
The Lap Dancing Association said the government had been "hell-bent" on introducing this legislation regardless of the 25,000 people employed in the industry.

It also questioned the legal right of local authorities to base licensing decisions on "emotive and moralistic grounds".

Vice-chairman Chris Knight said: "It is undoubtedly right that local residents should have a say in planning and licensing decisions, but it is downright misleading and disingenuous to imply that they can do so on these grounds.

"Ms Harman should come clean and be honest about exactly how this new law will work in practice."

In 2008, lap dancers protested at Downing Street against the proposals, saying it would stigmatise performers.



30 comments

  • MisterGuy
    15 years ago
    "He told the BBC he would appeal to the European Court of Human Rights"

    I dunno much of anything about the UK or EU legal system, but is this kind of action jumping the gun or a kind of forum shopping? Aren't there lower level legal avenues that would have to be pursued first before going to the EU?

    "Its culture chairman Chris White said: 'Parents' concerns about what their children might see during their walk home from school'"

    Oh my...the "it's for the children" argument!

    Sounds like the "Policing and Crime Act 2009" is going to significantly change prostitution laws over there as well...too bad...
  • Clubber
    15 years ago
    Hey mg, NEWS FLASH!!!!!

    "I dunno much of anything about the UK or EU legal system..."

    You "dunno" know much about ANYTHING! Well, other then how to be an idiot, and you are just magnificent at that!
  • Dudester
    15 years ago
    Never been to England, but don't they have escorts who work pretty much unrestricted?
  • samsung1
    15 years ago
    amsterdam!
  • gk
    15 years ago
    I seem to recall the pubs closed early, say around 10:30 or 11 p.m. when I visited some 20 years ago. Has that changed? So what hours are srip clubs allowed to be open?

    Oh, I almost forgot,...yes, f--king politicians, same all over, always pandering.
  • londonguy
    15 years ago
    Dudester, the politicians have made life difficult for them as well. It's now an offence to have sex with a girl if she asbeen 'trafficked', how they will police it and how the men are supposed to know is impossible. Fortunately we have a great choice of escorts over here, girls that are truly utstanding from about $150 upwards.
  • MisterGuy
    15 years ago
    "You 'dunno' know much about ANYTHING!"

    You're projecting again clubber, and, as has the case recently, you're desperation is showing once again...ugh...
  • Clubber
    15 years ago
    Well now...

    I guess the above truth was just to much for mg to argue. He is VERY SLOWLY coming around to the realization that he is, in fact, an idiot!
  • MisterGuy
    15 years ago
    "I guess the above truth was just to much for mg to argue."

    Huh?? What "truth", moron...you hardly ever bring anything truthful to the table.

    Keep the obvious & ironic projections right on coming old man...lol...
  • Clubber
    15 years ago
    You do, even when I don't mention you by "name", always seem to recognize yourself when I mention the idiot, the village idiot, or something akin to those. I believe that shows a lot of truth!
  • MisterGuy
    15 years ago
    LOL...and the rampant desperation of a proven old fool continues...
  • Clubber
    15 years ago
    Of course, once again, he recognizes the idiot I mention. And as most always, tries to deflect attention from the obvious. Perhaps you should change your nick to "Houdini".
  • MisterGuy
    15 years ago
    LOL...at least we all know by now who the old fool is...he's the one that keeps getting pwned!
  • Clubber
    15 years ago
    In your "mind", only in your "mind"!
  • MisterGuy
    15 years ago
    LOL...
  • Clubber
    15 years ago
    Well now, we AGREE!!!

    I mention your "mind" and you laugh!

    I said before you were coming around and there is a bit more proof.
  • MisterGuy
    15 years ago
    LOL...no you ramble on aimlessly, just like usual, and I laugh at YOU, moron.
  • Clubber
    15 years ago
    Clubber says: In your "mind", only in your "mind"!

    MisterGuy says: LOL...

    Once again, PROOF, you are a LIAR! I mention your "mind", you LOL!
  • MisterGuy
    15 years ago
    Exactly how desperate can one proven Right-wingnut get?? I guess we'll all get to see as his downward spiral into madness continues...LOL...
  • Clubber
    15 years ago
    And once again, the village idiot doesn't bother to mention his EXPOSED lie!

    You are about ready to bore me all over again!

    YAWN!
  • MisterGuy
    15 years ago
    Whew...I can tell that this meltdown is going to take a loooong time...ugh...
  • Clubber
    15 years ago
    And once again, the village idiot doesn't bother to mention his EXPOSED lie!

    You are about ready to bore me all over again!

    YAWN!!
  • MisterGuy
    15 years ago
    LOL...
  • Clubber
    15 years ago
    And he laughs at his idiocy!
  • MisterGuy
    15 years ago
    LOL...nope, just laughing out loud at you, moron...
  • Clubber
    15 years ago
    Per your surrender in the "ICONS" post...

    I will let this slide.
  • MisterGuy
    15 years ago
    "Per your surrender in the 'ICONS' post"

    Ummmm, they wasn't any "surrender" in that completely off-topic & meaningless thread that you started for no particular reason, moron. Rant on crazy old man...lol...
  • Clubber
    15 years ago
    YAWN!
  • MisterGuy
    15 years ago
    LOL...
  • Clubber
    15 years ago
    YAWN!!
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