Pros & Cons of Negotiable Dance Prices & How to Handle Them
chandler
Blue Ridge Foothills
I'm used to clubs where you always know the price, so all you do is find a girl who turns you on, and when she asks if you want a dance, say yes. She keeps dancing until you tell her you don't want any more. Then you pay her. Simple. The price of dances never comes up. Nor even how many dances you want, until you say enough. Being in the club tells each other that you're cool with the price. If it's more than you're willing to pay, you just stay out of that club. Simple.
With clubs like Platinum Plus where dancers set their own prices and they're negotiable, I see a lot of posts from customers who seem absorbed with prices more than pussy. Always complaining about dancers who ask too much, always struggling to save money. (Yeah, I know, they're not the only ones struggling....) Yet they evidently like the idea of having to bargain with dancers.
So, I have to wonder what's good about it? Is there some benefit I'm missing other than finding bargains? And what do you do, if anything, to keep boring considerations like bulk purchasing from getting in the way of having fun?
With clubs like Platinum Plus where dancers set their own prices and they're negotiable, I see a lot of posts from customers who seem absorbed with prices more than pussy. Always complaining about dancers who ask too much, always struggling to save money. (Yeah, I know, they're not the only ones struggling....) Yet they evidently like the idea of having to bargain with dancers.
So, I have to wonder what's good about it? Is there some benefit I'm missing other than finding bargains? And what do you do, if anything, to keep boring considerations like bulk purchasing from getting in the way of having fun?
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Gee, seriously? Do most people think like that?
In the past I use to take my $5 ho to someplace real upscale show she could learn somewhat how to behave like a lady. Well shoot, I can't even afford the hors d'oeuvre in a place like the old Pavillon. Does that mean me and my date should be denied superior dining? Hardly. :) Unfortunately, I've needed to act a little more aggressive than I am. But, for good eats AND to show a ho a good time, a man's gotta take charge and take names.
Over at the Canton in Coral Gables my culture earned me multi-course meals and all the bottles of plum wine my gut could handle---owner always tried to give me for free, but I insisted on paying at least a few dollars. I don't like free. The first time I'd met the owner he was calling for a cop and fortunately for me a cop that knew of me was within about 10 feet. Everyone was a happy camper after that and the owner always referred to me as Number One Customer. I'm a nobody, but he made me feel important and loved. Best of all he listened to my heated harangue about government without taking his beady eyes off of me. Just as easy, I could have been wrongfully placed under arrest. Sometimes having people know you is all important whether it be in stripclubs or a restaurant.
Correction: I think the ho was $2. The $5 hoes of today are really $2 hoes, but with inflation and poor negotiating on my part.
"If it's more than you're willing to pay, you just stay out of that club. Simple."
Do you apply that same reasoning when you go to a new car dealer? Some people do pay sticker price. They might be wealthy or ignorant or negotiating is just distasteful to them. List price on a new Sentra was about $12,000. I paid $8,000. I'd love to pay the extra money if I was wealthier. I figure the dealership is a grownup. They don't like my offer they can reject it. Never been too impressed with a seller's asking or list price. Even less impressed with the mentality if you have to ask then you can't afford it. More power to those who can pay list price without any qualms----must feel great. :)
I met this police officer with this totally quality wife---she was a goddess, both looks and personality and everything. It seemed like everything the officer had was top quality. He made it clear to the seller a few times that he didn't like talking price and didn't mind paying for quality. Give a price and I'll accept or reject---just do a good job; price really isn't a consideration. Anyway the seller was a true asshole and kept nickle and diming the officer.
This officer was a dream customer. If he was willing to do business with me, then I'd give a high fair price----no BS. I'd just be grateful to work for the man and his wife.
Finally, the officer has enough of the hidden charges and asshole seller loses a dream customer. I LOVE a customer who can afford to pay and who is basically just a good person.
What we really need to do is just say no to dances over $10. Organize a national movement to just say no. Prices would come down. Girls would be busier, work moere hours, have less time for drugs and society as a whole would benefit.
I shouldn't have posted that. I was just pissed that the thread seemed to be going off-track, er, "evolving".
One of the other reasons I don't barter now is that for me $20 is such a good deal. Over here they are the equivalent of $30 to $40 with NO touching unless you are very lucky.
Otherwise, sticking with "standard price"(except 2-fers) is pretty much the norm for my experiences. The place where I've encountered the "barter factor", or more accurately, "the upsell" concerns what you'll get for your $$. (eg- dances are $20, but you can touch for XXX$ more). THAT practice seems to be the norm in several San Francisco clubs, and an isolated L.A. area club or 2.
Yes, mini-LDs are common at a few clubs...not at that many though in my experience.
I also see that Treasures in Houston, TX is kinda "negotiable" where a number of girls are asking for 3 for $100 as opposed to the $20 or $25 that it's supposed to be. I'm going there in about a week or so, and not looking forward to that aspect.
- Do you ask for a particular price or do you ask the dancer what hers is (or wait for her to bring it up)?
- At what point to you bring it up? When you first meet her, or only when she asks for a dance?
- Do you have a price in mind you won't go over and a lower price you open with, or what? Are they the same for all dancers?
- How much back-and-forth do you engage in? How does it conclude when you don't agree on a price?
- Do you wind up tending to favor a set of dancers because their prices are lower and avoiding others because they're prices are too high?
What's your overall attitude towards negotiating? Get the cheapest prices possible no matter what, avoid ripoff prices with the least amount of fuss, or what?
Actually negotiating and paying less may assist you in getting into the dancer's panties. It doesn't seem like demanding 241 hampers shadowcat's opportunities to any relevant extent.
Men are often confused thinking giving more equals getting more! Think loser boyfriend and forget the mantra of money money money.
It seems like the dancers that I meet often are suspicious of generosity---money or help. Usually, I don't have to worry about being too generous with $$$ because I just don't have that much. What I have pretty much goes to attorneys (yes, blame government). Anyway, on special occasions when I'm spending and I feel the dancer is getting concerned, it seems to help a lot if I explain the special occasion and that normally I'm very low budget.
Anyway, as far as the car dealer example . . . I took a little umbrage at the mentality if a person is financially disadvantage or even if he isn't that the list price should be considered sacrosanct. Point being those who subscribe to that notion may run from it where their budget isn't as robust.
I remember this wealthy asshole at The Trap who was demanding that I tip $2. Because he could afford $2, then presto that is the moral tip. Turns out the elderly punk (he was old like me) just visited every 3 months or so. Here I might be showing up every day. The punk couldn't comprehend that I was actually a much better customer than him due to VOLUME. With clowns like him the dancers would have starved. Similarly, the punk might consider $20 per dance plus $10 tip sacrosanct. He wouldn't be able to comprehend that $5 per dance when the club dead is very much appreciated depending on VOLUME---that day and future days.
Bottom line is that the supposedly "good" customer might not be nearly the catch that he might imagine himself to be. Dancers might rather be wasting their time with a low budget customer who "lives" at the club. Anyway wealthy assholes who are very nonchalant about imposing costs on others need to feel the severe sting of socialism.
It's also wrong on every level. Wealthy folks don't "impose" costs on the rest of us. The "market," via supply and demand, sets costs. And socialism would "sting," as it would make everyone worse off. But the idea that there might be some justice in stealing from the successful to give to the destitute is wrong. Everyone should get an equal chance at success, but equal outcomes cannot be the goal.
I'm not talking about the market. I'm talking about wealthy assholes who love government. You know more laws and more government mandates. We had these wealthy assholes in my neighborhood and I was able to organize opposition to their ideals of adding another layer of government. What did these wealthy assholes want? More police, blocked roads (anti-crime), greater code enforcement, more standards (paint your home; no signs; etc.), higher "user fees," etc. These wealthy assholes are a true menace because they wish all manner of services and then believe everyone should pay equally. They only whimper when the costs are painful to them---if the costs are painful to poor people the nonsense they spew is that if you can't afford it, then move. No, the better solution is just for the government to steal your money so you get a new attitude! One wealthy asshole had the nerve to stand up and say that the additional services would attract people like him to the community. I stood and said it is people like you that either need to be sent packing or taxed non-stop for all the garbage you propose and then taxed much more to pay for "good" government programs. He said why should he pay for me!? I say because you want this garbage and have the means to pay for it. You want more government, then fine I know the best way to not only pay for it, but how to spend it more appropriately as well. :)
Unfortunately, President Bush very much showed that socialism is the best viable path. Limited government has almost no supporters.
"The only people who feel the sting of socialism are the providers of service and products."
Hardly. They might be the main beneficiaries as government buys up their goods and services or spreads dollars so ordinary folks can buy 'em. Get too wealthy? Then be prepared to be just another victim of the government's growing prison system. :) Hey government is corrupt---the wealthy should get to feel it branded on their butts for a change.
Cover charges day and night everywhere but Sugar's. Make that strip club hades.
So yeah, in some of these places I'm definitely holding the line on $$ looking at what these locals are getting. If you all think San Diego is bad, you haven't seen anything 'til you've seen these places. If I have to buy another $5 coke just for walking in the door...hell, I paid $10 for water last night because I couldn't stand the thought of being near another glass of soda.
Yes, the wonderful option of would you rather be raped in the ass or in the mouth. Typical American thinking.
Let's say it ain't about the obvious i.e. money. It could be a way of demonstrating dominance. Yo bitch, yeah I'll pay but on MY TERMS. I ain't no typical candy ass who accepts whatever shit is shoved in my face. Sure I'm loaded with stocks, bonds, real estate, 6 fig income, etc., but that don't mean I's a punk pushover 4 a pretty penelope. You take care o my needs, then will see about you getting a little cheese. You got suckers who meekly accept full price??? shoot get your whore ass moving in their direction ho!
No it isn't my concern alone when I have a corrupt government that imposes all manner of costs upon me. Just as you wish for others to pay for the War on Terror, I feel it is more fitting that the rich finance "good" government such universal health care, education, housing, strippers, transportation, food, research, etc.
So, get the stinking government off of my back and I could care less about the wealthy (the less government the better). I wouldn't want a penny from them. Act like President Bush and dang, those wealthy need to be ripped off every day and every which way. Socialism is the solution to conservatives and others who wish for larger government. It is like The Wall Street Journal giving thumbs up for government paid health care for the elderly. Screw that filth. If so called conservatives wish for government to spend money on the elderly, then they should be FORCED to spend it on everybody for all manner of goods and services without limit. Conservatives want a War on Drugs, a War on Booze, a War on Terror---fine, but that has a price tag. The price tag is others have a very different agenda for government such equality of wealth. :) Fair deal?
It is sorta like this sweet little old lady who wanted the local government to stop the shade tree mechanics---I and most people agree with her as far as it would be nice if they were gone. There is a price and she didn't want to pay it nor did most of the neighbors (after it was explained to them). And, the price is the government doesn't stop just where there is a broad consensus----not all. Shade tree mechanics today and tomorrow it is people who don't paint their home often enough or paint it the wrong color, or who've parked a truck in their own driveway, etc.
I had some extremely wealthy friends from Iran. They love America and complained how in Iran part of their wealth was stolen by a corrupt court. I said that sounds like America. So they looked into my case and said yes, but only "pocket change" was stolen from you (to their credit, they did offer to reimburse me---very impressive considering they'd done nothing wrong to me). We had MILLIONS stolen. I said well my "pocket change" was like MILLIONS to me so I don't see a dime's worth of difference. Their response was "pocket change" is "pocket change" and just because a person is poor gives it NO greater value. Typical filth type thinking that the wealthy fall back on. If they can afford the theft then it is OK or trivial. I say BULLSHIT! Those wealthy assholes need their money stolen big time so they can understand how poor people feel when government rips them off.
I'm wrong. I do see a dime's worth of difference. Government stealing "pocket change" from the poor man is much worse, imo.
A wealthy stripper club typically has no qualms about government limiting the number of stripclubs. The higher prices mean little to him. As far as he is concerned the government is just so wonderful because it ain't jerking with his fun.
Well, if I have a choice to have expensive clubs that are that way thanks to government or zero clubs, then zero is much better, imo. Let the wealthy asshole who didn't care about the government shutting down dive stripclubs lose the ones he likes. Maybe then the wealthy asshole will grow a brain. Typically wealthy asshole is all in favor of government until it bites him it the butt, which means the government needs to be biting him in the butt!!! :)
Meanwhile, here are some pros and cons of negotiable dance prices:
Pros:
You may get a good deal
You should know what you will pay and not be surprised
Cons:
The illusion of an actual intimate encounter is basically shattered
You may get into an almost adversarial bargaining process
Meanwhile, here are the pros & some of the cons I see so far:
Pros:
You may get a good deal.
It may mean the club takes a laissez faire approach w. dancers.
Cons:
You may get a bad deal.
You may need to commit to 2 dances to get a good deal.
You may find a dancer you like only to find out she charges am exhorbitant price.
It complicates the process of selecting a dancer.
It may mean the club employs a lot of fuglies.
And so on...
You do honest work for honest pay and then get screwed the way that I did, then you *might* feel the same. I don't know, perhaps you're a tougher or more optimistic person regardless of how you're wronged.
I may be wrong, but I think you'd be just as bitter---maybe moreso. Also, I think you'd regret your years of hard work and saving and trying to get ahead---you'd see the government as garbage. A garbage that can't be defeated so it is best to see it all controlling and working to equalize wealth----let the corruption work toward the general welfare instead of serving the wealthy. :)
One dancer whom I tipped on stage several times but never had received a dance from asked me recently. She asked "you want a dance?" I asked her, do you two for $30? She said for you, I will. My favorites, they stick to the same prices. Sometimes a few out of town visiting dancers have asked as much as two for $40 or two for $50 but that was a long time ago. I have so many favorites I just say no to every dancer who isn't now, almost everyone. Sometimes I don't get dances from some of my favorites, actually a lot of the time now. If the dancers and club agreed that all dances were going to cost $30 each. I would stop getting all dances and probably stop stage tipping for the most part as well. Then the crowd and myself would leave and the club would likely not make hardly any money. Case in point is one club in the area where I almost never buy lap dances and they still stick to two for $40 lap dances, a special done once an hour. I was told one night I was the only one tipping any of the dancers (on stage) and the club was almost empty even though it was after 10 PM on Saturday night. At least 4 dancers left that club to work at Platinum Plus.
Um, then who is negotiating with them?
By that statement I mean, not, "I don't think the free market works to build a positive society." Rather, by that statement, I mean, "I don't think the market exists."