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Earn Respect by Giving Respect

Monday, December 29, 2014 12:00 AM
I was sitting at the bar of a nice gentleman's club in the Carolina's when a group of about eight young men walked in with smiles of anticipation and encouraging back slaps. As I watched them pass through the door check, not one of the young men left so much as a dollar with the front desk girl and her eye roll was not an encouraging sign. The head of floor security walked over and offered to show them to a table, a handsome gesture I thought. They followed him to a table less than five feet from the stage and hooted at their good fortune. Again, not one dollar left their hands and the floor man walked away with a hard to define look. Time, drinks and dancers passed as the young men enjoyed themselves and handed over their money with no hesitation. Eventually, one of the young men noticed that they were not being served as often as other tables and their drinks took longer to arrive. All of this delivered in a voice just over loud for the circumstances. The young man rose and headed to the bar, obviously intent on getting this service issue resolved. He flopped down in the chair next to mine and started making gestures for attention to the bartender. When she looked my way, I winked and shook my head. She gave no notice of having seen me but walked the other way. The young man was now headed for a temper tantrum and a quick exit, so I leaned over and said,"Would you rather get thrown out on your ass or learn how to get the service you think you deserve?" He looked at me with equal parts of uncertainty and bad attitude before uttering the standby of today's youth. "Fuck you, old man", he said and smiled as he enjoyed his courage. I smiled in return and watched as the floor chief leaned over the young man and began a lengthy one sided low toned conversation. The young man's expression quickly faded into one of extreme discomfort and perhaps a touch of something else. The security chief straightened, gave me a quick shrug and walked a few steps away. To his credit, the young man turned to me and immediately offered me an apology for his behavior and asked if I could forgive him. I assured him that his apology was accepted and nothing more need be said as honor had been satisfied on both sides. The last part might have gone over his head. He then asked me what I meant about learning to get service and would I mind telling him? "I am happy to share what I know with you and it will not take long, so listen carefully.", I said with an even tone. "Look around you", I said, "everyone you see, except customers, is working for tips." He looked at me blankly and said, "So?". I sighed, sure that I had never been this slow. "How many people have you tipped since you got here?", I asked. He replied quickly, "Every dancer I talked with or..." "That is my point." as I interrupted. "What about the front door girl?, What about the floor security men? What about the bartenders and servers?". His mouth almost dropped open and he said,"But I don't have enough money to tip them all!". "Look", I said, "no one expects young fellows to have a ton of cash but that does not mean you can't offer something." "I guarantee you that offering the floor chief or door girl a five dollar bill will get you more respect than it does me, do you understand?" He astonished me by saying, "You mean the act of giving is more important than the amount, as long as it is not insulting." "Exactly correct.", I said. "These people know with a five second glance that if I am handing out ones and fives that I am offering little respect. Conversely, if I come in and greet the door girl with a ten dollar bill, the floor chief with a twenty and so forth, then I am behaving with respect for them and that they will remember." He looked at me for a few seconds and nodded his head. He rose to leave and offered me his hand, saying "Thank you, sir. I appreciate your kindness." I stood also, in respect for him, and shook his hand. This byplay did not go unnoticed I was certain. As I rose for the last time to leave, the security chief appeared with my coat and helped me into it with a smile. He shook his head and pushed my hand down gently when I reached for my pocket. "Enjoy your evening, sir and hurry back." as he held the door for me. I offered my salutations and tthe very patient young lovely whose gentle stroking of my leg never faltered.

19 comments

  • Papi_Chulo
    10 years ago
    Good points and a worthwhile POV. But I am not sure about the floor guy; the door girl; and bartender; working *solely* on tips – I assume; although I can be wrong; that these folks are paid a salary of at least minimum wage if not more – although I can see them definitely appreciating tips – but it’s not like dancers and waitresses which I assume rely *solely* on tips and should def be tipped. IMO – this tipping thing has gotten a bit out of hand where many a place/employees (even outside of SCs) expect a tip. Personally I don’t even like the tip system and to the best of my knowledge is not even used in Europe or other parts of the world. I think this tipping thing is a way for businesses to shift the burden of employee cost/salary onto customers - and this tip thing is a bit out of hand in that in today’s U.S. society one is expected to tip even if the service is bad or else one is shamed or made to feel as if they are a bad person. I don’t like spending $$$ on what I don’t need nor want – I don’t want to be tipping the guy who takes my car keys (I can and prefer to park myself); I don’t want to have to tip the guy opening the door for me (I can open the door myself); I don’t want to tip the guy showing me to a seat (I can do that myself); I don’t what to tip the guy who just hands me a piece of paper towel in the bathroom to dry my hands (I can do that myself). Services should be consumed by those whom want them and they should pay for them – services should not be thrust upon everyone and expect everyone to pay up even if they are not interested in the service.
  • snowtime
    10 years ago
    Papi, I couldn't agree more with your comments. They are spot on. Tipping in this country has gotten way out of hand. It is certainly a way for the business owner to shift the financial burden. I travel a lot and always tip the motel rooms maids. I suspect most people do not do this but routinely tip the bellman, bartenders, waitresses. I am convinced that the maids are the hardest working and least paid employees in the club. I rarely use the services of bellmaen or bartenders so tipping them is not an issue. At the clubs, I tip those dancers that appeal to me. I don't think I have ever tipped a bouncer. I am sure he is paid more than minimum and probably gets a cut of dancer tips. The "tip out" structure in most strip clubs is a complex system. I don't understand it either. If the tax guys ever figured it out they would have a field day.
  • jackslash
    10 years ago
    I tip the valet. I tip the waitress. I tip the bathroom troll. I tip dancers if they do something special for me, like motorboating. I tip the bouncer who escorts me and the stripper into a VIP booth. Isn't that enough tipping? I don't tip the man who opens a door for me or shows me a table. I don't tip the shot girl who wants me to buy her a shot. I don't tip dancers who just walk around on stage and don't do anything for me.
  • Holdem2
    10 years ago
    I agree with you Papi. This story has a nice moral to it, but seems fictional. Why tip staff $40 or more unless you are getting something in return. Give the waitress a couple extra bucks for drinks yeah, but who cares about the doorman unless I need extras in the VIP and he can help me?
  • just4fun2
    10 years ago
    Jack - I also tip the folks you mention - especially the bouncers. I also tip the DJ and I have occasionally bought the DJ a drink. In my experience the gestures go a long way.
  • Xeinok
    9 years ago
    I used to tip this bartender that work at my local strip club. But she has gotten really disrespectful toward me because I was friend with the manager and DJ of that club for a very long time that she thought she could talk to me the same way as they do. I know for a fact that in most strip clubs, the strippers usually take care of the bartender and the DJ before they go home, so by tipping the dancers well in a way that you are actually helping the DJ and the bartender as long as the dancers didn't stiff them at the end.
  • rogertex
    9 years ago
    Tip all you want and who you want. I tip folks for good service too. Here's a useful guide: Parking attendant: None if there is a parking fee. Else $1-$2. Doorgirl: $2 if she smiles and mentions specials of the day. Bouncer: Non existent in Texas. Other places I have tipped $2-$5 for out of ordinary acts. Waitress: $1 & change per drink. 20% for food - if service is prompt and delivery is accurate. Bathroom Troll: $1 for sink/towel service. $2 if I pick up a gum/freshner. DJ: None, unless I send him a play request through a dancer ($5) Manager: None. Chef: $5 if the food was well prepared (through waitress) Dancer: Everything gets spent here. Tip on stage if performance is good ($2-$5). Tip when sitting on my lap if her stories (SS) are good and her seduction is good ($2-$20). (Lap Dances are priced per club rules and not considered tipping) However, the OPs story (made up, I presume) does not explain why the young customers got "no service". They paid their cover, and parking and paid for drinks, and dances and stage shows. Sure if someone did something exceptional - these kids would have tipped too. Also: Tipping should be done "after" exceptional service. OPs story seems to teach us "ordinary service" should follow tipping - and "good service" would only follow excessive tipping. This "tipping" crap should not extend its boundaries. Once it gets annoying to the point that a customer is not able to enjoy the main event - it'll go the China/Japan route (no tipping anywhere). Name this damned club. I'll put on my blacklist.
  • Xeinok
    9 years ago
    This is my response to rogertex's comment. As far as I am concern, I don't think any managers at anywhere are allow to accept tips for any reason. Also I agree that tipping shouldn't be mandatory, just like in real life when you dine in a restaurant and if your server are pretty lousy and have terrible customer skill, they don't deserve a tip period.
  • Aster007
    9 years ago
    I am used to tipping almost everyone....even then I hardly get any good service. It's like unless you are a regular or an old man, you will not be noticed much anyways. The tipping thing has pissed me off so much that I am skeptical about generously tipping unless the server is really good these days. A month back I was in El Paso in Cabaret Club and I was approached by a stripper for a dance to which I agreed. As soon as we sat at the table for a dance, another girl who was serving drinks followed and asked if I wanted to buy a drink for the stripper. I was okay with that as i wanted a good dance from the stripper. The waitress charged me freaking $8 for the drink. I took the $2 back and didn't tip her to which she was pissed at me later. She actually said that "you don't tip" shit to me later. First, the drink you got was $8 which was far more than what the bartender charged as I had taken the same drink earlier and it cost me like $2. Why would I tip for an overcharged drink and that too you came and asked and for the stripper and even not for me. These guys working at the clubs are real gold diggers and expect tip for some crappy service and overpriced stuff. Sorry, but I have just lost my slight inclination to tip anyone.
  • georgmicrodong
    9 years ago
    I don't tip anyone whose sole "service" is to take my money, like the door attendant. I will tip anyone who who renders actual service. Bartenders, dancers, waitresses all get them. Bouncers and DJs hereabouts are paid by the club and/or get graft...er, I mean tip out by the dancers. One of the local bartenders never charged me for my water or coke, even refills, so she gets a larger tip. One of the bouncers walked me out to my car with his umbrella during a deluge one time, so he gets something from me most times as well.
  • ncstripsnob
    9 years ago
    I tend to agree with most of the comments except one. Tipping in a restaurant is routine given reasonable service so why should a SC be different? I have no inside knowledge of how the workers are paid and don't care. For me a tip is an opportunity to say thanks and most often I say a lot more thanks to my dancer than the floor guy. Better to err on the side of courtesy than otherwise, the paybacks are much better. z Thanks for all the comments I enjoyed the different perspectives.
  • Tiredtraveler
    9 years ago
    Tipping should by no means mandatory and the original post says the service was slower not non existent. If you cannot afford a dollar here and there then maybe you should not be out clubbing. I do tend to withhold tips for girls who push for a tip for nothing or crappy service but I do always tip the bouncer in lap dance area so he minds his own business. Tipping the parking lot guy is always a good idea so he watches your vehicle. I tip the bathroom guy a dollar if the bathroom is kept clean.Tipping you waitress ensures good service or will keep her away until you want her which is just important. If you tip all these people a $1 or $2 and maybe $5 for the lap dance bouncer you are looking at an additional $10 to $20 over the course of the evening is a minimal cost for getting the staff on your side. Many times I see young 'studs' come to a club and think they own the place and the very young dancers will hang around with them even though they are not buying anything, the waitresses don't like to serve them because they don't tip and play grab ass. I am an old fart and I most always tip my waitress, they usually get flirty etc. and will want to have fun with you. Always remember money is the worlds most powerful aphrodisiac.
  • PhantomGeek
    9 years ago
    Hmm. I thought beautiful women, especially the nekkid kind, were the world's most powerful aphrodisiac.
  • warhawks
    9 years ago
    Around my home town (Detroit) here is my usual tipping chart: Valet: Usually costs $6 or $7. I'll usually just give them a $10 bill. Door girl: Doesnt really do anything. Unless you wear a coat in (which I rarely ever do), then it's a buck or two for coat check. Front door/bouncer: Usually asks if you want a booth, table or bar. If you want to sit in a booth, it's usually $20 to him. I've been sitting at the bar most times, especially if by myself (free). Bartenders: Tip a $1 a beer or mixed drink. Barhroom troll, usually $1 (out of all of the tipping, I dislike the bathroom troll the most. It's the most annoying to me). If there is no VIP tax, I'll usually give the bouncer a $5 for the room for my girl and me. I've never tipped a DJ or a house mom. The dancers are supposed to take care of them. I don't buy shots, so the shot girls usually don't get any tips from me because I'm not doing shots. And, of course, if you want, there's always the girls on stage for tips. But I rarely do that. I'd rather get some private $25 dances then give a dancer a bunch of $1's or a $5 or $10 just for dancing on stage in front of everyone. But, that's just me.
  • LeeH
    9 years ago
    Several of the comments here prove that the OP is fictional -- solely because it portrays a young man who's willing to learn. Might as well have added a unicorn to the story. You guys are unbelievable. If it doesn't result in an immediate, tangible advantage to you, you see no value in it. You realize that makes you dumber than most strippers (whose intelligence gets crapped on here a lot)? They know that cultivating a good relationship with you over time will result in more money in the long run. As to the one who talked about waitresses/bartenders and tips, they depend on them greatly. The legal minimum wage gets tossed out the window if you have a job where you receive tips (at least, that's how it "works" here in the US). Most wait staff are given a base pay of between 1/3 and 1/2 of the legal minimum wage. Is it right that employers are shifting to the customer the financial responsibility of their employees? Probably not. But that, my dear, is the way it is. Bitching about it is quixotic. As to specifics: * I'm a sexist. If the door person is female, she gets a tip (even though all she did was take my money). If the door person is male, he gets a "thank you". Similarly, female bartenders generally get bigger tips than male bartenders. (All in all, this makes sense to me. I'm there to see women. Males in SCs are nothing but a necessary evil.) * While I won't make statements about all bouncers, I personally have never met a bouncer who wasn't a self-absorbed asshole with an IQ of negative 23. Only one got any money from me, and that's just because it was the first club I'd ever been in where bouncers "escort" you to VIP rooms -- it's usually waitresses around here. AND he was 10 times more nosy and restrictive than any waitress. First and last VIP in that club.
  • skibum609
    9 years ago
    I will never get why people are so fucking cheap when it comes to tips. The amount is so small, yet makes a difference. Where I go nobody seems to tip the timer attendant for the private rooms. I always slip them $5. Not a lot at all but I notice the following: if my time is done, but I am not, staying an extra 5-8 minutes with the dancer costs nothing; I show up after the cover starts and they waive the $10; make too much noise in the cr so that everyone knows whats going on and no one says anything- I choose the room I want with no questions and lastly, a lot of the dancers are buddies with these guys and when they speak wel of you the dancers treat you well.
  • rockie
    9 years ago
    I tip anyone who provides me something in a strip club. The door girl doesn't get tipped for just looking good, but if she makes change or offers input on who's working - she gets tipped. There are a couple of employees at one club that have treated me well in non tipping situations. When my opportunity knocks and a service is provided - I take care of them and it's been appreciated.
  • Comehomewithme
    9 years ago
    Good God some of you guys are cheap ass.. If $50 bucks is all you have when you walk into a SC..you should be ashamed of yourself. Dont go in with less than a couple hundred if you want to have the good time that you are expecting to have. I blow $500-800 on a weekend clubbing. I tip the people that I need to tip. The head doorman that knows you...tip him. The bartender thats over-serving you..tip her if you want to keep drinking. The really hot dancer thats giving you a woody by just talking to you at the bar for 10 minutes...tip her!! The dancer you've connected with and fulfills your fantasy..tip the crap out of her. But a drink for a dancer...they put more liquor in theirs than yours!! Then drink hers!! Have a good time..spread some dough around..or go home.
  • Estafador
    9 years ago
    If one could hold his jacket, one would do so. How many people actually appreciate the gesture of someone taking your jacket. Its like valet, you do it because it's required not because its awesome. Not everyone wants to be held by the hand, be waited on when they have legs and tip the biuncer for doing his job. Just like the waitress, the bartender and the door person. I won't even get into the bathroom troll. Point is, ifits in your job description, why should i tip you for doing your job. Is the waitress or bartender gonna get me a larger or extra drink? Tips are for services beyond the norm not just the norm. Why not just the cashier at Duane reade a tip every time you go. Matter fact why not give the chef at the club or restaurant a tip because THEY made you delicious food not the waiter/waitress. This whole tipping thing is extremely blown out of proportion and has to be deflated.
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