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9 years ago
I know there's a chance that if I sent her the money I may never hear from her again, but Id be pissed but it wouldn't kill me to lose the money cause it's not a huge amount.
I would do the western union cash option but I'm assuming I have to provide my full name and she would have to know my full name in order to pick it up. I'm just not comfortable with giving out my full name.
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9 years ago
Good point about Pete Rose but keep in mind that while he didn't cheat he still messed with the integrity of the game. If he bet on his team then he would do whatever it takes to win, even if that means leaving a pitcher in too long that could risk him getting hurt. There are times that a manager has to manage with the whole season in mind, not just a particular game.
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9 years ago
You're right, it's not. But when you add all the other stuff to it it makes him at the very least look like he was aware of it happening.
Like I said, there's not one thing that makes Brady look guilty or even possibly guilty. But when you add EVERYTHING together, it makes him look more guilty than not guilty.
Regardless of everyone's differing opinions, I think we can all agree there are some unanswered questions and the league did a shitty job handling this investigation.
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9 years ago
This isn't Brady's fault, but what about the Parriots refusing to let McNally get interviewed after his texts were uncovered? That is refusing to cooperate with an investigation and they should be penalized for that. Looks to me like they are afraid McNally would have talked and told everything.
I suppose it's possible that after the Jets game (the game that the refs inflated to balls to 16 PSI) Brady was pissed and told those two something like "I don't care what you do, but make sure those footballs are at 12.5 PSI before every game, just don't tell me what you do". Sounds a lot like when Barry Bonds and all the other baseball steroid users said "I never KNOWINGLY took steroids". So they felt they could just tell their trainer, "I don't care what you give me, just don't tell me it's steroids and then I can't get in trouble because I didn't know".
And if Brady is so innocent, why isn't he making a bigger deal out of it? He said he needs time to read and digest the report. If he wasn't involved in any way then why does he need to "digest" the report?
Brady's agent said during a radio interview this morning that Brady laughed about the text message conversations and said he knew exactly what those two were talking about and said it was just locker room humor or something like that. Well Brady told investigators that he didn't know who McNally was so why would those texts make sense to Brady?
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9 years ago
I know he's won four Super Bowls, but he won three quick and then went about ten years before he won number four. I'm just saying that during those ten years he didn't play well in most of those games.
I'm not saying he's 100% guilty, but there is enough evidence to suspend him for a game or two. Roethlisberger was never charged and he got suspended for what, 4 games? Granted his alleged crime was 1,000 times worse than Brady but it was proven that he did anything (And no I'm not a Steelers fan. I'm embarrassed to admit I'm a Browns fan).
Sean Payton got suspended for Bountygate and he didn't have anything to do with it.
And if Brady doesn't notice the football why was he so pissed about it being over inflated in the game against the Jets? Why did he go through all the trouble of getting to league to let the QB's doctor the footballs leading up to the week of the game? I thought he didn't have time to notice how a football felt during a game.
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9 years ago
&Rick, I'll admit that part of the reason I don't like Brady is because he is good. And I admit it's impressive and respectable that he has never been in any trouble off the field. But please don't tell me he never whines to the refs. It seems like any time he gets hit after a throw he looks at the ref asking for a flag.
I realize he is one of the best QB's of all time. But I think people overlook that he has played in a crap division pretty much all of his career. He is great in the regular season but he had a pretty big stretch of being average in the playoffs.
And as far as there being enough evidence:
1. One of the locker room attendants referred to himself as "the deflator"
2. Brady didn't cooperate with the investigation by not turning in his phone. He also may have lied during the interview. He claims he never heard of McNally.
3. He didn't talk to JJ on the phone for six months and then as soon as they find out about the investigation he starts talking to him on the phone over the next few days. Don't you find it odd that a locker room attendant would text Tom Brady at 7:30 in the morning the day after the AFC championship asking Brady to call him, and then Brady calls him within 5 minutes?
4. Brady met with one of the attendants in the QB room a couple days after the game. And Brady had never invited him to this room before, so why now? Brady says it was to thank him for his work and talk about prepping the balls for the super bowl but why would they need to have this conversation in private?
@Minnow, yes, some of the 4 Colts balls was below the minimum, but they checked them with two different gauges. All four Colts balls was within the legal range according to at least one of the gauges. All 12 of the Patriots footballs failed BOTH gauges. And like I said, it's not like both the Colts and the patriots football lost half a pound of PSI eah. The Colts only lost about a half a pound while the Patriots lost a full pound. So even if your theory is correct, why would the Patriots footballs lose more air naturally than the Colts did?
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9 years ago
@Rick. At least you admit that you are biased, I respect that. I'll admit that I don't like Brady or the Patriots at all, so I am biased the other way. The main thing that bugs me is people think Brady is squeaky clean. I guarantee you he acts differently around his teammates then he acts around the media. But then again, I'm sure many of us PL's act differently I. A strip club then we do around our Significant others/friends/families.
I also just New Englan media, most of them just kiss up so badly to New England teams that they can't even fathom that some of them try to cheat or get an edge. It's pretty obvious David Ortiz has done steroids and he acts like a prick (interuppting his manager press conference a few years ago to complain about not getting credited with an RBI for example). And a couple years ago when Clay Bucholz put sun screen on his forearm so he could put it in the ball, someone in the media (I think it was Dennis Ecketsly) actually said he didn't cheat because "he's too good to cheat and doesn't need to cheat". What about Barry Bonds and Alex Rodriguez? They had hall of fame talent before steroids and they still cheated. Let's face it, most athletes try to get an edge one way or another.
I just wanted Brady suspended for one game. To me fining him $25K wouldn't do anything. But I think suspense sing him the same amount of games as someone who took steroids or beat a woman or assaulted on just sends the wrong message.
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9 years ago
@Rick, Look at this from another perspective. What if this happened to Payton Manning a few years ago when he was on the Colts? Imagine if this came out after a playoff game against the Patriots, don't you think all the Patriots fans that are supporting Brady would all of a sudden demand a suspension for Manning?
@Minnow, I really hope your last post was meant to be sarcastic. That is the weakest defense of all. Yes the tire thing is true, but how is it that the weather would cause the Patriots footballs to deflate but NOT the Colts footballs?
I know that hypothetically if the Colts footballs started at higher PSI than the Patriots that the Colts could lose air and still be above 12 PSI. But the investigation accounted for this. They said the Patriots footballs lost air at a greater rate (percentage) than the Colts did. So your theory just doesn't work. What's next, are you gonna say the lost air from Gronk spiking them?
Also, the investigators only rowers able to recover the texts and call logs from the two locker room guys after they had already intwrvied them a few times. Once they recovered the data they asked the Patriots if they could interview them again to ask them about the texts and the Patriots refused. Sounds like they are trying to hide something. Also the biggest red flag of all is one of the Guys called himself the Deflator. That's a pretty odd thing to call yourself that unless you are actually doing it.
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9 years ago
Good point, it would be very difficult to prove that Belacheat wasn't aware of it if Brady told him about it in person when they were alone instead of through a text or phone call.
My thing is, if you were Brady and facing these accusations and you were truly innocent, wouldn't you turn in your cell phone so they could review your texts to prove you had no knowledge of it? Yes, it's giving up your privacy but it would also clear his name. Sounds to me like he's hiding something.
I really hope he gets suspended but I doubt it will happen for a few reasons:
1. Robert Kraft has done a lot for the NFL and suspending Brady would be punishing Kraft. Kraft was very vocal in his support of Goodell during the Ray Rice clusterfuck.
2. The Patriots open the season on a Thursday against the Steelers. Would the NFL really suspend the starting quarterback of the defending champs? What would that say about the NFL? "Yeah, this first game is about celebrating the Patriots championship (raising the flag etc) but oh by the way, we have suspended their QB for cheating last year".
3. They hardly suspended Ray Rice at first but yet they would suspend Brady for a game or two over a fairly minor level of cheating?
I really want him suspended and I hope Belicheat gets suspended too even though he supposedly had no knowledge. The Captain of a ship is held accountable for all actions on their ship even if they were unaware. A head coach should be treated the same.
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9 years ago
@george, that's a good point. One of the strippers I somewhat regularly see does this. She doesn't really dance or grind at all. She sits on my lap and the first thing she does it out my hand on her tits and then does some DFK. She basically just sits there while I feel her up and then once we get into the second song she starts giving me a HJ.
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9 years ago
Sorry for the bad formatting, I really wish we could edit our posts. Anyway here it is with good formatting:
I saw Papi's discussion on the wheel barrow dance move and it got me thinking, what is your favorite move that a stripper does on stage and what is your favorite move they do during a lap dance?
I dont really have a favorite stage move but my favorite lap dance move is when a girl is sitting on me facing away from me and grinding and then slowly leaning back while Imsqueezing her tits. I love it when they keep leaning back until their head is next to mine, it pretty much appeals to all the senses: I get a good look down her body, am able to squeeze her tits and (if shes willing) easy access to finger her, and its very sensual.
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9 years ago
They are all good but if I had to rank them I prefer under boob more than side boob but the head-on cleavage is best, especially when it's down blouse cleavage when they bend over. I remember one time when I was at Disney World as a kid (I couldn't have been older than 13) I saw a woman bending over while she was doing something with her baby in a stroller. Well she didn't have a bra on and I had an unobstructed view of her nipples, probably the first nipples I ever saw (at least in person).
One of the advantages of being tall is when a girl with nice cleavage is walking in front of me, I can get a good look down her shirt as I walk by.
Of course don't forget about the Seinfeld episode where George gets caught checking out the cleavage of a guy's daughter. Jerry then tells him that "looking at cleavage is like looking at the sun. You don't stare at it, it's too risky. You get a sense of it and then you look away." Classic.
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9 years ago
I agree with everyone else. In no way does it mean that she is attracted to you, all she cares about is the money. That being said, I would imagine most dancers won't have sex with a guy that they find repulsive (B.O., dirty clothes, extremely old or obese, etc) but they have no problems having sex with a guy that they don't find attractive as long as they have good hygiene. Also, your attitude probably has a lot to do with it too. If you are rude or disrespectful she would be less likely to give extras.
As far as dancer giving you extras without you asking for it or asking for extra payment, that is common (at least at the club I go to). Yes, it theoretically could me she finds you attractive is is horny enough to want to give you extras without asking for money, but I'm sure that's pretty rare, even if she is attracted to the guy. If she gives the guy a BJ or fucks him without wanting additional money in return then that would mean you would expect that on every visit, so she won't do that.
It is much more likely that they give you extras without you asking or without asking for money for several reasons:
1. If she is worried about getting busted by undercover LE, then she is being more cautious by not asking. If she comes out and says "I'll give you a BJ for an extra $50" then it would be easy for LE to bust her. If she gives you a BJ on her own and you tip her after the VIP time then LE can't bust her since she never had a conversation about money for a BJ.
2. By her not asking if you want a BJ or FS, she is making you feel like are are a special customer or like she is making an exception for you. The first time I got FS ITC with my ATF (after I had been getting HJ's from her for a couple months) she acted discreet while we fucked and said its the first time she ever had sex in the club. No way I believed her, especially since she had been a dancer for quite a while at this club.
3. Some dancers feel that if they are they aren't a prostitute if they don't offer you sex for money.
I never had to ask for anything from my ATF, she gave me the HJ all on her own and we just worked out way up to FS. She never specified a price, I always just tipped her when we were done. When I got FS from her the first time I did ask her how much more it was going to cost me and she just said "do you want to rip me more?" and we left it at that.
I've also gotten BBBJ's with CIM from a dancer without me asking and without her asking for extra. I don't consider myself above average looking so I know in the real world I would have no chance with them. That's what's so great about SC's, an average looking guy can hook up with a 10.
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9 years ago
Thanks for all the tips, definitely won't make the same mistake again.
Part of the reason it also got stale is because when I first started seeing her, she gave the best lap dances I had experienced. all the dancers allow full two way contact and most let you suck their tits but her dances were always just a little better. I always got HJ's from her in the VIP and eventually gingered her in VIP before I finally got FS from her. At first while she was the only dancer I had gotten FS from, I had gotten dances from lots of other dancers. A while after I got FS I eventually got FS from two other dancers ITC. I think that caused me to realized the ATF wasn't quite as good as I made her out to be.
Dont get me wrong, she is gorgeous but part of what drew her to me was how much can she let me do to her. Once I started getting it from two other dancers for a lot less money I realized it wasn't worth it even more, even if it's quick FS ITC with the other dancers. The ATF has a gorgeous face and her tits look incredible (firm natural 36C with dark aereolas) I got a little tired of them I guess. They are natural but very firm so they aren't as fun to squeeze as some of the other dancers :)
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10 years ago
I've had a few.
1. The first time I went to the VIP room at my first visit to my now favorite club, I had gotten dances from a few different girls. I knew this club was fully nude and two way full contact for laps dances but I didn't know it was an extras club (and it's definitely not a dive club either). So I went to the VIP room with a dancer and I was surprised when she pulled out my dick and started giving me a HJ without asking me or asking for extra money. When I look back at it now I wouldn't be surprised cause a HJ is yhe bear minimum that you can expect in the VIP, and most girls only charge extra for anything above a HJ.
2. This was in a lap dance booth and not the VIP room but on my second visit I was getting some lap dances from a blonde with large natural tits. Part way through the first song she asked if I had ever titty fucked anyone before. I said I hadnt but I always wanted to. She then said that i could titty fuck her in the VIP room. I can't remember how much extra it was but she did as promised. I was surprised how direct she was considering I wasnt a regular at this point.
#3. I had gotten some lap dances from a dancer in her early thirties (fantastic body, great feeling natural tits with pierced nipples and an incredibly soft ass) on a couple previous visits. On this visit she asked if I was interested in the VIP room. I was hoping to titty fuck her so I figured I would get a HJ and then I could ask her if I could titty fuck her. To my surprised after she took out my dick she started giving me a BBBJ (and she did not ask for anything above the house fee and the standard 15 minute dancer fee). Part way through I asked her where I should cum (she didn't grab any napkins) and she said I could cum anywhere and she started listed off places I could cum such as her tits. I asked if I could cum in her mouth and she said I could. So I had a BBBJ with CIM for the standard VIP room price. Of course I tipped her well though.
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10 years ago
@Dolfan I agree about the girl (Charlotte McKinney) at the bottom, she would definitely be my choice.
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10 years ago
I'm assuming you've already read reviews on the club and you have read that extras are available in the VIP room. Aside from that, yes make sure you know what is included. At the club I go to I've been the the VIP room with 8 different dancers. A couple were very direct without me having to ask anything. one of them said it was x amount but was all inclusive, she didn't lie. Two others said I could titty fuck them and cum on their tits for x amount. The others i didn't need to negotiate ahead of time, I could tell they wouldn't disappoint in the VIP room. So ive gotten FS from 3 of them, a BBBJ from a 4th, and the rest were combination titty fuck or HJ's. I've also gotten dances from other girls that have mentioned they give a happy ending or would make sure I cum in the VIP room. I didn't take all of them up in their offers but Im sure they weren't lying.
I have been lucky in that extras are very prevalent at the SC I started going to. I knew the club allowed full two way contact but I didn't know extras were common. So for the first few months I was satisfied with a HJ or titty fuck in VIP. Now that I know FS is also available I probably would have tried to get it from some of the dancers I saw when I first started going.
I recommend you get dances from a few different dancers first. That gives you the opportunity to see how much they allow during a dance and also allows the opportunity to negotiate.
Aside from that, see if you can sit near the VIP entrance for a little bit and watch how the dancers and customers act while they go in and out. Look for dancers who grab napkins before they go in. Also when they exit is the PL walking funny or going straight to the bathroom. Those are signs that extras have taken place.
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10 years ago
@shadowcat, the "I want to practice on you" sounds like a lie she would tell everyone. If she truly wanted to practice on you, shouldn't there be no fee for you?
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10 years ago
Britney Blew was another on of my favorite pornstars. too bad you weren't able to get dances from her. My ATF's tits look pretty similar to hers except hers are a little smaller but real.
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10 years ago
I agree, I think Las Vegas or California strip clubs would be a more common starting point for them since that's where the majority of porns are made.
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10 years ago
And hers a link to some screen caps from the scene I mentioned: http://picsee.net/upload/2014-11-06/thumbnail/f75a49625a90.jpg
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10 years ago
As I've said before, I post my reviews under a different account. In reviews I'm not as direct aboutnwhat happens at the club. On this forum I posting more specifically. I don't want someone (either a dancer or a patron) to be able to figure out who I am by putting together what I say on the forum and what I put in my reviews. I'm probably just being paranoid but it just seems silly to come out and say directly that FS is available at (name of club) instead of just saying something like "the VIP room won't disappoint you and fun can be had.
I'll jusy say that this club is in New England.
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10 years ago
The odds are actually probably pretty small that thst I think about it that you actually would see a girl in a porn that you had seen at a strip club. I also haven't been going to strip clubs long enough or enough different strip clubs in different areas either.
One of my favorite pornstars is Karmen Karma. From what she has said in interviews she used to dance in Pensacola (I've never been there). She looked pretty good earlier in her porn career and she's always had a fantastic ass but she got a boob job last year and now she incredible. I know some guys don't like fake tits but I prefer her fake tits over her natural tits.
She shot a scene for Brazzers where the theme of it is "take your daughter to twerk day". So in the scene the girl playing her mom is a stripper and brings Karmen to work. Karmen starts stripping and then give a lap dance to a guy. Of course she ends up fucking him but it's a hit scene, that would be my ideal LD and ITC FS. i can't help but wonder if she gave extras when she was a dancer. But I find her average looking when she first got into porn and a ten now so I guess it doesn't really matter.
I guess part of me just thinks it would be incredible to come across a pornstar some day and be able to think to yourself that you got dances from her before she got into porn, especially if you were able to fuck her.
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10 years ago
The odds are actually probably pretty small that thst I think about it that you actually would see a girl in a porn that you had seen at a strip club. I also haven't been going to strip clubs long enough or enough different strip clubs in different areas either.
One of my favorite pornstars is Karmen Karma. From what she has said in interviews she used to dance in Pensacola (I've never been there). She looked pretty good earlier in her porn career and she's always had a fantastic ass but she got a boob job last year and now she incredible. I know some guys don't like fake tits but I prefer her fake tits over her natural tits.
She shot a scene for Brazzers where the theme of it is "take your daughter to twerk day". So in the scene the girl playing her mom is a stripper and brings Karmen to work. Karmen starts stripping and then give a lap dance to a guy. Of course she ends up fucking him but it's a hit scene, that would be my ideal LD and ITC FS. i can't help but wonder if she gave extras when she was a dancer. But I find her average looking when she first got into porn and a ten now so I guess it doesn't really matter.
I guess part of me just thinks it would be incredible to come across a pornstar some day and be able to think to yourself that you got dances from her before she got into porn, especially if you were able to fuck her.
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10 years ago
No, I don't know why it did that. I posted that from my iPhone though. The other paste I made earlier in the day was fine so I don't know what happened.
I made a post a few weeks ago and the same thing happened but then it appeared normal later, maybe founder went I and fixed it.