Pros & Cons of Negotiable Dance Prices & How to Handle Them

One more post I just thought of. I said its the dancer doing the negotiation when Im trying to get rid of them. (Darn software wont let me use apostrophes now all of a sudden). One dancer was so persistent in trying to get dances from me that eventually after saying no, maybe later or whatever else I could think of, she finally said she would dance for free. No charge at all. I still said no, I was not interested in her. I thought that was it but no. Then she said she wanted to take me home with her. She finally gave up when I said no thanks to that. That was not a negotiation.

It only takes a few seconds longer for me to ask or negotiate than it does for a dancer to say "wanna dance?" At the stage I once tipped a dancer a cheeto stick. She asked for that instead of a dollar, at least two years ago when the economy was better. She even came back for another tip (another cheeto) when I offered another. I could afford to stage tip all night at that rate. I might have to tip the bathroom attendent a dollar to get another bag of cheetos.

Most dancers I do try to get rid of with my no, no thanks, maybe later responses. They may couner with a lower offer but I'm really just trying to politely get rid of them so I didn't consider that to be a negotiation. It's when I ask how much they charge for dances that I'm interested in the dancer. Then if I say something like I usually get two for $30, I consider that to be more negotiation because in about 99 percent of the other cases, I won't be buying dances because I'm not interested.

I still like deogol's idea that you should tell them to match your pizza coupon. Get them to deliver, too.

The only reason I buy lots of dances at Platinum Plus clubs is that I think the dance prices are an acceptable value if I like the dancer. The simple way to negotiate is to just say no, or no thanks, or not right now. Many people already do this and didn't think they were negotiating at other clubs.

Oh, best way I've found to negotiate at Platinum Plus Columbia where I don't always visit so much. I tell the dancers after they ask for a dance that I'm waiting for their two for one special they do every hour. If the dancers immediately come back with an acceptable price and they can do it right away, I may take them up on that. If not, I don't need dances right away. I'll get asked a gazillion times anyway and if no one comes down in price, I'll just enjoy the view. The same dancers do come back. If they don't then good for them.

"If it's more than you're willing to pay, you just stay out of that club. Simple."

Gee, seriously? Do most people think like that?

When I am new to a club, I always ask, "what's the deal with the dances here?", before I agree to a LD so that I can know what to expect in terms of contact & price beforehand. In my experience, strip clubs that allow dancers to set their own prices are just an invitation for people to get ripped off...

In the past I use to take my $5 ho to someplace real upscale show she could learn somewhat how to behave like a lady. Well shoot, I can't even afford the hors d'oeuvre in a place like the old Pavillon. Does that mean me and my date should be denied superior dining? Hardly. :) Unfortunately, I've needed to act a little more aggressive than I am. But, for good eats AND to show a ho a good time, a man's gotta take charge and take names.

Over at the Canton in Coral Gables my culture earned me multi-course meals and all the bottles of plum wine my gut could handle---owner always tried to give me for free, but I insisted on paying at least a few dollars. I don't like free. The first time I'd met the owner he was calling for a cop and fortunately for me a cop that knew of me was within about 10 feet. Everyone was a happy camper after that and the owner always referred to me as Number One Customer. I'm a nobody, but he made me feel important and loved. Best of all he listened to my heated harangue about government without taking his beady eyes off of me. Just as easy, I could have been wrongfully placed under arrest. Sometimes having people know you is all important whether it be in stripclubs or a restaurant.

I'm with you on this one chandler. I think the only benefit is to play girls off against each other, assuming you can be bothered. Part of my job is financial negotiating so when I go to a club I like to leave my work behind.

Correction: I think the ho was $2. The $5 hoes of today are really $2 hoes, but with inflation and poor negotiating on my part.

"If it's more than you're willing to pay, you just stay out of that club. Simple."

Do you apply that same reasoning when you go to a new car dealer? Some people do pay sticker price. They might be wealthy or ignorant or negotiating is just distasteful to them. List price on a new Sentra was about $12,000. I paid $8,000. I'd love to pay the extra money if I was wealthier. I figure the dealership is a grownup. They don't like my offer they can reject it. Never been too impressed with a seller's asking or list price. Even less impressed with the mentality if you have to ask then you can't afford it. More power to those who can pay list price without any qualms----must feel great. :)

I met this police officer with this totally quality wife---she was a goddess, both looks and personality and everything. It seemed like everything the officer had was top quality. He made it clear to the seller a few times that he didn't like talking price and didn't mind paying for quality. Give a price and I'll accept or reject---just do a good job; price really isn't a consideration. Anyway the seller was a true asshole and kept nickle and diming the officer.

This officer was a dream customer. If he was willing to do business with me, then I'd give a high fair price----no BS. I'd just be grateful to work for the man and his wife.

Finally, the officer has enough of the hidden charges and asshole seller loses a dream customer. I LOVE a customer who can afford to pay and who is basically just a good person.

If the price is too high, say no. I have had the occasion where they have come back with lower prices when they see me buying dances. I usually turn them down anyway.

What we really need to do is just say no to dances over $10. Organize a national movement to just say no. Prices would come down. Girls would be busier, work moere hours, have less time for drugs and society as a whole would benefit.

Nice to see the ignore button doing its job.

I'm with Chandler/London - Arguing with a women over money? Sounds too much like my home life.

Yes, the ignore does work. Question is, how do you "un" ignore?

Click 'my profile' in the upper right corner, then 'ignore list', then 'restore'.

I shouldn't have posted that. I was just pissed that the thread seemed to be going off-track, er, "evolving".

Thanks

I have been to clubs that clearly have their dance prices posted on the wall but the dancers are still willing to negotiate about it. I don't know how the pricing works exactly but here is an example: The club charges $30 for a dance and the dancer keeps $25 of it and the club gets $5 out of it. Therefore the dancer may be willing to pay for part of it because she will end up with a profit, perhaps a $15 profit instead of the original $25 she would have made without negotiating.

Yeah samsung1, you'd think the girls would figure out that on a slow day for instance, they might make more by lowering their price. The club shouldn't care - they still get their $5/dance. Probably pisses-off the other girls, and the low-bidder gets a bunch O' crap from them. And then the drama builds, and the manager gets tired of listening to the dancer shit and tells the girls they have to charge the published rate...something like that. When the club is getting a portion of each dance, I rarely see quantity discounts or lower each price.

When I visited one club a few years back they did '$1 dances', what would happen is that the DJ would play a short record and the guys could grab any girl they wanted as at this point all the girls not currently dancing would all walk around the club. At the time I thought it a good idea. Does this still happen in some clubs?

One of the other reasons I don't barter now is that for me $20 is such a good deal. Over here they are the equivalent of $30 to $40 with NO touching unless you are very lucky.

I've only been one place where negotiation of prices was a standard activity and the only good thing about that place is they tend to be cheaper than the other places nearby. I suppose if the girls were 7-9 instead of 4-6, that could be good, but in all honesty, I prefer the simplicity of having a standard price for everything. On the other hand, I used to get a deal from my old ATF where instead of paying $20, I paid $15 (at least at the club I most remember her at), but I don't think that applied to non-regulars.

chandler- For about the last 8 yrs., Mons Venus has posted price of "$20-$30, negotiable". Dancers sticking to $30 price is rare lately, and then only if getting single dance- almost all do effective price of $20 or $25/per for multiple dances.
Otherwise, sticking with "standard price"(except 2-fers) is pretty much the norm for my experiences. The place where I've encountered the "barter factor", or more accurately, "the upsell" concerns what you'll get for your $$. (eg- dances are $20, but you can touch for XXX$ more). THAT practice seems to be the norm in several San Francisco clubs, and an isolated L.A. area club or 2.

"Does this still happen in some clubs?"

Yes, mini-LDs are common at a few clubs...not at that many though in my experience.

I like a set price. ...though I don't mind negotiating a price for extras, I hate the negotiations for something as simple and basic as a LD. The only place I've ever been that does it is the Body Shop in San Diego. It's $20 per dance + TIP. But if you only pay the $20 you get an air dance. Girls will usually let you touch pretty much everything but the kitty for $40/dance, but no extras. And other than the occasional dancer who will give you a few tugs either up your shorts or from outside your pants, you basically just get what amounts to a mediocre LD where you might be able to suck/feel a titty or two. It's lame.

I also see that Treasures in Houston, TX is kinda "negotiable" where a number of girls are asking for 3 for $100 as opposed to the $20 or $25 that it's supposed to be. I'm going there in about a week or so, and not looking forward to that aspect.

If you live in the area, like I do, the negotiated price becomes the standard price for all the girls you are familar with. New girls often will match that price or even beat it if they are more desperate. I once negotiated a price with a pizza place to match a competitors price coupon and had them deliver it too when they said they didn't typically deliver. Even my relatives offer prices in stores where many people think you have to pay the price you see. Many prices are negotiable everywhere regardless if someone thinks you have to pay the price you see on the sticker. I doubt Walmart would negotiate unless you're talking to a manager. However I think it's worth it and go to one club where prices are set in stone but have only bought a lap dance there about 2 times in several years. I actually got two lap dances at The Masters at two for $25. A dancer I didn't know offered that to me. Typically they charge $25 or more per dance. To each their own. I didn't pay sticker price for my car either even though it was one of the more popular cars at the time.

I like it when a dancer can lower the price she charges. I don't think it requires much negotiation to say no thanks. A few minutes later or even possibly a second later she comes back with another lower offer. If dances were only $5 or $10 or something like that, I wouldn't mind if it was pretty much set in stone. I believe one time one dancer at Platinum Plus Columbia offered to do half off the regular half off price. I think that was only $5 per lap dance. She must have been dancing for me for over 30 to 45 minutes. I enjoyed that even though she wasn't willing to do that the next time I saw her. That was some time ago when most dancers were only asking two for $20.

I could probably talk to the manager at one club and talk him into offering lap dances at two for $30 in my opinion (where prices are more set in stone) but I already spend enough money so I'm not looking for spending any more. The lower the dance prices are, the more I seem to spend. hmmm, maybe I should mention the club in case the manager of the chain actually reads this. The club chain is The Penthouse Club. They offer two for ones at $40 and offer a DVD, tshirt, golf towel or some token along with the dance. In my local area many people aren't interested in paying the higher dance prices. I don't care for the token gifts. Lap dances are nude and I believe one way contact only plus you have to pay extra to put money in a juke box. That should be free in my opinion. It used to be a busy crowded club when nude dances were two for $30 without the token gifts. Now it is not so crowded. Dancers don't make as much money so the better ones go to other clubs. The crowd follows to the other clubs. Then the club isn't making as much either yet they stick to their prices as if they are set in stone even with the current economy.

I'd like to hear a little about the nitty-gritty of negotiation, especially with all the Platinum Plus fans around here.,,

- Do you ask for a particular price or do you ask the dancer what hers is (or wait for her to bring it up)?
- At what point to you bring it up? When you first meet her, or only when she asks for a dance?
- Do you have a price in mind you won't go over and a lower price you open with, or what? Are they the same for all dancers?
- How much back-and-forth do you engage in? How does it conclude when you don't agree on a price?
- Do you wind up tending to favor a set of dancers because their prices are lower and avoiding others because they're prices are too high?

What's your overall attitude towards negotiating? Get the cheapest prices possible no matter what, avoid ripoff prices with the least amount of fuss, or what?

I'm not really interested in just a dance, and I don't want to be counting songs. So a little negotiation is sometimes needed. But I avoid price-haggling with a dancer as much as possible. The analogy to buying a car is not applicable, as I am typically not trying to get into the car salesperson's panties... ;)

Hi how,

Actually negotiating and paying less may assist you in getting into the dancer's panties. It doesn't seem like demanding 241 hampers shadowcat's opportunities to any relevant extent.

Men are often confused thinking giving more equals getting more! Think loser boyfriend and forget the mantra of money money money.

To be sure, jablake, I pay as little as possible. I am aware that giving more does not necessarily lead to getting more in this case. However, I am not a fan of haggling in the SC, as in a car dealership. As I mentioned, "a little negotiation is sometimes needed." Big difference.

It seems like the dancers that I meet often are suspicious of generosity---money or help. Usually, I don't have to worry about being too generous with $$$ because I just don't have that much. What I have pretty much goes to attorneys (yes, blame government). Anyway, on special occasions when I'm spending and I feel the dancer is getting concerned, it seems to help a lot if I explain the special occasion and that normally I'm very low budget.

Anyway, as far as the car dealer example . . . I took a little umbrage at the mentality if a person is financially disadvantage or even if he isn't that the list price should be considered sacrosanct. Point being those who subscribe to that notion may run from it where their budget isn't as robust.

I remember this wealthy asshole at The Trap who was demanding that I tip $2. Because he could afford $2, then presto that is the moral tip. Turns out the elderly punk (he was old like me) just visited every 3 months or so. Here I might be showing up every day. The punk couldn't comprehend that I was actually a much better customer than him due to VOLUME. With clowns like him the dancers would have starved. Similarly, the punk might consider $20 per dance plus $10 tip sacrosanct. He wouldn't be able to comprehend that $5 per dance when the club dead is very much appreciated depending on VOLUME---that day and future days.

Bottom line is that the supposedly "good" customer might not be nearly the catch that he might imagine himself to be. Dancers might rather be wasting their time with a low budget customer who "lives" at the club. Anyway wealthy assholes who are very nonchalant about imposing costs on others need to feel the severe sting of socialism.

God damn dudes, simply get to her price and then make up the difference between hers and yours with pizza hut coupons and shit. "Here's a 10% Lowes coupon bitch - up to $500 bucks right there!"

jablake, your last statement, "Wealthy assholes who are very nonchalant about imposing costs on others need to feel the severe sting of socialism," is incredibly sad.

It's also wrong on every level. Wealthy folks don't "impose" costs on the rest of us. The "market," via supply and demand, sets costs. And socialism would "sting," as it would make everyone worse off. But the idea that there might be some justice in stealing from the successful to give to the destitute is wrong. Everyone should get an equal chance at success, but equal outcomes cannot be the goal.

The only people who feel the sting of socialism are the providers of service and products.

Hi how,

I'm not talking about the market. I'm talking about wealthy assholes who love government. You know more laws and more government mandates. We had these wealthy assholes in my neighborhood and I was able to organize opposition to their ideals of adding another layer of government. What did these wealthy assholes want? More police, blocked roads (anti-crime), greater code enforcement, more standards (paint your home; no signs; etc.), higher "user fees," etc. These wealthy assholes are a true menace because they wish all manner of services and then believe everyone should pay equally. They only whimper when the costs are painful to them---if the costs are painful to poor people the nonsense they spew is that if you can't afford it, then move. No, the better solution is just for the government to steal your money so you get a new attitude! One wealthy asshole had the nerve to stand up and say that the additional services would attract people like him to the community. I stood and said it is people like you that either need to be sent packing or taxed non-stop for all the garbage you propose and then taxed much more to pay for "good" government programs. He said why should he pay for me!? I say because you want this garbage and have the means to pay for it. You want more government, then fine I know the best way to not only pay for it, but how to spend it more appropriately as well. :)

Unfortunately, President Bush very much showed that socialism is the best viable path. Limited government has almost no supporters.

"The only people who feel the sting of socialism are the providers of service and products."

Hardly. They might be the main beneficiaries as government buys up their goods and services or spreads dollars so ordinary folks can buy 'em. Get too wealthy? Then be prepared to be just another victim of the government's growing prison system. :) Hey government is corrupt---the wealthy should get to feel it branded on their butts for a change.

Freedom in the United States is not free. One has to pay for it. Ask any poor person presented the options of jail time or fines.

Like most things I run across, whether I negotiate depends. I'm in Seattle and this town is like an SC wasteland right now. Guess there was some sort of crackdown all over (not just Rick's) last year. I wonder if this is what it's like in Houston these days? It's rare for me to throw good money after bad, but since I might be back here again I'm taking one for the team and checking out the whole scene.

Cover charges day and night everywhere but Sugar's. Make that strip club hades.

So yeah, in some of these places I'm definitely holding the line on $$ looking at what these locals are getting. If you all think San Diego is bad, you haven't seen anything 'til you've seen these places. If I have to buy another $5 coke just for walking in the door...hell, I paid $10 for water last night because I couldn't stand the thought of being near another glass of soda.

"Ask any poor person presented the options of jail time or fines."

Yes, the wonderful option of would you rather be raped in the ass or in the mouth. Typical American thinking.

As the King of negotiating 241, I'd hoped shadowcat would weigh in with some intellectual cannons of why he does it. I assume he just considers the question too dumb.

Let's say it ain't about the obvious i.e. money. It could be a way of demonstrating dominance. Yo bitch, yeah I'll pay but on MY TERMS. I ain't no typical candy ass who accepts whatever shit is shoved in my face. Sure I'm loaded with stocks, bonds, real estate, 6 fig income, etc., but that don't mean I's a punk pushover 4 a pretty penelope. You take care o my needs, then will see about you getting a little cheese. You got suckers who meekly accept full price??? shoot get your whore ass moving in their direction ho!

jablake, if you lack something you desire, that's your concern alone. Suggesting that the government should steal what you desire from someone who has it, then give it to you, is sick.

Hi how,

No it isn't my concern alone when I have a corrupt government that imposes all manner of costs upon me. Just as you wish for others to pay for the War on Terror, I feel it is more fitting that the rich finance "good" government such universal health care, education, housing, strippers, transportation, food, research, etc.

So, get the stinking government off of my back and I could care less about the wealthy (the less government the better). I wouldn't want a penny from them. Act like President Bush and dang, those wealthy need to be ripped off every day and every which way. Socialism is the solution to conservatives and others who wish for larger government. It is like The Wall Street Journal giving thumbs up for government paid health care for the elderly. Screw that filth. If so called conservatives wish for government to spend money on the elderly, then they should be FORCED to spend it on everybody for all manner of goods and services without limit. Conservatives want a War on Drugs, a War on Booze, a War on Terror---fine, but that has a price tag. The price tag is others have a very different agenda for government such equality of wealth. :) Fair deal?

It is sorta like this sweet little old lady who wanted the local government to stop the shade tree mechanics---I and most people agree with her as far as it would be nice if they were gone. There is a price and she didn't want to pay it nor did most of the neighbors (after it was explained to them). And, the price is the government doesn't stop just where there is a broad consensus----not all. Shade tree mechanics today and tomorrow it is people who don't paint their home often enough or paint it the wrong color, or who've parked a truck in their own driveway, etc.

how,

I had some extremely wealthy friends from Iran. They love America and complained how in Iran part of their wealth was stolen by a corrupt court. I said that sounds like America. So they looked into my case and said yes, but only "pocket change" was stolen from you (to their credit, they did offer to reimburse me---very impressive considering they'd done nothing wrong to me). We had MILLIONS stolen. I said well my "pocket change" was like MILLIONS to me so I don't see a dime's worth of difference. Their response was "pocket change" is "pocket change" and just because a person is poor gives it NO greater value. Typical filth type thinking that the wealthy fall back on. If they can afford the theft then it is OK or trivial. I say BULLSHIT! Those wealthy assholes need their money stolen big time so they can understand how poor people feel when government rips them off.

"We had MILLIONS stolen. I said well my 'pocket change' was like MILLIONS to me so I don't see a dime's worth of difference."

I'm wrong. I do see a dime's worth of difference. Government stealing "pocket change" from the poor man is much worse, imo.

A wealthy stripper club typically has no qualms about government limiting the number of stripclubs. The higher prices mean little to him. As far as he is concerned the government is just so wonderful because it ain't jerking with his fun.

Well, if I have a choice to have expensive clubs that are that way thanks to government or zero clubs, then zero is much better, imo. Let the wealthy asshole who didn't care about the government shutting down dive stripclubs lose the ones he likes. Maybe then the wealthy asshole will grow a brain. Typically wealthy asshole is all in favor of government until it bites him it the butt, which means the government needs to be biting him in the butt!!! :)

Someone is bitter to the point of insanity...

Meanwhile, here are some pros and cons of negotiable dance prices:

Pros:
You may get a good deal
You should know what you will pay and not be surprised

Cons:
The illusion of an actual intimate encounter is basically shattered
You may get into an almost adversarial bargaining process

Someone needs to get a blog.

Meanwhile, here are the pros & some of the cons I see so far:

Pros:
You may get a good deal.
It may mean the club takes a laissez faire approach w. dancers.

Cons:
You may get a bad deal.
You may need to commit to 2 dances to get a good deal.
You may find a dancer you like only to find out she charges am exhorbitant price.
It complicates the process of selecting a dancer.
It may mean the club employs a lot of fuglies.
And so on...

"Someone is bitter to the point of insanity..."

You do honest work for honest pay and then get screwed the way that I did, then you *might* feel the same. I don't know, perhaps you're a tougher or more optimistic person regardless of how you're wronged.

I may be wrong, but I think you'd be just as bitter---maybe moreso. Also, I think you'd regret your years of hard work and saving and trying to get ahead---you'd see the government as garbage. A garbage that can't be defeated so it is best to see it all controlling and working to equalize wealth----let the corruption work toward the general welfare instead of serving the wealthy. :)

I would say that I don't usually negotiate. The dancers are the ones doing that. Dancers are the ones seeking dances. I'm sitting quietly in a chair and get approached. She may ask to join me first, she may immediately ask "do you want a dance?" For most dancers I say no thanks, or not right now, maybe later, and then she leaves. A few will say but I'll do two for $30. I typically still say no thanks. Every once in a while a dancer says, I'll do two for $20. I did take up the offer on that one last time but I didn't think it was worth it. Well it was ok but not as great as I hoped.

One dancer whom I tipped on stage several times but never had received a dance from asked me recently. She asked "you want a dance?" I asked her, do you two for $30? She said for you, I will. My favorites, they stick to the same prices. Sometimes a few out of town visiting dancers have asked as much as two for $40 or two for $50 but that was a long time ago. I have so many favorites I just say no to every dancer who isn't now, almost everyone. Sometimes I don't get dances from some of my favorites, actually a lot of the time now. If the dancers and club agreed that all dances were going to cost $30 each. I would stop getting all dances and probably stop stage tipping for the most part as well. Then the crowd and myself would leave and the club would likely not make hardly any money. Case in point is one club in the area where I almost never buy lap dances and they still stick to two for $40 lap dances, a special done once an hour. I was told one night I was the only one tipping any of the dancers (on stage) and the club was almost empty even though it was after 10 PM on Saturday night. At least 4 dancers left that club to work at Platinum Plus.

The dancers in that case actually left over a year or two ago when there were more customers in the nude club then there are now. I learned my lesson about telling dancers too much information. They were some of the prettier nude dancers and they found out they could make a lot more money where they could negotiate a lower lap dance price in a topless club. I may have told one that I was buying lap dances at a lower price than what they were charging at the nude club and that was why I never bought dances at that club. Well one reason.

They left the nude club so that was a drawback at first. Well I think one still works both places. I didn't buy any dances from them for awhile at the new place but one of them has become one of my favorites. They all have good looking pussies so I learned that I need to be careful how much information I tell a dancer.

Note: If you didn't get my last comment, I can't just tip them a dollar a the new club the dancers are working at (topless) and see their pussy like I used to be able to.

>I would say that I don't usually negotiate. The dancers are the ones doing that.<

Um, then who is negotiating with them?

I don't believe in the market.

By that statement I mean, not, "I don't think the free market works to build a positive society." Rather, by that statement, I mean, "I don't think the market exists."