Levels (Journey) of a Strip Club Hobbyist
Player11
Texas
I beleive there are several phases of enjoying the SC Hobby one can travel through - Standard, OTC Player, and ITC Player. In Houston it is full two way contact and there are many Extras Clubs where itc action is easily had with the right amount of green tendered. A frined of mine who is also a strip clubber has been a great mentor and even fixed me up with strippers and escorts at his house (sex). Not long ago I was on a project which had a long commute and as he is retired (with nothing but chasing strippers to do) we would talk via cell phone comparing clubs, girls, experiences, etc. It was almost like radio tuscl. So it helps to have a friend experienced in StripClubbing as what we do can't be discussed with civilians or god forbid a GF or wife.<br />
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Standard - In the beginning of my SC Journey I spent a lot on the usual SC activities of drinks, lapdances and sometimes would take them out for dinner or meet them for lunch where they would solicit handouts / loans. I also suffered some experiences with ROB's. Admittedly, it was sort of an ego thing - date with a stripper but could quickly turn into an invitation to being ripped off. I even had one go psycho on me in a restaurant. A lifetime of druguse can really fry their brain, causing all sorts of paranoia so be careful where you tread conversation wise. When they would call my office to see if I was coming by the club that evening I would experience a rush. These particular girls did not fuck but would hustle you for your last dime if you let them. At this point I had not done one otc. While there are guys who pay them to sit at their table for some period of time like an hour enjoying drinks I was not one of those. I reached a point considering what I was spending on dances (one Sat evening with Stevie, a ROB doing the ole she's your GF number had done damage in the amount of $500 lap dances and $75 trip to club boutique) it was about time to get one otc. You will get a lot of SS from the ones who won't fuck like how they have to get to know you or they will delay you by saying "let me go back to dressing room and get in my street clothes and then we will go to the motel." You wait and wait but no girl. Later you found out she snuck out the backdoor of the club and played she might meet you otc while you spent lots of money on her for dances and being hustled for drinks. Hopefully you did not give her a loan or advance!<br />
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OTC Player - The next level for me was meeting one otc who needed some help getting her car out of impound in Galveston. She danced at Lipstick and her car was impounded due to a shoplifting arrest. Of course she was innocent she said as her MIL who accompanied her on the trip was the true thief. She told me she needed a loan and I told her I could help her but first needed her to meet me at a motel for sex. She agreed. The $170 was well spent and I had a fantastic sexual experience with her which was the beginning of many more. Then I started doing other girls I had met in SC and discovered what I call bonus girls. These are GF of the girl your doing who want to get in on the action and one (Waffle House Waitress) even stole my cell phone number from another girl to meet me for sessions. Now I was rotating multiple girls. At this level, lap dance spending dropped a lot LOL. At this level you learn how to make them an offer for otc action as your skills for this develop. I remember going to the lunch buffet at Ricks South in 2005 right after a sex session with Sh who danced at Lipstick. W was in a sexy bik dancing on stage and after having some lap dances an otc session was negotiated. Its like I was on some sort of auto pilot. She had given me a bunch of stuff on how her BF was a drag (and terrible in bed) and I wondered on the way home if it was just SS. Sa who danced at Dreamers phoned me during the ride home wanted to meet for an afternoon session and I pushed it to mid afternoon the next day. I did not believe W was really serious but we ended up meeting at noon (her mother brought her to the session) then in the same room I did Sa around mid afternnon. At that point I realized I was out of control and needed to ease up on the throttle. I went on to have many wonderful sessions with Sh and W plus some more with Sa who bc of drugs did not measure up to the enthusiasm or performance levels of the other girls. A shame bc she was a biker rag bikini model who was really one hot blonde. Alonst all gals you will be doing otc have BF or husband. Hot girls don't live alone (thats only in the movies). It is bad news if SO's know she works otc even if she say it is "cool" with them as they will try to push her to get more money from you. She will hit you with drama about "rent is due so we need $800 by thursday or we will be evicted." This is usually him trying to get her to milk you. So don't fall in love with her, its a fools errand - enjoy her for what she is, a whore. Don't get me wrong, I like whores a lot (good ones will make you very happy) and they can ease any tension you are suffering from drama caused by a wife or GF, sort of like an antidote to snake poison. One stripper I was doing otc told me "you can't make a whore into a housewife." We laughed and laughed as in this regard she was the expert. My photo archives include pics of a number of strippers I have done otc. These are past favs I have took photos of prior to sex as I try not to include currently active ones for obvious reasons.<br />
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ITC Player - I then advanced to my current level of doing them both itc and otc. ITC activity literally exploded for me when I became VIP at an extras friendly club. It is like a lot of them are excited at the opportunity to get some strange along with major cash. I remember one evening taking a blonde spinner, F to the upstairs VIP and her making a cell phone call to her SO giving him instructions on how to put the kids to bed. Then like woman on a mission she made a couch fort, got naked on the divan and started fondling Mr H. We went on to have great sex. Who says these gals can't multitask? My latest experience there after doing M in VIP I relaxed enjoying the buffet and a drink while M started a set on stage 1 and then Ce (did her a coupla months before) advanced to stage 2. So there I was sitting in a SC with two gals I had fucked dancing at same time! Is that syncronicity or not? Then on way out I noticed F sitting at the bar. I guess when it rains it pours. One thing is that girls talk and they will ask another dancer who sees you walking down from VIP with her afterwards "What did you get off of him, how big was his dick, did he get you off, was he easy to service." So if some strange girl comes up to out of the blue "I like to play too" don't be surprised. I had this happen to me while waiting for P and the girl said "well I do the same thing she does and we can go in CR so she won't see us. She's in the dressing room anyhow so why wait"<br />
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My current fav I have done her both itc and otc. As a matter of fact our first experience was itc in the CR. I did one gal (Cl) at one club (HB) with a manager not 12 feet away. I have done them itc with a gal talking with the DJ on the other side of the wall. So I am not fazed by loud goings on. At this level I have also got POP down either thru negotiation or frequent flyer status. I generally try to do them otc nowadays as horror stories about LE raids have tapered my itc lust. But I can certainly attest to the thrill of itc especially Cl who I did at Sugars one time. It is almost like a scene from a movie that was scripted in. I came into the club (after calling her from the office I was on my way) and here was thi dark haired Cl, tan, super bod in only a skimpy white g string on stage. I immediately tipped her and we then went into the VIP room and had great sex (not our first session).<br />
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Currently I have settled on trying to do mainly this one girl I have been seeing for over 2 years. As she is a young married stripper housewife / student she has been one of the best mistresses I have had from the SC hobby. My spending on her eats up a lot of cash which would go for standard activities but POP has been as low as $100. My first otc session with her cost $300 so don't expect to get them for $100 the first time. She told me she would rather do this (meet clients otc) than dance at her current club (Gold Cup).<br />
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Don't get me wrong, you don't have to do them otc or itc if thats not your bag. Its just a hobby and its only money. Its your call on how you enjoy it. Irregardless, you will be eventually be hit on by gals who do extras wanting to make much more than the usual $20 a dance. They may proposition you verbally or in a more direct way with their hands or mouth. Be ready and remember its better to negotiate price before hand than after. The idea of otc sex can be scary for a newbie but let me tell you none of us know how much longer we have on this Earth. Once you gain otc experience your SC skillset will grow.<br />
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Bingo! I can't beleive I actually agree with microbrain about something. This is why I always refer to the OP as "Payer11" instead of "Player11".
Of course I can't bother reading the OP's post which is way too long, but what level would I put Payer at? Below standard? Below newb? Hell I'd just rate him "insane rambler". It's just too bad his income is so low he cannot afford decent treatment for his conditions.
I guess I understand the concept of "player" - but I'm not sure it's universal terminology among strippers.
In my neighborhood, the girls might describe a guy with money, a hard dick, and a notion to do something about it as "fun". The girls might say, "he's fun", meaning his goal is to whip it out and stick it in...and pay an appropriate sum for doing that. Or they might ask me, "you wanna' have fun?"..meaning we can go in VIP, I won't play keep-away with my fuck hole, and we'll have reasonably good sex...usually at working girl prices.
Maybe the "player" moniker is reserved for those dudes who have so much influence over a dancer that it causes her to suddenly have sex with him, where she has never has sex with any customer before. Maybe she does it for free just because he is "the player".
As far as being a Player or not, I don't know any dancers who are pros who are falling for any line of bs that doesn't include some cash but I do know some who probably offer OTC but not to everyone. So there may be room for a claim to being more adept at getting that action with the right words and atitude. I, for instance, may be "too nice" or not show the proper disregard for my money to get the right girls interested...
You are going to pay them anyway, you might as well pay the ones who will screw your brains out. True, my 8 may be your 5, but beauty is all in the eye of the beholder. I am lucky to occasionaly have sex with some of these girls. Player11 is just better/luckier than we are.
Haters Gonna Hate
Listen up kids.
Everyone hating on this man is either jealous or needs to get laid as much as this man does.
My idea of beauty is different from yours and unless you are actually getting a birds eye view on the women he is fucking, you cannot say shit, and even then, as long as he finds them attractive, that is all that matters.
Continue to spend your thousands of dollars on so called "hot" strippers.
I see 3 things here, this man having fun doing exactly what we all do and try to do, posting on here adding to the discussion and board and a bunch of whiny old men who act like teenagers.
I've been on here a few months and knew exactly what he meant by "player".
When the girls play, it is OTC,ITC. Therefore, if you play with them, you are a player.
He is not pretending to be a ladies man, he specifically states in his post "Its just a hobby and its only money. Its your call on how you enjoy it. " Words to live by.
As I had said before.
Play on Player, Let the haters keep hating.
So this is a message to him, If I never respond to you, It is because you are ignored.
My advice, old man.
Grow up and get laid more!
Indeed. Guess your idea of beauty, like Payer's, includes $60 crack whores. No thanks!
Get your head out of your ass, and start using the little pea-sized brain in it.
lay·er
   /ˈpleɪər/ Show Spelled[pley-er] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a person or thing that plays.
2.
a person who takes part or is skilled in some game or sport.
3.
a person who plays parts on the stage; an actor.
4.
a performer on a musical instrument.
5.
Informal . a participant, as in a conference or business deal.
6.
a sound- or image-reproducing machine: a record player; a cassette player; a videodisc player.
7.
a gambler.
8.
Slang . a person engaged in illicit or illegal activity, especially a pimp.
9.
a mechanical device by which a musical instrument, as a player piano, is played automatically.
Stop acting childish, Mike. It's not becoming of a man.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.ph…
"A male who is skilled at manipulating ('playing') others, and especially at seducing women by pretending to care about them, when in reality they are only interested in sex. Possibly derived from the phrases "play him for a fool", or "play him like a violin". The term was popularized by hip-hop culture, but was commonly recognized among urban American blacks by the 1970s."
Now what is Payer11's MO? He pay $60 crack whores (just have a look at his photo album for examples of how scary some of these "women" look) $60 for sex.
Does paying a $60 crack whore $60 for sex make him a master of seduction? Time for the OP to drop the "player" moniker altogether.
I think there might be some more levels of activity when it comes to SCs. There are the guys that just go in to have drinks and tip at perv row. Others only take it as far as talking to the girls at their table but no LDs. Then there are levels of experience...First timers to SCs. Guys with some experience but haven't pushed any boundaries. Guys that have learned which girls will break the rules. Etc. Etc.....
All in all its about having a good time.
In my straight life in the Western Canadian oil patch I may be a very minor 'player', but, so what? We are all 'players' to someone or something somewhere, even if it is just to the mites eating our discarded skin in our beds.
Now, an '86 Trans Am with T-roof and hood bird decal? Way cool!
I cannot believe the pettiness someone like Dougster is having with a simple definition. I am beginning to believe he is actually a she (one of the Bitches of SW) impersonating a SC patron. The SC Hobby of having fun and chasing extras girls is a game with its own strategies and rules. I pay good money to enjoy the SC hobby and the girls I have done. So if one plays the game, one is a Player - its as simple as that. I do believe the recession has driven POP down to the $100 level.
Payer: "Hey, $60 crack whore. Will you have sex with me for $60?"
Crack Whore: "Why yes, I am a $60 crack whore after all."
Payer: "Great, on my limited income that is all I can afford for the next three months."
Crack Whore: "You truly are a grand master to have planned out it out so well."
Thanks for posting this.
RD
Thur nite I went to the SE Houston extras club not 15 minitues from my house basically just to chill as it had been a stressful week. Not there 5 minutes, a gril was announced on stage 1, F (who I had done itc awhile back). I tipped her on both stage 1 and 2 (determined to have her again), fighting off another gal hustling me at my table putting my hand on her boobs while fondling my crotch. She was sexy as hell. But I was determined to have a go at her. I had to leave the table as F (slender blonde spinner around 30, modest bust) got off stage and walked towards her. She asked "well are you taking her upstairs (VIP)." I very firmly said no and she said smiling (flattered?) "Well lets go, we will start with a couple of dances and see where it goes from there." We went to the upstairs VIP pass the bar there which had dancers (that play probably) and a couple of custies, an area with gaming machines to right and a very sexy gal in bik on couch in sexy pose smiling at us as we walked by (why fool with them on floor downstairs?) and in to the darker area and she made a couch fort. Two dances later (2 at $20) I offered her $100 for FS. She agreed and what was enjoyed was DFK, CBJ, HJ, CG (covered sex). It was great and I fucked her for a long time no rush and she got off 2 or three times. At end I tipped her $40, got her phone number, gave her mine along with my business card I use for SC's (first name only). I plan to go back to c her. She did indicate she would alos meet otc. I had not seen her in awhile as I have been seeing another girl that danced there on a steady basis.
More like low standards which is forced upon him due to his extremely low income. Just have a look at his photo album. Scary!
"You may think that you're a player, but you're completely lost."
Payer11: " in retrospect I possibly should have used the term Hobbyist"
No duh!
PAYER11 LOSES AGAIN!
YOU MAY THINK THAT YOU'RE A PLAYER, BUT YOU'RE COMPLETELY LOST!
I bow to your obvious prowess and success in pursuing extras and I can hardly be the one to question your financial prowess but your foray into "psychiatric diagnosis" [anal retentive] is woefully lacking.
Here for your [and other tusclers] dining and dancing pleasure are SOME of the 18 diagnostic criteria for NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER:
Seeks to be the center of attention
Tends to be arrogant, haughty, or dismissive
Seems to treat others primarily as an audience to witness own importance, brilliance, etc
{but Is articulate, can express self well in words]
Tends to be controlling
Tends to be competitive with others [consciously or unconsciously]
Tends to be critical of others
Tends to get into power struggles
Tends to hold grudges, may dwell on insults or slights for long periods
Tends to feel misunderstood, mistreated, or victimized
Tends to react to criticism with feelings of rage or humiliation
Tends to blame others for own failures or shortcomings
Has little empathy, unable to understand others' feelings or needs unless they coincide with his/her own
Obviously, many people show some or many of these traits at certain times of their lives or in certain circumstances but only those with NPD show most of these traits consistently across many circumstances and over their lifetime.
P.S. Dougster, I've turned you off [ignore] and if you PM me I'll delete it unread. I've dealt with enough NPDs to predict your response.
Jeez S, if that's what you're finding in the clubs you regularly visit, best find some new playgrounds...lol Only people worse to associate with are sociopaths/antisocials and borderlines.
Actually, Narcissistic PD is scheduled to be dropped from the list of personality disorders in the next edition of psychiatry's diagnostic manual.
The running joke is that there are too many NPDs in positions of power and influence in the US; a few of them sit on the committee that's revising the manual :) Too embarrassing for many of the movers and shakers to obviously show signs of a "mental disorder"
Since joker44 seems to have an interest in psychology, he might benefit from reading the definition of passive aggressive personality disorder sometime.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissisti…
Guess, joker44 is just making shit up, sly joker that he is. :-)
Considering Backpage call girls in my area are offering $60 specials, $100 for CFS is a fair offer.
http://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=14…
"I have done dancers otc for $25-$300"
Geez, $25? And here I was giving him "credit" as it were for at least insisting on $60 crack whores. I guess as long it moves and will have sex for money, Payer11 is "game".
But that is just one of many gems from Payer11. Besides malignant narcissism, Payer11 likely has OCD. You can bet he knows exactly how many times he has had sex with every girl he has, what the exact prices, and exact dates were, and what the average cost, overall was right down to the dollar.
His ideas of stripper psychology are just dandy too. Included in this is his theory the he is not only them out by giving them $25, but that they also actually enjoy having sex with him due to their longing for "different dick" and especially from someone like him with his "better genes".
Yep, a true whack job, in my books, but hey, maybe I'm wrong, because txtittyfan's has also seen his posts and just considers Payer11 to be a "nice guy". (My opinion: if Payer11 is a "nice guy" I am sure glad I'm not one.)
You are going to pay them anyway, you might as well pay the ones who will screw your brains out. True, my 8 may be your 5, but beauty is all in the eye of the beholder. I am lucky to occasionaly have sex with some of these girls. Player11 is just better/luckier than we are.
My words exactly