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17 years ago
I agree with the don't ask just do approach if you're just going after some touchy feely stuff. If you want extras, many girls won't offer to strangers out of fear of LE or club 'spy types' so you need to tell them what you're interested in. Hey, how surpised will she be when you tell her you want to get off? And you won't be surprised either way if she agrees or not since some will and some won't. You'll only be an asshole if you keep after one who really said no.
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17 years ago
Just got to reading this whole post and I agree with David9999 that ATF's can be more fun than the original scenario above. There will be a lot of different levels of relationship. There's not a hint of 'love' with my ATF. She simply is my type, fun to be with, provides whatever I need etc., so why not have one if you're into that? It can get expensive shopping through dancers to find the combination of looks, mileage and personality (hmmm...personality)so I prefer this arrangement. It also doesn't mean I can't sample others if I want. I did that last week when she was busy and man, the look on her face could kill. Of course that's just because she can see 'her money' floating to the other side of the room but I think it helps keep their attention on your needs.
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17 years ago
Doug: Amen. I'm lucky enough to have to think about way more than spit on the nipple so it's really a concern. But I do the same now, start of shift and keep her busy until I leave. I'm learning how to mark my territory and growl from my dog.
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17 years ago
I think some of this was misinterpreted. My story is ....I pay for a significant number of dances regularly and tip well. Let's say I can only spend an hour or so in the club that day. I don't expect to wait while others cut in. Regulars deserve special treatment or they wouldn't be regulars. I belong to Delta's frequent flyer program and travel every week. So how would it be if they asked me to board last this week to Make 'Joe Onetime' happy? Also, who wants to be the last guy to take them to the VIP, if you get what I mean. I do find all the opinions interesting though. It generates thought on new angles.
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17 years ago
Doug: I'm always amazed how people's stories are the same as what I see. I can really relate to how satisfying it must have been to piss that guy off. If we let that kind of shit go on, we're just doormats. Probably like you, I pay my ATF very well and expect to be number one for that. At this point, I figure we can't always control the feelings we develop but we can try to control behavior. This has been good therapy.
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17 years ago
Special thanks to DougS for solidifying strategy. I put it to the test last Friday, basically demanding exclusive attention while I'm in the club. I think I'm getting hooked on the alpha idea and it's fun to plan and execute. The only problem is I'm focused on the choreography of the whole thing so it might have diluted the pure fun aspect. I think i'm close to finishing up with this ATF though because it is dangerous when you get too close. I think I'll next build on the strategy by shopping girls, unless she offers OTC ...then I'm fucked (both heads!).
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17 years ago
Don't care where it goes, just get that poison out of me!
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17 years ago
Happy birthday! I try to get as much as I can out of what I have to work with. If it's a young Barbie doll beauty, usually have to settle for mostly one way touch. But I prefer getting off in some fashion. Why gas up the car and not drive anywhere?
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17 years ago
I see we have a lot of views on this. For me, my ATF developed into that because she was better at providing the GFE. It's the next step after becoming a regular. First, being a regular has a lot of benefits. Remember the TV show Cheers? Norm would walk into the bar and everyone would yell 'NORM'! Well that's a time saver vs. constantly checking out who is who, deciding what to do with your dollars etc. That has its own novelty but you can do that anytime, even while having an atf. If she provides the experience consistently and there's some kind of click there, she can become an ATF, although I tend to use the term less literally to mee current fav.
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17 years ago
Thanks for the responses. I think I have a plan now. I like the idea of controlling who she's with while I'm in the club. She's usually with me intially at the table fo some conversation, then the vip. But after the VIP, I want to hang in the club a bit and she's off to the next customer. So I may try to swing a reasonable compromise for both of us. Also, control in general seems to be a good tactic. I'll steer everything my way as a sort of 'accomplishment'. I have no issue seeing multiples and like it. The problem is that the ATF pretty much consumes too many dollars already but the return is worth it. It's hard to come up with even more cash for auditions. It takes multiple trips with a dancer to get everyone comfortable enough to be where you want to be. I really have it made for the moment but it may just be inevitable that some atf's cause you to develop some extra attachment based on the amount of time you spend together and some natural attraction that got you to that point.
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17 years ago
Most of the replies cover it, smile, act sultry, eye contact etc. Personally, I don't care about the dancing at all, If anything, it serves as a way to see how she moves. If she's bored, going through the motions etc., no way will I try dances. I'm there strictly for the laps and it's quite a game to try to figure out who is worth it. I get most of the signals from table conversaton though. I've been doing this too long to worry about whether she can pole dance, who cares. Sorry, I know some of you do.
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17 years ago
Here's a different slant on this. I don't really have to 'get over' my ATF because everything is going well ...she gives me all I need and makes me feel special when I'm with her. Now I know that I'm really not special but she does her job very well. The problem is that it bothers me to see her take others into the VIP and I'm not sure why. I don't want to date her, I'm realistic about this relationship etc. I don't feel that way about the other girls in the club. BUT ...back on topic. I may have found the answer to how to get over an ATF and clubbing in general. Just read the PINK site. Holy shit ...a dose of reality in a fantasy world. I saw reference to the site here and read entries for the first time. They hate us! I also want to add that most of the discussion on this forum is very thoughtful and intelligent. I nod and go 'Yep, happened to me'.