Comments by rickdugan

Btw I copied and pasted most of that too Gam. ;)

Ok Gamm, then educate me. What government benefits do these illegals qualify for which allows them to lounge around popping bon bons? Illegal immigrants do not qualify for social welfare benefits, including SNAP or housing assistance. To the extent that they reside in "mixed status" households, meaning that they have eligible U.S. citizen children, they can receive prorated assistance, but it doesn't usually amount to anywhere close to what is needed for the whole household. Also: (1) they make contributions to their local economies via indirect property tax support (through rent paid to landlords), sales taxes and (for some) state income taxes. Their overall contribution to the economic prosperity of the country, on the whole, far outweighs their costs. We would be sorely fucked without them here doing all of those jobs that I mentioned - which they actually do btw. I speak from ample firsthand knowledge. I don't know what half ass website you get your intel from, but it's half baked crap.

@Ski: I grew up working a variety of hard and dirty jobs, from the time I was 14. I'm the first person in my family to graduate college. But our kids have not been raised like that. Child labor and abuse laws are part of it, but so too are cultural changes and an expanding welfare system. even poor kids nowadays grow up much softer than their parents did. So again, we have to deal with facts on the ground, not with what we wish would happen.

To add, another big problem is that we've made it too easy for our young people to not work these jobs. We hand out free health insurance and SNAP benefits like candy now. WIC and housing assistance too if there's a baby involved. So our uneducated young people can get by working jobs that are just enough to pay their meager rents, like supermarket and gas station gigs. In rural areas with property handed down to them, a lot of young folks barely have to work at all. So we have a generation of young people who would much rather work $15 per hour gas station jobs than dig a ditch in the hot sun on a highway for twice that. The dirtiest and hardest jobs are generally done by people who have to do them because they can't get government handouts, i.e. illegal immigrants. But even assuming that we wiped out the welfare system that makes this absurd shit possible, which will never happen since there is zero political will for that in either political party, we STILL wouldn't have nearly enough young people to fill all of these jobs.

Which native born workers gam? Your kids? Because I know that mine don't want these jobs. Did you also miss the fact that our population is aging you slow fuck? Our immigration system doesn't allow for large numbers of legal full time low skill laborers, which is why we have 12 million illegal immigrants in the first place. So where else are we going to keep getting the labor supply to support an increasing % of retirees and other elderly types, both from a financial contribution standpoint and in more hands on support? You semi-literate xenophobic myopic fucks really need to educate yourselves more before you say such stupid things. Maybe start by Googling information about how the Japanese economy has been doing for the last 20 years. They have no answer to institutionalized aging because, like a few of you on this board, a solid % of their population is highly resistant to immigration. Like too many of you, they don't give a shit what the long-term ramifications are so long as they don't have immigrants infecting their cultural purity.

Whoever says onlyfans or cam, it's not. Online interaction options have been around for the last 25 years, including periods where clubs and online sites were both growing and lucrative. When the tide comes in, it comes in for both the places with in-person entertainment and the content sites. My guess is that it is a confluence of factors. For starters, the industry never completely recovered from the Great Recession and the pandemic was the final knockout punch for the weaker ones. Demographic changes are also playing a role. The population is both aging and moving. Clubs in areas with a decline in affluent members of their local populations seem to be suffering a lot more than clubs in growing locales. Cultural changes are also playing a role. Younger men don't see themselves in the same provider mentality as us older dudes, making dropping large sums of money on a honey less appealing to them. And as others have suggested, local and state governments in many areas are doing everything possible to make their locales inhospitable to clubs. They have become increasingly clever with zoning regs and alcohol licensing, making it functionally impossible to open new clubs in some areas. Finally, if there was one commercial competitor who was also contributing to club declines, IMO it is sugar sites. They all target the same types of guys, affluent provider types who crave in-person interactions. How many guys just on this board have moved a chunk of their spending to sugar babies in the last few years? Seeking and Secret Benefits are far greater threats to strip clubs than a few more content sites, lol.

Skidumb, I'll copy and paste that as many times as you need to process it. ;)

@Skidumb: Don't forget... And commercial construction workers; And residential housebuilding workers; And office/factory cleaners; And restaurant back kitchen workers; And road workers (including in MA); And agricultural farm workers (fruits and vegetables anyone?); And cattle ranch workers; And chicken farm workers; And dairy farm workers; And meat processing plant workers; And seafood processing plan workers; And fishing boat workers... And that's just what comes immediately to mind. So yes, losing the 5% of our workforce that does the hardest and dirtiest jobs that we have would be devastating.

===> "^ What would you do with all the illegals in the country?" If I were King Rick, I would give them a path to permanent residency and maybe even citizenship. It would be predicated on them passing vetting and then, for a good chunk of years TBD: (1) staying off the government dole; (2) paying their taxes; and (3) staying out of legal trouble. In the meantime they would have temporary work authorizations, renewed every one to two years assuming that they continue to meet the conditions noted above. With temporary work authorization comes an assigned SS#, so they can pay taxes, build credit, etc. It's basically what is done now with asylum applicants, minus all the renewal strings I would put on it. They're already working since they literally have to in order to survive. As I mentioned above, illegals don't qualify for government welfare payments. So we might as well ensure that they are all paying into the system like everyone else, especially social security and medicare taxes, which start at dollar 1, lol. THEN we could focus out enforcement efforts on those who choose not to enter this pathway, likely because they would not pass initial vetting, as well as those who fail to meet the conditions required to renew work authorization. I'm talking about hunting the fucks down and getting them out quickly. This would be quite possible once our immigration agents and courts are no longer jammed with cases involving people who are just trying to work and eat.

I post over there under a different handle. The big pro is that the discussions are more focused on club and stripper concepts. The cons, however, are also big. A lot of the topics are 101 type stuff and I feel more constrained because I use the same reddit handle to post in a few other forums. I'll never feel free to have a conversation about bending a stripper over my hotel bed with a bottle of Jack in one hand while I'm smacking her ass with the other, by way of one example. 😉

BTW this whole "breaking the law" drum pounding is exactly the same game play that Dems used in NY to turn speeding ticket violations into felonies and grand frauds in order to attack Trump. It's ironic that some folks here are so simple minded that they would apply the same logic to people that just come here to scrub our toilets so that they can buy food to feed themselves. 🙂 Not all crimes are created equal, lol.

Ok Puddy, so in the meantime you would deport the 12+ million already here and the millions more likely to arrive before we finally get our heads out of our asses, assuming we ever do? That would hasten our productivity declines even faster.

You know, the level of ignorance on this board regarding the importance of strong immigration inflows to the U.S. is truly breathtaking. I'm shocked at how may people I normally agree with on substantive issues who become xenophobic, half-educated semi-literate motherfuckers when it comes to immigration. Like many of you, I too voted for Trump. But i guess unlike some of you, I voted for him despite his views on this, not because of them. We are at a median age of 38.6 and creeping higher every year. When that number goes above 40, as it has in Japan and a number of European countries, economic production stagnates. Japan, the highest at over 48, is already downright fucked and it's only going to get worse for them. Immigration has been one of our greatest strengths, a big reason why we aren't already experiencing similar declines seen by many other developed nations. We - are - just - not - having - enough - kids. We need young people from somewhere and lots of them. And to head off any further stupid dismissive comments about how more people will just go back to work or finding ways to encourage people to have more kids, all such efforts in the other aforementioned countries haven't done shit. Women in most developed nations just don't want to spend large chunks of their adult lives raising children anymore. Seriously now, the sheer level of blind angry ignorance on this issue is monumental. This is not a situation where all opinions are equally valid - it's straight fucking math sprinkled with common sense. Are you really that eager to see American exceptionalism fade away in the next few decades? Then keep rooting for us to choke off our inflows of young immigrants. Dipshits.

@Puddy: I don't disagree with anything you said in that last post. But the point of sharing the experiences I have seen and heard was not to work the bleeding heart angle, but to outline the realities that drive them to come here illegally. The military uses a term called "facts on the ground" to describe their realistic assessment of conditions they see firsthand. The facts on the ground here are that our borders are simply far too broad and porous to prevent a certain inflow of illegal immigrants, who are highly motivated for all of the reasons I discussed. So the only practical way that we can truly gain control of our borders, and weed out the bad apples in the process, is to open up our legal pathways by a heck of a lot. Then we can much better focus our enforcement resources on tracking down the small % of bad apples who try to circumvent that process for various nefarious reasons.

@Ski: That very response shows that you haven't actually talked to them about it, or at least processed their answers. If you had, you'd know how asinine your "get money for free" comment is. Illegal immigrants do not qualify for social welfare benefits, including SNAP or housing assistance. To the extent that they reside in "mixed status" households, meaning that they have eligible U.S. citizen children, they can receive prorated assistance, but it doesn't usually amount to anywhere close to what is needed for the whole household. They come here to work and they take the jobs that others don't want because they have to. But since they come from places where wages are abysmal and food is absurdly expensive on a relative basis, it is still better than what they had. The things that we take for granted, like cheap and abundant food, clean drinking water and hot water for regular showers are not as easily had in many other places. This includes illegal immigrants in MA, which I know from very personal experience in assisting extended family members with these matters.

===> "We can import the workers through H1B visas." Right Gam, because that's been working out swimmingly so far. And we sure as fuck do need the workers, and then some. Just imagine if Trump could actually deport several million illegals, who currently represent 5% of our workforce right now doing things that our kids don't want to do. We'd be screwed.

Like a sugar dating locker room? Not that I know of. But a few guys who post here also post on a sugar dating forum on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/ But it's not really like tuscl, lol.

===> "Sorry that your pro-crime when you benefit and ant-crime when you don't." What "crime" have most of these immigrants committed besides sneaking across the border to scrub other peoples' toilets or do other shitty jobs that most Americans don't want? Btw ski, has it ever occurred to you to ask one of the many clients who you secretly despise what actually drove them to do it? Think about everything they went through just to get here. First they had to risk their safety getting across the border. Then they migrated to places that are bitter cold for people who grew up in sub-tropical climates - their bodies are not accustomed to handling it. All to work dirty jobs while living in crappy apartments and limping day to day without legal status. How desperate does one have to be to do all of that? How bad must things have been where they came from that this ends up being such a better life for them? I know that the stories I have heard included hunger, lack of sanitary drinking water and other horrible conditions. So yes, they violated U.S. immigration laws, which since 1996 has made it virtually impossible for them to get in legally. But how many of us wouldn't do the same in their shoes if we could?

@Muddy, so what are you suggesting, that the Latinos who are pouring into this country are going to start a violent Catholic revolt? 😆 We do need the workers. The UK is fucked up in too many ways to easily list, which is why this nonsense goes on there.

I can't stand flying nowadays and only do it when I need to. I remember the old Midwest Airlines. The entire plane was a first class cabin, with roomy seats, warm chocolate chip cookies and even wine service. I really miss that type of flying experience.

It's just supply and demand dude. There's a lot of new money pouring into Texas. This accelerated during the pandemic and has continued since, for a lot of reasons. More money chasing a limited supply of dancers = higher prices. We're experiencing something similar here in FL. It is what it is. If you can't afford the freight, then find another form of entertainment.

@Puddy: The same reason that Roe vs. Wade was overturned is the same reason that this will survive. Many of the Conservative justices are constitutional constructionists. In this case, the intent of the drafters was clear, as set forth in records of the deliberations. They actually knew that this could entice others to come here and give birth. Back then that was considered a positive outcome given how young the country was and how much more land we had to populate. And there is ample case history as to why illegal immigrants are considered "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." After all, what federal laws are they exempt from? They can be prosecuted for breaking federal law just like anyone else who is here, except for official foreign diplomats and enemy occupiers (which do not have birthright citizenship). I'm guessing that if this goes to SCOTUS, it comes out 7-2 or even 8-1 in favor of voiding this EO. If Trump wants this to end, he'll need to get the ball rolling on a Constitutional Amendment. Good luck with that, lol.

===> "if it reaches SCOTUS, it could get overturned; I would give any semi-reasonable conservative case a fighting chance there." Normally I would agree, but I just don't see SCOTUS overturning this. We're talking about the children of people living and working here, whether the parents are citizens or not. The Founding Fathers made their intent in adopting this provision very clear in their deliberations, which included giving immigrants the opportunity to come here and bear children who would enjoy the privileges of citizenship.

Whatever you say Ski. But I'm not the one who wants to see his clients' asses hauled away and shipped off, separated from family, friends and the lives they've built here over (in some cases) many years. Just sayin. 😉

Also ski, I suspect that you look down on your immigrant clients far more than I do. The mother of my children is an immigrant and I have nothing but respect for everything that many of her family members went through to get here and build a life. You OTOH secretly desire to see 40% of the people you represent detained and hauled out of the country. That's sad.