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17 years ago
Excellent point clubber. I don't recall any very negative bartenders--most were very good------at least to me they were very good or I didn't have a problem with them. And, it saves face for the dancer as well as saving hassle for the customer. I tipped extra for this service when the bartender had a good eye for what I liked.
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17 years ago
Speed [of walking] is limited not by muscle power but by the length of the legs. . . . This is why little children have to break into a run to keep up with their parents, and why people on crutches can walk surprisingly fast--their "legs" extend from their armpits to the ground.
http://web.uvic.ca/wguide/Pages/CitModifyMeaning.html
The quote marks above should alert the reader that the use of the word "legs" is being used in a somewhat nonstandard fashion. In other cases the quote marks may indicate the writer has a concern about the way a word is used. For example, someone opposed to "affirmative" action may place the word "affirmative" or "affirmative action" in quotes to alert the reader that it isn't "affirmative" action according to his moral beliefs and those of like minded individuals. Is the "Patriot" Act, patriotic? Or is it more akin to treason? The Patriot Act is fine with me regardless of what it says----I mean who could be against our elected representatives' enacted laws especially those that are specifically labelled or laced with words like "patriot," "freedom," "affirmative," "rights," "equality," etc. Oppose the Patriot Act and well, then you're an anti-patriot and may be you should be tried for treason of some other government crimes.
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17 years ago
I knew! :) It's funny I thought merely placing "incest" inside quotes would have been sufficient to indicate the definition was being stretched. Miscommunication is very easy over the internet!
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17 years ago
Hi Yoda,
Like I said I was just teasing with you. Sorry if I caused any offense. You told a nice story and I've read your a poster at SW. Just wanted to know if you had any nice stories to share from SW.
Seems like most of the ones shared over here from SW are depressing, which I guess that is fine. I just was hoping you might have some nice stories from SW. :)
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17 years ago
Hi evilcyn,
Wow, that is tough. I certainly would remember to take a NO from you the first time after that.
I was trained to be a pest. :) That means keep trying different angles and hope the person doesn't get pissed. And, some women like guys to be pests. Others will give you both barrels. I feel bad about provoking that reaction. Some women expect you to work and that isn't a problem if they're not getting upset for real. Anyway, I like the woman asking for dances much better. :)
One negative with fuck off strategy that has always concerned me is that I'd rather not make enemies at the club even if I dislike the dancer and she dislikes me. Much better to be on as friendly as terms possible, imo. Especially if you're going there regularly. OTOH, sometimes standing up for yourself even if done aggressively is appreciated.
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17 years ago
I thought it was generally about feeling good. That could mean $$$ or drugs or love or friendship.
The customers, especially the financially successful ones, seem to focus in on $$$. That is understandable because they are generally $$$ driven. Nothing wrong with that, imo. Other people may be looking at things in a whole different matter. Risk your life for the right woman and you will have a friend for life. :) Listen to the right woman tell you about her art work and be genuinely interested in it and don't be surprised if you hit it off very well. :) With Goofball, I was very interested in the things she was doing even though I hate rap music. I was interested because of the way she did things. Very silly and with a certain charm and style. I liked her long drawn out stories because I'm bad about that myself! At least her stories made more sense. :)
Anyway, if a person is thinking $$$ then that is probably what he is going to see in dancers. Even with the $$$ dancers there is a lot more to them then there wanting to earn a good wage and empty your wallet. But, that is probably a minority opinion and it may be wrong for other clubs. Different areas have different cultures as well as different people having different personalities.
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17 years ago
Good advice, but I feel guilty about wasting her time. It is sort of like saying NO to a sales pitch when the person has tried to do a good job and spent time with you and the product isn't too bad. For me saying NO puts me in the wrong frame of mind especially if I could afford a little extra spending.
I have often thought the dancers should be plenty use to rejection, but some still feel it and I feel that hurt. Of course, I should be use to saying NO without feeling bad :( especially after years of strip clubbing. I had thought Shadowcat was sort of tough and then I learn he has a big heart! YIKES!!! So I guess even years of experience doesn't necessarily make a person tough as shoe leather. That is nice. :)
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17 years ago
Fondl,
It is professional to gun a man down in his driveway to steal a Mercedes?
I do see your point. But, these armed gangs generally didn't seem too swift. Just relied on violence. That doesn't sound very professional either, btw.
Of course, I'm sure some had elaborate plans like mission impossible. :) I would definitely think that was the minority.
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17 years ago
That is a nice story Yoda. :)
I'm a little afraid to ask, but do you have any good stories from SW? :) Just teasing. If people post about them fine and if not that is fine also, imo.
There was a Lavine (sp?) from SW. She did a few posts. So, I did get a little of bit of a SW fix. ;) I'm surprised I was able to stay away from SW for so long----perhaps there are enough tid bits posted on TUSCL to help me out.
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17 years ago
Here is another analogy proving that Mercedes Benzes harm a neighborhood. In Coral Gables a man foolishly parked his car in front of his home. No security gates, no cameras, no nothing. I think a street might have been blocked off. So he and his wife had a nice dinner and watched some TV and prepared for bed. I think it was about 11 PM. Far too late to be going outside especially in an expensive area like Coral Gables. Anyway, the husband wanted to retrieve something from his Mercedes. His wife says NO, it is late and it is time for bed and it is dangerous out there! There had been other recent attacks so she was afraid.
Of course, like a good husband he ignored his wife. Hey, gotta give credit where credit is due. :) So he goes out to his Mercedes and meets a hail of gunfire getting killed and more importantly putting his neighbors at risk. I definitely support banning Mercedes and other like magnets of trouble, btw! ;) So the thugs take the dead or dying husband's keys and steal the Mercedes. I think there was a church nearby so ban churches as well-- there is no question they bring undesirables to a neighborhood. No stripclubs nearby so they don't need to get banned! :) Yet. :(
It should be clear that expensive cars draw sick and violent individuals to the neighborhood. Thus, expensive cars need to be banned. Besides it wasn't an environmentally friendly car. Not only was the dead husband putting his neighbors at risk harming his neighborhood HE WAS KILLING THE PLANET!!! Karma strikes again?
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17 years ago
correction: it wasn't bad at all
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17 years ago
That is exactly how I felt parodyman. Unfortunately, neither drugs nor alcohol were involved. I think it just dementia or genetic or worse it was real. :(
Talk about scary. It was scary. About a month later I had what I would describe as a near death experience. If that is how I am going to die, then it was bad at all. There was no pain. It was like I separated from my body. The person with me was screaming for me to wake up. Their fear was depressing. :( It was some type of heart seizure---at least my heart stopped beating. I'm not a doctor so perhaps there was some other problem such as mini stroke. Anyway, definitely not a bad way to die if that is it and it doesn't get worse.
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17 years ago
Hmmm . . . I sounds interesting. Have you tried it?
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17 years ago
"Just for the record, both these clubs are in a very safe and gentrifying neighborhood. Incidents like these are one reason why I understand when some people say strip clubs can harm a neighborhood, because there is some truth to that."
OK, here was the main point of the original post. Stipclubs can harm a neighborhood. As an example some bartender was set on fire in a strip club---proves strip clubs can harm a neighborhood. I pointed that some old man living in a condo hired some thugs to pour sulfuric acid on a middle age man---the man suffered for a month and died. No strip clubs nearby just a bunch condos. Thus, this proves condos can harm a neighborhood!
See the analogy? Stripclub patron set a man on fire. Strips then equal bad! Condo dweller hires thugs to dump sulfuric acid on a man. Condos then equal bad!
Get it parodyman? Is so then we can proceed point by point. :) I enjoy your all of your post btw and wish we had more like you. I don't embarrass easy so don't worry about that. :)
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17 years ago
Hi parodyman,
It won't be the first time. :) Stripclubs are supposedly crime magnets and thus should be abolished. That is the theme. I pointed that isn't really the case. Stripclubs have been almost totally eliminated except for Angels on W. Dixie Hwy. The neighbors should be dancing for joy. Right? The evil stripclubs bringing all bad elements have pretty much been eliminated. That is the argument. Right?
So help get the thread back on target parodyman! :)
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17 years ago
Hi DandyDan,
What you're saying is correct. Some poor criminals can't even afford the transportation to get them a few miles to Coral Gables. After, the armed gangs started hitting Coral Gables very hard security became a new higher top priority. Private guards, security cameras and alarms, more police, blocked roads to prevent free traffic flow, homeowners buying weaponry, etc. I assume that slow the violent crime wave that hit Coral Gables. Most of these criminals involved in these violent attacks where from outside Coral Gables. Gee, I wonder what could have drawn them outside of their neighborhoods? We have already established that criminals don't like wealth. Wealth can't be a crime magnet. Could it? LOL!
Well, actually just because there is crime inside poor neighborhoods doesn't mean wealth isn't a crime magnet. Of course, then there is a counter response to the crime. Has the Gables been successful with its counter response? In a way probably especially if you enjoy living under heavy security, which many people do. But, I don't know because I've lost touch with what is happening in Coral Gables. I know some assholes wanted to turn this area into the New Coral Gables. Fortunately the vast majority of neighbors didn't want any part of that. Coral Gables is wonderful for some people. That doesn't mean you need to export it all over the place like herpes.
Imagine that . . . the dream of exporting the Coral Gables lifestyle failed at least temporarily. I swear I'd rather have 10 crack addicts living nearby than one wealthy asshole. I can already see the wealthy asshole whimpering that the government isn't getting enough money. What is a small amount to him may very well be a lot to the typical wage slave or retired person. We have "Save Our Homes," but it is actually steal our homes as many people are learning too late. :(
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17 years ago
Let's take an extreme example. If households with an annual income under $7,500 experience violent crime at a rate of 10 per 100 and those housholds with annual incomes of over $750,000 experience violent crime at a rate of 1 per 1000, then that proves wealth isn't a crime magnet?
Right?
I mean people see the extreme wealth and think oh no, he is too wealthy to steal from I better find a poor person. Yep, that wealth just turns off criminals. Essentially, that is what you're saying.
I supplied "facts" that if true supposedly prove your point. Right?
The banks have the same problem. A thief or robber comes in and says oh my god. I can't steal from the bank there is too much wealth here! Let me find a little old lady with a small Social Security check. Too prevent this the little old lady needs to carry a couple hundred thousand to ward off criminals. Those criminal just dislike wealth! It is a fact the government says so!
Of course, the reality is a little more complex. :)
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17 years ago
I don't think it is easy to do, but if somehow you could find low income people who didn't have government subsidized housing nearby it would surprise me greatly if their violent property crime rate was anything but very low.
And, in the same general area I would expect the violent property crimes against those with wealth to be much higher than those who just have average wealth or even low wealth!
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17 years ago
Sure post some facts that show wealth isn't a magnet for violent crime. Do you have any facts that show that?
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17 years ago
"Poor people, despite constituting a fraction (less that 10%) of the population are more likely to be victims of crime than the other 90% of the population. That is a fact."
It is? Or is that your interpretation? It seems to me you're confusing wealth with income. Also, do you have any facts showing that people with wealth are suffering less violent property crime? You have the poor--that's one group that could be attracting crime. You have the middle class--that's another group that could be attracting crime. You have the the wealthy--that's another group that could be attracting crime. What is the violent crime difference between the middle class and the wealthy? The same? Less? I say it is more and it is more violent at least here in South Florida.
I don't have family living in the Gables or other nearby areas anymore and I've pretty much stopped reading the local paper the last five years. However, there was a surge of violent home invasion crime directed at those that had wealth. I don't know if that problem has been fixed. I do know that my area which was supposed to be dangerous was nothing compared to what was happening in Gables. A neighbor had a bike stolen from his front yard. In the Gables you had groups of armed men breaking down doors and planning fairly aggressive assaults. It was big news. I also heard different stories about the crime going on over there from my relatives and friends. The poor area D- was much safer. No armed gangs busting in. Maybe a crack addict here or there. No kidnappings over where I live that I'm aware of at least.
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17 years ago
You ignored my point! Wealth is a magnet for crime--not the same as income! Even if the "government dole" people experience crime doesn't mean those displaying wealth aren't also attracting their own crime wave. IOWs it is very possible that crime hits harder at both ends of the wealth scale.
I also previously pointed out government subsidized housing was a crime magnet! Your "facts" would certainly seem to indicate that is the case. So at the very bottom you have crime. Does that mean the wealth in the Coral Gables doesn't attract violent home invasions? :) In simple terms just because people at one end of the income scale are experiencing crime doesn't mean that people at a certain wealth aren't also experiencing their own violent crime "epidemic."
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17 years ago
I also have another point-- Households with annual income under $7,500.
Gee, lordy lordy. That sounds like the slums err projects the government built everywhere in formerly working class areas. Yep, good old wonderful government getting rid of low cost housing that wasn't densely populated at all and replacing with these nasty cramped slums. NO air conditioning. A war zone almost overnight. :) I liked the projects alot. Lots of crime. Violent crime. And, nasty living conditions. Rats, roaches, what a place. Taxpayers paid for that shit too. :)
Yes, subsidized housing beats out wealth as a crime magnet. But, I said that before. It was done all over the country building these "free" instant government slums. Lot o money was made. A lot of violent crime was generated.
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17 years ago
"Persons in households with an annual income under $7,500 were robbed at a significantly higher rate than persons in households earning more."
Gee, that doesn't address what I said at all. A person could be earning $100,000 a year and that wouldn't necessarily act as a crime magnet. The person could live very frugally. So you have hard working folk of middle and high income who aren't suffering home invasions because you don't have the wealth as a magnet for crime. Wealth and income aren't one and the same. In the Gables you have real wealth and people see that and surprise surprise you get violent home invasions to acquire that wealth.
These lavish homes homes with their valuables act as a magnet for violent crime. That doesn't mean low income people in areas with government subsidized housing don't have crime. I doubt they are suffering violent home invasions. That is Coral Gables with its lavish wealth in full display.
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17 years ago
After the government gets done eliminating stripclubs to save neighborhoods the next step should of course be liquor stores and bars. One officer interviewed by The Herald about 10 years ago had a great idea to save neighborhoods and I think it might work. He wanted a 9 PM curfew for everyone except police officers and other necessary workers. Yeah, we'd have more prisoners but what the hell good is a country without plenty of prisoners?
I do have a question, however, if the stripclubs and massage parlors were so damaging, then eliminating the parlors on NW 7th Avenue should have really saved the neighborhood. And, we should all be dancing for the wonderful government and its religious nuts. Along W. Dixie Hwy there is only Angels remaining thanks to heavy government attack. When I was young there was at least 10 stripclubs along W. Dixie Hwy and maybe more. Some were tiny little holes in the wall type places. They even could be located right next to each other! So I guess if the government finally kills off the last stripclub on W. Dixie, then the neighborhood will be saved and all the neighbors can start dancing for joy!
Yes, the government and it supporters always know best. I feel so good I even got my American flag to wave. :)
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17 years ago
Gee, if the government says it must be true and it doesn't even address what you claim. I claimed wealth is a magnet for violent crime. And, I also claimed the government subsidized housing is a crime magnet---hello again, the government subsidized housing is usually for the poor.