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5 years ago
Overcounts do happen. It's up to the PL to tell the dancer how many dances he wants and will pay for. Then no matter how much blood goes south keep your own count. My experiences have been more from bouncers with clipboards overcounting, rather than the dancer. This puts teh dancer and the PL in a bad position when the club expects the dancer to pay her cut of say, 6 songs, when the dancer and PL know it was only 4. There is much less of these in recent years as clubs switch to timed dance booths.
Recently, I generally don't get more than one or two LD's at a time, usually as a test drive before going VIP. But I have seen clubs that have short-timed my VIP sessions, calling to the dancer from outside the booth 5 to 10 minutes early. That truly pisses me off. To help prevent that, I look at my watch when I pay - and I make sure the bouncer/cashier and the dancer see me do it. And I look one more time when she closes the curtian, or whatever starts the official time. Then I don't care anymore because my cock is going in her mouth and that makes me happy.
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5 years ago
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IceyI put your ATF on a winning team
Too much ink for my tastes.
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5 years ago
In my area (Los Angeles) the days where a stripper could buy a BMW and a $150k condo ended in the late 80's. To be sure the top 3-5 dancers at DV North Hollywood were in that class. An average day working 6 hours at the club netted them $800-$1200. Those days are long gone. Most of the strippers I talk to now are lucky if they can make over $400 one day out of 5. (BTW, that $150k condo from the 80;s is worth $475 now).
So no, I don't care what a stripper drives, or where she lives; unless we are negotiating OTC time. I'm not going to be her UBER... unless she's super hot and swallows. :p
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5 years ago
Thanks, Papi.
I have definitely switched up my strategy about tips and getting dances in clubs due to this.
First, I almost always spend the first 10-15 minutes in a new club timing songs. Since I am a musician, I can do this without a watch/phone by counting the number of bars played and doing some math in my head (There you go, flagooner! :p).
Next, I will only buy dances "per song" to do a test drive of a dancer, whether or not I'm looking for extras. I'll invest $20 to find out if I want more, then I buy a timed session. I've had plenty of deeply sensual sessions without extras that were quite memorable. Interesting note, I find that I get offered phone numbers and unsolicited (pun intended) requests to take a dancer OTC more often this way than a more aggressive approach. Sometimes, being a freshly-showered, funny, nice guy who isn't reeking with the stank of desperation wins the day.
Third, I very selectively make tips at the rail - only to get the attention of someone I'm interested in meeting. Note that if there's some PL who's throwing down bills like it's the Amazon rainforest, I won't tip at all.
In summary, I agree that the cure for songs cut short won't likely be complaining to club management. But the whole issue can be sidestepped by only buying timed sessions.
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5 years ago
Thanks for the support, flagooner. It must be amazing for you to see a PL that can count higher than 10 (or 11 if your shorts are around your ankles).
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5 years ago
Because as a very general rule, guys are more visually & aurally (yes that is spelled correctly) stimulated than mentally. If she LOOKS good and is, at a minimum, not bored/repulsed/terrified at the sight of me, I can make it work. Is she acting when she moans softly? As long as her mouth is full when she does it, I don't care.
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5 years ago
Appreciate the feedback and ideas. If not a specific field to fill, perhaps the review guidelines should suggest song length be mentioned within the write up?
And GoVikings, true; I've never posted a review - here. I'm a paid life-time VIP member. But I'm always happy to answer PM's requesting advice. I've been going to San Fernando Valley-based clubs since the 80's and I've travelled all over the US and dozens of other countries visiting clubs and consuming all manner of on- and off-menu services. So, there you go... :)
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5 years ago
Curious. Is it possible they mistakenly though you are LE? I can't really think of any other reason to just leave you on ignore.
As for the dancer who bailed on her drink and on you, that's a serious violation of several Stripper Etiquette rules. If you ever decide to come back - and I'm guessing you wont - you should smile and ask her to sit with you and slowly start talking about dance prices - especially the more expensive VIP's - for as long as you can without actually get a dance or buying a drink. Burn as much of her time as you can without ever spending a dime on her. Then do the same to the other dancer who came over to you to pull the 1st one away. That's just bullshit behavior.
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5 years ago
I have found a way to ask a direct question that conveys my specific interest but allows the dancer to reply without having to quote a quid pro quo answer. I will lean close to her ear and ask something like "How do you feel about BJ's?" If she says anything negative, I can politely disconnect (often she will do this herself). If she says anything positive, I wait for her to explain exactly how she "feels," then we can complete negotiations and if we reach an agreement, off we go.
Of course, this requires that the dancer has enough game to actually sit down next to me (or on me) and have a convo. The "wanna dance" girls will usually get a head shake from me, unless we have prior good experience together.
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5 years ago
I think what I'm trying to say is that I'm not a fan of this club. :)
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5 years ago
1. The only way the strippers here will be your "type" is if you prefer women over 40 (or 50!) with the complexion of Uncle Fester... but not as sexy.
2. Any mileage you think was happening in the VIP comes from strippers who have driven thier bodies way past the factory warranty. It's like getting a toothy, gummy, sweaty lap dance from your (probably dead) grandmother.
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5 years ago
Remember any names?
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5 years ago
She give you a basically free handie and you won't even tip her $20? WTF?
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5 years ago
Total BS IMPLO. Every dancer at CH puts out huge pressure to sell VIP with a promise of UHM. Those PL's who are taken in find out the best they will get is a $500+ HJ or simulated BJ. The only kernel of truth is the slightly higher mix of Asians. But most of them are on the crack-whore/MILFy side.
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5 years ago
So any intel on the dances from the features? Were they priced higher than standard dances? Any indulgences from them on higher mileage? I'll assume they did the usual BS promotional stuff, like selling DVD's & T-shirts for $20-$40, as well as the "take your pic with a porn star - just $50" thing?
For me, getting dances with featured dancers is rarely worth it. The only reason I'll go to a club with a feature is to get dances with the regular girls while the star is on stage. They are usually rather appreciative of that, as feature night typically mean they make less take home pay.
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5 years ago
Maybe the "kicked over" beer was really an improvised attempt to wash away the evidence?
"Clean up on aisle VIP!" :p
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5 years ago
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IceyI put your ATF on a winning team
I know I don't have to say it, but this club ad is so Club Add-ish it might have been placed by a Madison Avenue ad agency.
Pluuuuuuuueeeeeeeezzzee! It's got upscale décor and fairly hot dancers. But the only way to get close to decent dances, let alone extras, is to be willing to spend 4-digit numbers. And no PL should spend a grand + for a HJ - ever.
Bottle service at a strip club? Um... no. Just no.
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5 years ago
Oh my...
1. NEVER USE a credit card at a club. Never. Do no do it. Never. I mean it! I'm super serious. Don't do it. For the love of all that is sacred, no credit cards in a club! As soon as you read this, go check your credit card balance on line and make sure they didn't over charge or double charge you.
2. Never agree to VIP with a dancer you've just met without A. Knowing the "standard prices for dances and VIP's at the club, and B. Negotiating with the dancer first (or at least getting a single standard lap dance as a test drive). If you don't make sure you have agreed on what will happen, you will get just wat you got - fucked in the worst possible way.
3. Even if you have to sit in your car in the club parking lot for 15 minutes, read the reviews here for that club - at least the last 3-6 months reviews. Pro-tip: There may also be some reviews on Y**p. They won't have the delicious details you will find at TUSCL, but you can get some idea of how locals feel about teh club.
4. If you can't do all of these, then just send me $400 a week and I'll use your money so at least one of us get's some proper UHM in a club. :p
5. Congratulations. You just got a Master's Degree in Strip Club. Now go forth and use your knowledge and power for good (mongering).
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5 years ago
"She was initially just looking for a piece of her vape pen in the area where I was, but it turned into a conversation..."
Now that's a new stripper technique I've not seen before. Good on her for being creative and getting you engaged without a hard hustle.
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5 years ago
So $700 for a CBJ? Sadly, that is about standard for SF clubs. Not recommended to visit SF clubs when drunk. You could very easily get a ROB who will promise you a BJ but will only spit on your junk and her hands, then just give you a HJ while covering the action with her long hair.
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5 years ago
Club ad.
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5 years ago
Agree! A good PL should never play Dustin Hoffman!
For $460 ($300 in "rain" + $160 VIP) in Florida you could have taken a 19-24 year old dancer OTC to rock your world in the safety of a hotel room.
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5 years ago
Never use an ATM in a club: Always unreasonably high service fees.
Never use a credit card in a club: They will always add a 10-20% "service fee" and will almost always add on charges for things you didn't order or get. That $150 VIP could cost you over $900!
Never agree to extras without negotiating a price for exactly what you do and do not want: Better to agree how much before with the dancer than to be TOLD after by the dancer AND bouncer (who looks like he could take out Tyson in his sleep).
If your dancer tries to leave the booth during a timed or counted session, make sure you tell her you expect to be off the clock until she gets back, or stand outside of the booth where the bouncer can see you are not getting dances.
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5 years ago
laplurker said it, but it bears repeating, becuase PL's keep doing it.
NEVER USE A CREDIT CARD IN A CLUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Too subtle?)
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5 years ago
Even for Vegas, $68 is insane! You want to get fucked inside the VIP, not before you even walk in the door!
But the schtick in Vegas to charge a different cover to locals and non-locals has been going on for many years and I think it's total BS. I think management is hoping that most non-locals will be "country bumpkins" attending a conference or ditching thier family for thier first time ever out of thier home state. So, they will be willing to pony up "stupid money" just to walk in the door because they just don't know any better. And to be sure, some guys don't know any better and pay it figuring "Well, that's Vegas!" Thank you, TUSCL, for our PL Master's Degrees (MPL?)!
But it's easy to get around this as long as the club isn't scanning ID's at the door. First, take off your conference badge and if you are a booth worker, change out of your company shirt. Next, look up the club on Google maps and pick a name of two or three businesses that are next door or across the street. If there's a casino within a block, that's ideal. Finally, have your taxi or Uber driver drop you off at the nearby business/casino, then just walk over to the club. Congratulations! You are now a "local."